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Any hlep?
Yeah, I was pretty surprised when I discovered that one. I think it was against a Pit, I killed him with u-throw at about 100%.
I've had it combo against heavies at certain moments, though it was only certain moments.
Indeed. It's been reliable so far for me against heavies and some other lighter characters (Ike comes to mind.).
Yep, this is a combo I've been using a lot. I'd like to add that fsmash/ftilt can be substituted with the full side-B combo for some in-yo-face stylin' and like, 3% more damage c:
Bair does not combo into fair. And fair definitely does not combo into either ftilt or fsmash. The only part of that that registers as an actual combo is the throw into the bair. And any single aerial will combo from a downthrow at low to mid percents. They can airdodge, or even worse hit you, when you try to do the fair after the bair. And if they somehow miss their tech if the fair actually hits, they can just shield your fsmash and punish it.
A whole string of that does less damage than a single throw into a single aerial. It's not a good choice when you could just do something else that puts you in a more favorable position afterwards.
That's not true at all. A combo is simply any string of moves where your opponent is unable to act out of. Marth is very combo heavy in Melee. The combo that most people recognize by name is a Marth combo. I don't know where you got the idea that Marth was not a combo character. He was. He's not anymore, and that's not necessarily a bad thing per se, but it does change his gamestyle to a more reactive one.
That does not mean that he wasn't a combo character regardless. Also the dthrow into uair is guaranteed as long as you're quick enough, up until percents at which you really ought to be switching to something else anyways.
Again, means to an end. Also since you pointed out the Ken combo (a rarity in modern high level Melee), I might note that we're talking about the character and game that spawned the twin terms "Marth percent/Marth syndrome". The end goal of his combos is always a tipper fsmash and/or edgeguard situation. If his combos run out then he still seeks to create the same scenario, just less effectively.
Marth is only (somewhat) reactive if you're using his default loadout.
I would say that both characters are reactive by virtue of their moveset, not so much their specials. They can't really combo anymore, but what they are still good at is frame traps, especially in the air. Frame traps are entirely reactive. I am curious about what it is in their custom moves that you feel changes things so much. I've unlocked them all and they don't seem to change their gameplan much at all.
I will say I find dashing assault to be pretty good, especially for recovery and stuffing approaches. But I'd hardly say it totally changes his playstyle. You still essentially play the same spacing and pushing game, just with a different tool. Even still though, I think the default shieldbreaker isn't something to scoff at. It's a very powerful option vs shieldgrabbers or shieldhappy users in general.
down throw > Bair > fair > f-tilt/smash is in fact, a combo. try it.
I've gone into training mode and tried it out at a wide range of percents. Doesn't register as a real combo. They can act out of it.
Assault Dash means the opponent has to respect you even more at midrange, and it's a strong tool against campers. In a game where midrange control tends to be much less pronounced, the ability to exert pressure over both ground and air in the midrange space is pretty significant. Marth's kit already does that reasonably well, particularly in the air, but Assault Dash solidifies his control of the midrange ground game.
