Data Extending our dthrow combos, using platforms! (Project) Added Falcon, Ness, and Miis

[CHOMPY]

Hi everyone, I am currently labbing on some combos that can really help us increase your combo games, as well as some new mixups.

Intro: You know how when you see ZSS players use the dthrow > uair > uair > uair > uair > up B. That's because the platforms can help characters like ZSS to really extend their combos to their fullest potential. On saturday, I fought KiraFlax and he had a really cool combo he did on me where he did a dthrow > nair > usmash. What he did was he dthrow me on the floor, full hop nair to get onto the taxi platform, and usmash. A few days later, I labbed out some of the combos and I discovered different mixups you can do against different players/characters, which I'll share below.

Without further a do, here it is

On platforms like Smashville, you can do a dthrow > fair > ftilt/regrab/usmash on a lot of the characters, but it only works on certain percentages, and if they don't mix up the DI properly. This also applies on tri-platform stages, such as battlefield and Dream Land. However the platforms are smaller, and you need to be precise on your movement on what will work in that situation. On tri-platform stages, its easier to extend your combos on the lower platforms.

Here's what I've tested so far.

Legend:

Ground Floor: Grab the character on the floor
Mid Platform: Start the combo when you grab the character on the mid platform facing the upper platform.
Taxi Platforms: Stages that have moving platforms, such as Smashville and Town City .


Stage: Battlefield


0-45%- dthrow > nair > usmash (mid platform)
0-30% dthrow - fair - regrab (as long as your not right under the platform) (mid platform)
0-29% dthrow - fair - ftilt (works on lower platform if your not right under it) (mid platform)
30%-35% dthrow - nair - dash attack (check this one?) (mid platform)



0-25% dthrow - fair - regrab (as long as your not right under the platform)
0-29% dthrow - fair - ftilt (works on lower platform if your not right under it)
30%-35% dthrow - nair - dash attack (check this one?)
0-30% dthrow - nair - usmash (works when your grabbing him on the lower side platforms)


0-25% dthrow - fair - regrab (as long as your not right under the platform)
0-29% dthrow - fair - ftilt (works on lower platform if your not right under it)
30%-35% dthrow - nair - dash attack (check this one?)
0-30% dthrow - nair - usmash (works when your grabbing him on the lower side platforms)


0-20% dthrow - nair - usmash (mid platform)
0-30% dthrow - fair - dtilt (midplatform)
0-25% dthrow - fair - regrab (mid platform)
0-25% dthrow - fair - ftilt (mid platform)


0-15% dthrow - nair - usmash
0-27% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-25% dthrow - fair - jab??? (needs further testing...)
0-30% dthrow - fair - ftilt

(They are all going to be default height and weight)
0-35% dthrow - fair - ftilt
0-30% dthrow - fair - dtilt
0-30% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-20% dthrow - nair - usmash
0-15% dthrow - fair - jab

Stage: Dream Land


0-45%- dthrow - nair - usmash (mid platform)
0-30% dthrow - fair - regrab (as long as your not right under the platform) (mid platform)
0-29% dthrow - fair - ftilt (works on lower platform if your not right under it) (mid platform)
30%-35% dthrow - nair - dash attack (check this one?) (mid platform)



0-25% dthrow - fair - regrab (as long as your not right under the platform)
0-29% dthrow - fair - ftilt (works on lower platform if your not right under it)
30%-35% dthrow - nair - dash attack (check this one?)
0-30% dthrow - nair - usmash (works when your grabbing him on the lower side platforms)


0-25% dthrow - fair - regrab (as long as your not right under the platform)
0-29% dthrow - fair - ftilt (works on lower platform if your not right under it)
30%-35% dthrow - nair - dash attack (check this one?)
0-30% dthrow - nair - usmash (works when your grabbing him on the lower side platforms)


0-20% dthrow - nair - usmash (mid platform)
0-30% dthrow - fair - dtilt
0-25% dthrow - fair - regrab (mid platform)
0-25% dthrow - fair - ftilt (mid platform)


0-15% dthrow - nair - usmash
0-27% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-25% dthrow - fair - jab??? (needs further testing...)
0-30% dthrow - fair - ftilt


0-35% dthrow - fair - ftilt
0-30% dthrow - fair - dtilt
0-30% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-20% dthrow - nair - usmash
0-15% dthrow - fair - jab

Stage: Smashvile


0-45%- dthrow - nair - usmash
0-30% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-29% dthrow - fair - ftilt
30%-35% dthrow - nair - dash attack (check this one?)



