Controling the 9?

[M3tr01D]

Well, I figure if this was known it would be posted as a sticky, but considering all the wierd stuff in this game figured I'd ask.

I'm planning on possibly using G&W as a alt for two upcoming tourneys and wanted to know if there is any way to control his judgement hammer 9 hit, or if it is just completely random?

 

[mog87]

you have to believe in the heart of the cards.

 

[Cuno56]

^ wow. Best response ever.

Unless I'm mistaken, it's like Luigi's misfire, no way to control it.

But that's coming from a Marth/Samus player, so...take it as you will.

 

[LessThanThree]

some guy said he could control the nine, but said he never does so no one can watch his hands and see how he does it, *cough cough* BS *cough cough*, it's random, or at least as random as a misfire or turnip pulls, which are all ran through algorithms that simulate randomness

 

[Sighrax]

Judgment can not have the same number twice in a row

Judgment can not start off with a 1

To "clear" Judgment you must do 2 of them after a 9 hammer to be able to get another.

That's all I know

 

[iankobe]

I don't know if this is true or not, but do try this.

The longer the game it is, the more likely you can pull off judgement. This means you have to battle around 2-3 stalks to pull out judgement in the first try. I don't know why, but this happens to me MOST of the time. So try it. It's really weird that how if you play in a match longer without using it, the more likely you can pull it off later.

This could be totally BS, BUT it happened to me a lot of times.

Hope that helped and good luck.

 

[Ryuker Reo]

mog87, thanks for the laughs. XD

Anyways, I think it's random. Not sure though.

 

[Dark Iori Yagami]

Ha i would have to secound this comment to be the best answer ever anyway i love low tiers and there powers i have been tring to master him now for a while but the nine is a hard to come by move

ps you have to believe in the heart of the cards.

 

[Aiko]

I'm sure you CAN have the same number after one. I've had three 9's in a row before, and this was recent (couple of days ago)

 

[dguy6789]

A friend of mine mains as GW and he gets 9s a ridiculous amount of times.

He claims there is a sort of feel as to when he knows he is going to get it or not. I don't really believe that, but he also happens to predict them very accurately. In the middle of a match, he will be like: "I think it is time for a 9..." and then his next move is a 9. He is not always right when he says this, but he is right much more than he is wrong. He will often get a 9 more than five times in a match. He never says he will get a 9 every single time. He uses the judgement hammer without getting a nine without saying he will get it plenty of times. But when he says he knows he will get it, he gets it most of the time. So maybe there is some sort of pattern, or rule, or something that has to do with it that has just not been fully figured out yet.

 

[M3tr01D]

just watched an awesome dav3 vs dire vid and dire got the 9 twice for the kill, was awesome

 

[Ryan-K]

in order to control the nine you have to change your name to direvulcan and uthrow a falco

 

[Aaron_Sketch]

I'm pretty sure that it's random...

 

[wuthefwasthat]

lol at superrvan

u know, i bet the programmers threw in some quirk about the 9

so they left it for us to figure it out

and when we do... G&W goes UP! in the tier lists!

yay! lol...

 

[Dark Iori Yagami]

A friend of mine mains as GW and he gets 9s a ridiculous amount of times.

He claims there is a sort of feel as to when he knows he is going to get it or not. I don't really believe that, but he also happens to predict them very accurately. In the middle of a match, he will be like: "I think it is time for a 9..." and then his next move is a 9. He is not always right when he says this, but he is right much more than he is wrong. He will often get a 9 more than five times in a match. He never says he will get a 9 every single time. He uses the judgement hammer without getting a nine without saying he will get it plenty of times. But when he says he knows he will get it, he gets it most of the time. So maybe there is some sort of pattern, or rule, or something that has to do with it that has just not been fully figured out yet.

Hes method is the bst if you ask me, so from now on ill call the ill get a nine technique.

ps it is called a frind of mine technique

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

Also, the 9's reset after you die. So if you throw a 9, then die, you can get 2 consecutive 9's. This has happened to me many times in actual matches on tape. Clearing the hammer works because you can't have 2 9's in a row, or with only one other hammer in between without dying.

 

[wuthefwasthat]

since someone is saying he got 3 9's in a row (and im pretty sure ive gotten 2 or 3 too) .... this might be specific to diff versions of the game

 

[Aaron_Sketch]

Well, with G&W's hammer, each random number is different and distinct. Luigi's Misfire, for example, could come up once every ten tries, even though it is a one in eight chance. But with G&W, since the same number cannot come up twice in a row, this means that if G&W tried the hammer 9 times, he should get the 9 at least once. Clarify if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's how it is.

So the ore you use the hammer, the more likely you have a chance of hitting em far.

 

[Needle of Juntah]

there is no known way that i know of anyways to "control" the 9
and yes i have gotten 2 of them in a row before. my definition of in a row is, if i use hammer 2 times in a match, and their both 9's i got two 9's in a row. my GW has been on a small comeback latley, maybe i can get a vid soon

 

[Needle of Juntah]

um and yes u can get 2 '9' hammers in 3 swings. do some of you people even play GW? lol

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

i play falco and i did a little test with G+W one day when i got bored. i did judgement hammer 100 times and tallied them.

