GaW completely counters Ganon...

[victra♥]

I don't know about you guys but Ganon gets ***** by GaW.

I was at this SeattleSmash tourney awhile ago and someone counterpicked Ganon and
Mute City against my GaW. Of course, i was like OH SHI- but i ended 3 stocked the guy by
countering all his moves with basically just utilt and dtilt. And Fair of course.

whats do you guys think?

 

[thebluedeath1000]

You sir, fought someone who was very bad.

 

[ArcNatural]

Ganon's fair, bair > G&W shield.

 

[Shiri]

I can see Kirby countering Ganondorf, but not G Dub.

He does give Ganondorf what for off the edge, though. ^_^

 

[alphameric]

you can sffl fair ganon across almost every stage.
basically ganon gets comboed to **** by gaw, but gaw gets ***** by a couple hits.

stomp = death most of the time

 

[Speedsk8er]

Kinda irrelevant but can't Gaw crouch under Ganon's wizards foot?

 

[Winston]

Yeah, G&W seems amazing against ganon until you get hit. Then it's GG. (check out chu vs ken in MLG dallas finals)

 

[technomancer]

Try absorbing that stomp thing with the bucket

it's amazing

 

[Endless Nightmares]

I use G&W to counter Ganon. I can't remember the last time I lost to a Ganon with G&W...like 8 months ago lol. And I suicided twice in that match. I absolutely LOVE playing against Ganon with G&W. It's too easy. I guess it helps that I also play Ganon.

I agree that G&W counters Ganon.

Ganon's fair, bair > G&W shield.

Don't shield that ****, get the hell out of the way! >__> Or use one of your disjointed moves to stop him in his nondisjointed tracks. Also, wavedash works wonders.

you can sffl fair ganon across almost every stage.

Among other things...I find Ganon to be the easiest character to combo, along with spacies, Bowser, DK, Roy, Link, Sheik...G&W's got some pretty sick combos on Ganon.

basically ganon gets comboed to **** by gaw, but gaw gets ***** by a couple hits.

DI, son. DI.

stomp = death most of the time

I rarely get stomped but as a last resort, jump right before you get stomped. You won't go anywhere. Watch out for Ganon's follow-up attack though.

 

[Jujumasta]

I rarely get stomped but as a last resort, jump right before you get stomped. You won't go anywhere. Watch out for Ganon's follow-up attack though.

I like that, good tip

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Yeah, it's saved me many times. It would be even more 1337 if you teched the stomp after jumping. But I don't think anyone has that kind of reaction time. I just think "Oh crap, stomp!" and I hit X if it's my last option.

 

[alphameric]

Kinda irrelevant but can't Gaw crouch under Ganon's wizards foot?

no, you can crouch under the first kick of the dsmash though

 

[Needle of Juntah]

yeah gannon rox the **** out of GW, no sheild = loss. Its possible of course. but yeah you probably played a nooblar

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

Try playing against a Gannon that knows his end of the matchup.. Or how to counterpick stages, for that matter. Why would he bring you to Mute City, when that means you'll survive another hit? If he brought you to Yoshi Story or Battlefield, it'd be a bit different. Basically, if Ganon has to hit you more than 3 times to kill you on a smaller stage, he's doing something wrong... What does that mean for you? Don't get hit, of course... ^_^

 

[Endless Nightmares]

yeah gannon rox the **** out of GW, no sheild = loss.

Light shield = win. Learn it, perfect it, use it religiously.

 

[Lid]

cake time.

 

[victra♥]

i always thought it was a director's clapboard.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Yeah, me too. I usually call it a box though lol

 

[Umpy]

Yeah, me too. I usually call it a box though lol

i like to call it the credit card cuz when you hit somebody off the edge you can be like

YOU WERE JUST CREDIT CARDED *****!!!!

and i also call the pan the sac tap machine. but thats the another story.


back on topic.

i think personaly ganon is a pretty easy match. like 56K said wavedashing works wonders.

 

[Gea]

I can see it going both ways. With perfect spacing you can theorhetically keep Ganon at bay the entire match, but with GW being ridiculously easy to tech-chase and so light I bet Ganon could takes a stock once GW is knocked down.

What's with the bucket teh stomp stuffs?

 

[Tundravalco]

you must be playing terrible ganons.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Yeah I play a terrible Ganon, I suck at him so I use G&W instead :3

 

[Lid]

GaW is much more satisfying to kill with than ganon though.

 

[$PITE]

A good Ganon will beat a good G&W. Comboing is a two way street, and it's very easy to die against his powerful attacks.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Every character easily dies against Ganon's powerful attacks. We get it already, Ganon's strong. Doesn't guarantee he's going to beat a G&W, especially someone who's really good at him.

 

[Jem.]

Didn't you lose to Emo$ at Tourneyplay July 21st? I know he beat a GAW, and would probably disprove your theory.

 

[mood4food77]

ganon has the advantage

if the ganon knows the match-up, ganon *****

 

[victra♥]

yeah Jeremy. Your right. Emo$'s Ganon devoured my GaW. : (

Oh well.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Noooooo....one set doesn't change anything >_>

and even in high tier vs low tier matchups, tho high tiers have more options and stronger moves, it comes down to who plays their character the best in the matchup who wins.

I play against Ganon a TON with G&W, which is probably why I never have any trouble in the matchup.

 

[REDRAGON]

ganon has the advantage

if the ganon knows the match-up, ganon *****

mood4food has spoken...

 

[Galt]

If Ganon plays defensively, he can retreat with f-airs and all G&W can hope for is to trade f-airs at best. Which, of course, is a losing match.

 

[Wilhelmsan]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Ganon's Dtilt will knock G&W out of Fair, right?

 

[Metà]

A good Ganon will beat a good G&W. Comboing is a two way street, and it's very easy to die against his powerful attacks.

Believe it. Spite is the best G&W I've ever played against (nothing personal, 56k) and he plays against one of the best Ganons in Canada (Noobking). He probably knows this match-up better than anyone else in this thread. I could add some reasons for why this is so, but they've already been stated. Ganon beats G&W. GG

 

[MarsFool!]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Ganon's Dtilt will knock G&W out of Fair, right?

Yup. Almost every time.

 

[Winston]

Every character easily dies against Ganon's powerful attacks. We get it already, Ganon's strong. Doesn't guarantee he's going to beat a G&W, especially someone who's really good at him.

Don't generalize like that so much. It does make a difference to be G&W than, say, Marth, in regards to Ganon's powerful attacks. Marth will die at about 90-100% assuming he has decent DI, whereas G&W might die at 60-80%.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

That's exactly why I picked up Samus >__>

 

[Star105]

Try absorbing that stomp thing with the bucket

it's amazing

wait what?? i really don't think thats possible................................ then again what do i know?

 

[thebluedeath1000]

Its not, technomancer just wants you to get hit.

 

[Winston]

Lol technomancer mindgames -__-

 

[Oskurito]

wait what?? i really don't think thats possible................................ then again what do i know?

MIndgamed...



Ganon>G&W for obvious reasons...