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Ness/GaW Flash absorb

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I was wondering that say you were GaW and a teammate of yours id ness, if friendly fire is on is it possible to absorb 3 full flashes and kill your opponent(s) with it? I don't have my brother around to test it, so can someone try and see if it works?
 

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Yes it is possible. Is it practical? No.

Other things related to this that i've tested before:

1. Powershield a bucket of 3 fully charged pk flashes, and GW will fly across the screen killing everything in his path, while your shield breaks. Also works with 3 fully charged Samus or Mewtwo neutral b's, or a mix of any of the 3...
2. A full bucket will not heal Ness, and can't be bucketed by another GW.
 

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It's nearly impossible to catch 3 fully charged PK Flashes in a teams match.

On a side note, I'm going to see if Fox/Falco/Zelda can reflect the bucket.
 

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It's nearly impossible to catch 3 fully charged PK Flashes in a teams match.

On a side note, I'm going to see if Fox/Falco/Zelda can reflect the bucket.
Nearly impossible as in not practical. It's possible if your opponents are bad enough.

I know Zelda can't reflect the bucket.
 

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How fast does GaW fly off if ness's shield breaks? Can falco shine as GaW flies towards him and get credit for the kill?
 

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At what percentage will three fox lasers kill the average weight.

And what about falco lasers
 

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At what percentage will three fox lasers kill the average weight.

And what about falco lasers
Not sure exactly, but low enough where it's not worth the trouble, because any other move he has will kill the average opponent much sooner.
 

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Nothing to do with this thread but hey guess what Rapid, i made an RI thread, so post in it so we have activity now! :)
 

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im gonna try this thing out somehow i need to see what it's like before i ask more questions.
 

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Here is something practical I'm thinking about doing:

If you have Samus as a teammate and absorb 1 fully charged blast and 2 weak ones,

any character(s) you hit(at barely above 0 percent) will die.
 

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It's not as practical as it might sound, because you need enough time to catch 3 blasts (at least one of which fully charged), and Samus can often use that extra charge herself to kill someone with.. However, if you get a lot of spare time because your opponents have terrible reaction times, feel free to do it because it'd be really funny to pull off..
 

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me and a buddy do the samus/g&w team pretty well.
i've got bucket timing and spacing pretty well down, and he knows exactly when to shoot it.

very few things are as satisfactory as catching a full shot when off the stage, and after it has traveled under the enemies avoiding it
 

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3 Doc pills = 30+ damage.

This is good since most docs tend to pill spam, but the trajectory of pills might catch you out and the bucket has so much lag.

If only it could be JC'd like shines.:(

Mario's B move also gives 30+ damage if bucketed...the trajectory isn't so wild. and its way faster if its gonna be used in Teams.
 

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A few airs is faster damage then doing that. 30% isn't anything you might as well not use the bucket in that case.
 

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A few nairs is faster damage then doing that. 30% isn't anything you might as well not use the bucket in that case.
A few nairs isn't faster and 30% isn't anything.

It can be used as a quick surprise attack on unexpected victims.
 

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I'd personally only try that in teams if I'm partnered with a Samus, Mewtwo, or Ness, or am fighting one of those characters in teams and they use the move and I'm on the other end of the map and my partner is there to keep them from ****** me in the bucket lag.... I don't see much point trying it on non-charged projectiles, because dtilt, fair, nair, fsmash don't have the same amount of effort or risk needed to set up (and depending on what i'm catching, those moves could do more damage than a full bucket anyway)
 

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Try it with Zelda instead, 3 Din's Fires = 42%.
Eliminates anyone who doesn't DI properly.
Remember to practice with her first and not to get predictabe with it.
 