1- 11
2- 13
3- 8
4- 11
5- 12
6- 12
7- 9
8- 12
9- 12


so it looks pretty even for most of them so at leas you don't have a lesser chance of hitting the 9 instead of the others (like with pullinf stitchfaces) anyways, hope that helped in some way : \

 

[M3tr01D]

thanks guitarist, that helps. it's a lot more random then I thought it would be

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

glad it helped.

 

[Needle of Juntah]

heh id say thats cool, if u could use over B 100 times ina match, u should try somthing like......
Doing a hammer 5 times in a match, for 100 matches and tally what hammers u get.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

As far as i know, it's completely random.

 

[shadydentist]

To Aaron Sketch: you're wrong. If you use the hammer 9 times in a row, theres no guarantee that you're going to get a nine at least once. On average, you will get a 9 once every 9 hammers.

The way it works is that its a psuedorandom number generator. You can get any number except the one that you just had. So... if you just pulled a nine, the next number could be anything from one to 8. Therefore, for each individual swing there is not a 1/9 chance of getting each number, but on average you have a 1/9 chance of pulling any number.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

To Aaron Sketch: you're wrong. If you use the hammer 9 times in a row, theres no guarantee that you're going to get a nine at least once. On average, you will get a 9 once every 9 hammers.

The way it works is that its a psuedorandom number generator. You can get any number except the one that you just had. So... if you just pulled a nine, the next number could be anything from one to 8. Therefore, for each individual swing there is not a 1/9 chance of getting each number, but on average you have a 1/9 chance of pulling any number.

Thanks for explaining that in a very mathematical manner!

 

[NewGuy24]

We got a kid in school saying stupid facts that no one cares about, but I think one of the things he said could possibly be true. He says that in a stock match there is a clock running during the match that starts at zero, when G&W does his hammer and the clock running is at XX.9X seconds G&W will get a 9. This could be true, could not be true, but it sounds logical.

 

[Shiri]

We can all safely assume that Judgement runs on an RNG (random number generator).

Having the move run on a clock would be absolutely positively broken without a doubt. No sane game developer (even with the premise of this being a party game) would do something so lackluster. Not to be a meanie, but that would be a terrible thing to do. Anyway...

As with all RNGs, they can be manipulated to some degree. Since the generator is not totally random, but is simply an algorithm, it can be manipulated in some fashion. Not as easy as it sounds (especially since you need to have some idea of how that particular generator works--not all RNGs are made equally) and it doesn't always render your desired results, but you can mess with any RNG in the game that you would like. From more misfires, to better turnip pulls, to pulling out 9s more often (not all the time), one can give off the illusion of controlling the probability of a move, when in fact they are (deliberately or otherwise) manipulating the RNG.

 

[Wilhelmsan]

can AR tell us more?

 

[Brawlmatt202]

We got a kid in school saying stupid facts that no one cares about, but I think one of the things he said could possibly be true. He says that in a stock match there is a clock running during the match that starts at zero, when G&W does his hammer and the clock running is at XX.9X seconds G&W will get a 9. This could be true, could not be true, but it sounds logical.

Someone will have to test that.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

apparently gimpyfish gets a 9 every time, you should ask him.

 

[pdk]

apparently gimpyfish wishes he was bob dole with his constant talking in the third person

 

[Brawlmatt202]

apparently gimpyfish wishes he was bob dole with his constant talking in the third person

LOL! Bobdole.

 

[Dark Iori Yagami]

Quote:
Originally Posted by NewGuy24
We got a kid in school saying stupid facts that no one cares about, but I think one of the things he said could possibly be true. He says that in a stock match there is a clock running during the match that starts at zero, when G&W does his hammer and the clock running is at XX.9X seconds G&W will get a 9. This could be true, could not be true, but it sounds logical.

Someone will have to test that.

Wow that kid at school is very random maybe you can get a nine almost every time. Hay though your school to be pretty boring for you to talk about smash and random facts. I'm just saying hahahahah

ps haunter laughs

 

[justice]

you have to believe in the heart of the cards.

Best thing you can do. lol

 

[Dark Iori Yagami]

hahahah not much of a stragety but i agree

ps lol lol

 

[Tipo mastr]

Quote:
Originally Posted by NewGuy24
We got a kid in school saying stupid facts that no one cares about, but I think one of the things he said could possibly be true. He says that in a stock match there is a clock running during the match that starts at zero, when G&W does his hammer and the clock running is at XX.9X seconds G&W will get a 9. This could be true, could not be true, but it sounds logical.

Someone will have to test that.

Wow that kid at school is very random maybe you can get a nine almost every time. Hay though your school to be pretty boring for you to talk about smash and random facts. I'm just saying hahahahah

ps haunter laughs

wrong. In home run contest for game and watch, it ends with a 9 hammer at the last second. And there's no way i'm that close to the time to be able to pull that off. It's also wrong because the first time you do it it doesnt do a 1 or a 2. It would really mess up the timer.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

Best thing you can do. lol

Millenium items!

 

[thatsmybutta]

totally impossible to control the nine but dire's g&w seems to get 9 hammers whenever the **** he wants.