DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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One of the most common johns I see (and I'm guilty too) from IC's players goes as following: "I dropped my cgs so I lost." At the same time, the advice on how to chaingrab with more consistency has been "practice more" since 2008. This thread is designed to be a swallowing of our pride as IC mains and admitting the truth:
Chaingrabbing is hard stuff.
If it were easy, probably everyone would do it. Specifically, it requires accuracy to within 1/30th of a second, repeatedly. And often times, the difference in timing between succeeding and failing is 1/60th of a second, so this level of subtlety in my mind means that
Muscle Memory alone isn't going to cut it.
At the same time, people often use visual cues in order to help guide their CG timings. However, since HDTV causes lag time, if a player is forced to play on an HDTV (cough MLG cough) their visual cues would then again mean nothing.
This guide is designed to add a third dimension of stimulus. Auditory learning, I believe will help CG consistency. Use it to practice for sure. And if you're tourney doesn't have rules against wearing earphones, use it in tourney too.
General Helpful CG Tips
The Visual Guide
I'm going to go into a frame picture breakdown for each character and show: 6 Frames before the Throw Hitbox is out, and the 4 frames immediately following the throw hitbox. This will show a picture that should be the visual cues of both when to input grab for Popo, and how the spacing of the grab works. At some point, I will include a Nana version that's 5 frames earlier for the grab input for her. And eventually I'll use the hitbox texture so you can see how the CG spacing compares visually from character to charcter. And in the more distant future, combine that info with hurtbox textures if they figure those out.
The Sound Guide
Please make specific requests for sound files in replies to the thread
How to interpret the sounds: The lowpitch sounds are a signal to input DI. The DI will both initiate a throw as well as move character in the proper direction. The high pitch sound is the grab button.
Alternating Grabs
Reserved for links to sound for the entire cast.
The Fthrow > Fthrow String (Non-Buffered)
:random: http://www.mediafire.com/?l4c3zugo84bxp
Edit 1- 3:45pm 11/4/10 - FthrowFthrow string uploaded. Intro added.
Edit 2 - 2:45pm 11/12/10 - Added "tips" section
Edit 3 - 8:00pm 11/14/10 - Added more tips and added a MK frame map
Edit 4 - 2:00am 11/17/10 - Post 2 Ideal frame testing dthrow addition
Edit 5 - 7:10pm 12/12/10 - Posted new version of sound file
Chaingrabbing is hard stuff.
If it were easy, probably everyone would do it. Specifically, it requires accuracy to within 1/30th of a second, repeatedly. And often times, the difference in timing between succeeding and failing is 1/60th of a second, so this level of subtlety in my mind means that
Muscle Memory alone isn't going to cut it.
At the same time, people often use visual cues in order to help guide their CG timings. However, since HDTV causes lag time, if a player is forced to play on an HDTV (cough MLG cough) their visual cues would then again mean nothing.
This guide is designed to add a third dimension of stimulus. Auditory learning, I believe will help CG consistency. Use it to practice for sure. And if you're tourney doesn't have rules against wearing earphones, use it in tourney too.
General Helpful CG Tips
The Visual Guide
I'm going to go into a frame picture breakdown for each character and show: 6 Frames before the Throw Hitbox is out, and the 4 frames immediately following the throw hitbox. This will show a picture that should be the visual cues of both when to input grab for Popo, and how the spacing of the grab works. At some point, I will include a Nana version that's 5 frames earlier for the grab input for her. And eventually I'll use the hitbox texture so you can see how the CG spacing compares visually from character to charcter. And in the more distant future, combine that info with hurtbox textures if they figure those out.
The Sound Guide
Please make specific requests for sound files in replies to the thread
How to interpret the sounds: The lowpitch sounds are a signal to input DI. The DI will both initiate a throw as well as move character in the proper direction. The high pitch sound is the grab button.
Alternating Grabs
Reserved for links to sound for the entire cast.
The Fthrow > Fthrow String (Non-Buffered)
:random: http://www.mediafire.com/?l4c3zugo84bxp
This is the original test file made for a nonbuffered walking fthrow cg string. I've personally tested and was able to CG all 3 of the variations of PT across FD with my eyes closed using only the sound cues.
Advantages to learning the Fthrow string: Obviously there are going to be days when you just can't CG with traditional alternating grabs. Since the fthrow frame data for every character is the same for the fthrow, then in theory on a frame perfect level, the frame data on the fthrow string CG should be the same as well. This make it an ideal back up CG to have in your pocket. Also, it's tripless.
Disadvantage: Spacing issues.
Credit: EA actually made the sound file for this one
Advantages to learning the Fthrow string: Obviously there are going to be days when you just can't CG with traditional alternating grabs. Since the fthrow frame data for every character is the same for the fthrow, then in theory on a frame perfect level, the frame data on the fthrow string CG should be the same as well. This make it an ideal back up CG to have in your pocket. Also, it's tripless.
Disadvantage: Spacing issues.
Credit: EA actually made the sound file for this one
Edit 1- 3:45pm 11/4/10 - FthrowFthrow string uploaded. Intro added.
Edit 2 - 2:45pm 11/12/10 - Added "tips" section
Edit 3 - 8:00pm 11/14/10 - Added more tips and added a MK frame map
Edit 4 - 2:00am 11/17/10 - Post 2 Ideal frame testing dthrow addition
Edit 5 - 7:10pm 12/12/10 - Posted new version of sound file