0-25% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-29% dthrow - fair - ftilt
30%-35% dthrow - nair - dash attack (check this one?)
0-30% dthrow - nair - usmash



0-26% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-29% dthrow - fair - ftilt
30%-35% dthrow - nair - dash attack (check this one?)
0-30% dthrow - nair - usmash


0-45% dthrow - nair - usmash
0-45% dthrow - fair - ftilt
0-35% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-30% dthrow - fair - dtilt


0-26% dthrow - nair - usmash
0-25% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-25% dthrow - fair - jab??? (needs further testing...)
0-30% dthrow - fair - ftilt


0-35% dthrow - fair - ftilt
0-30% dthrow - fair - dtilt
0-30% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-20% dthrow - nair - usmash
0-30% dthrow - fair - jab

Stage: Lylat Cruise


0-5% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-29% dthrow - fair - ftilt
0-20% dthrow - fair - dtilt


0-5% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-29% dthrow - fair - ftilt
0-15% dthrow - fair - dtilt



0-5% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-15% dthrow - fair - ftilt
0-15% dthrow - fair - jab??? (needs further testing...)
0-15% dthrow - fair - dtilt


0-35% dthrow - fair - ftilt
0-5% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-25% dthrow - fair - dtilt


0-15% dthrow - fair - jab
0-25% dthrow - fair - ftilt (requires buffering)


0-15% dthrow - fair - ftilt
0-15% dthrow - fair - dtilt
0-5% dthrow - fair - regrab
0-15% dthrow - fair - jab


Note:

• When the stage is tilting, I would not recommend doing the extended platform combos above as it can mess up your spacing.
• Nair will not work on this stage as you will be out of work, thanks to the short platforms

Stage: Town and City

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Characters you can't extend your combos on a platform



Note: I really need volunteers to test the combos to see if they are confirmed.

 

[LancerStaff]

I'll help when I can... Been swamped lately.

Tagging @Xacer so he sees this.

Though really, seems pretty obvious in hindsight. We should be trying to combo into Nair whenever we can get an AC close to the ground for long combos such as this. I'm thinking there's a lot of potential for extending footstool/dair combos via platforms as well.

 

[CHOMPY]

Just added

 

[AintFalco]

Haven't done too much testing, but dthrow -> nair -> fair or uair works on middleweights pretty easily from 0-25 or 30%

 

[CHOMPY]

Can you be more specific as to what characters and stages your referring to?

A AintFalco

 

[AintFalco]

It works on all of the battlefield and dreamland platforms, so it works if you dthrow onstage to the side platforms and if you dthrow on side platforms to the top platform. The whole combo itself does 21%
I don't have a wiiu (only 3ds) but im pretty sure it would work on smashville platform too.
I find it a bit better than the nair-> usmash because it works until higher percents and it cant be escaped even with DI at the lower percentages.
I tested it on Ness and with no DI, its a true combo from 0-25%.
On lightweights (Jiggs) it actually isnt a true combo even at 0%, but the timing to escape it with an airdodge is pretty small
On fastfallers (fox) it works from 0-27%
on big characters (DK) it works from 0-49%
At higher percents it might not be possible to land the full fair, and you'll only get the last hit.

 

[CHOMPY]

A AintFalco

For the floaties, can you test out

and i'll test out

 

[AintFalco]

With no DI on Battlefield:
: 0-18%
: 0-19%
: 0-25%
: 0-37%

 

[CHOMPY]

With what combos specifically?

Have you tested out

Dthrow > nair > usmash

Dthrow > fair > jab

Dthrow > fair > dtilt

Dthrow > fair > ftilt

Dthrow > fair > regrab

 

[AintFalco]

I only tested out dthrow-> nair -> fair

 

[Overlord Axel (Pit Main)]

Final Destination, Omega:
Dthrow > fair > regrab 0-22%
Dthrow > footstool > dair lock > 0-15%
Dthrow > Uair 20-80%
Dthrow > fair > ftilt 0-5%
Dthrow > fair > utilt > uair 0%