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The bucket is a lot of lag and it isn't possible to get it full unless your opponent(s) are scratching their nuts for 15 seconds straight. I don't think it's a very good idea to use the method in a team battle anymore because of the difficulty level of the trick and the mind games needed also. As a matter of fact, i don't think it's a very wise idea to use GaW in a team battle in the first place, unless perhaps you're in a low tier team battle. [/end thread]
 

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As a matter of fact, i don't think it's a very wise idea to use GaW in a team battle in the first place, unless perhaps you're in a low tier team battle. [/end thread]
Or you're amazing with him or have amazing 9 luck. Or if you are having fun in friendlies. My brother and I do a double GW team occasionally in friendlies or against people who suck.
 

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Excuse me for a moment. The damage that Din's Fire does depends on how long Zelda keeps it moving before it detonates. When it's fully charged, 3 of them can deal up to 65% on the first splash, eliminating anyone who doesn't sheild or powershield. If you don't charge it, the bucket only does 25% on the first splash. If you want a basic idea on how far Din's Fire can go, go to training mode as Zelda and G&W, select Final Destination and don't move the characters. When Zelda does Din's Fire without letting go of the B button, it should stop on G&W's head, allowing him to bucket it.
 

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Excuse me for a moment. The damage that Din's Fire does depends on how long Zelda keeps it moving before it detonates. When it's fully charged, 3 of them can deal up to 65% on the first splash, eliminating anyone who doesn't sheild or powershield. If you don't charge it, the bucket only does 25% on the first splash. If you want a basic idea on how far Din's Fire can go, go to training mode as Zelda and G&W, select Final Destination and don't move the characters. When Zelda does Din's Fire without letting go of the B button, it should stop on G&W's head, allowing him to bucket it.

You are excused.


I just tried it, and i won't work for me. I used ness and samus, but they just don't make GaW fly off. I powershield too. Am i doing something wrong?
 

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A few nairs isn't faster and 30% isn't anything.

It can be used as a quick surprise attack on unexpected victims.

I'm sorry it took so long but i just realized how retarted you are. You just said that filling up the bucket and shooting it out isn't faster than maybe the most effective attack in the entire game. Name one character that doesn't own everyone with his/her nair.
 

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I'm sorry it took so long but i just realized how retarted you are. You just said that filling up the bucket and shooting it out isn't faster than maybe the most effective attack in the entire game. Name one character that doesn't own everyone with his/her nair.
Link
Young Link
Samus

Their Nairs have uses, but offensively they have better moves to use.
 

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Man, I did this at Anime Central this year! Friendly Fire on, my teammate decided to go Ness. So I went Game And Watch. We actually pulled it off once, and I took both of them down! It was insane!

Practical? Absolutely not. Worth it? Every time.
 

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Link
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Samus

Their Nairs have uses, but offensively they have better moves to use.
You must be high my friend. First off if Ylink didn't have his nair then he would have no fast knock back attacks and wouldn't be able to kill anyone. Links nair is even better than Young links, and it adds damage up like crazy. Don't get me started about samus, in the opening frames of her nair, it spikes more than falcon's knee. GG my friend but study some more before you make false accusations.
 

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Stop calling everyone ******** just because they don't agree with you.

Game n Watches Nair isn't as good as you're making it out to be.
 

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Stop calling everyone ******** just because they don't agree with you.

Game n Watches Nair isn't as good as you're making it out to be.

Nair is the best attack in the game. Fox/ Falco, Doc, Sheik, Falcon, and all the other characters in the game have an insanely awesome nair attack. You can say it's useless but I'll just assume that you're not very good at smash making you're comment trash. Do you understand what you're saying?! You're comparing a speedy attack that adds nearly 20% damage per hit and IS L-cancel-able to an absorption attack that takes as long as three shfflced attacks to cast, doesn't do significant damage and you would have to be a pretty nut sucky player to get hit by it. You can't combo a full bucket, but you can combo a nair.
 

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GW's n-air isn't lcancellable. It's still a heck of a lot better than the bucket, in just about every way..
 

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Don't get me started about samus, in the opening frames of her nair, it spikes more than falcon's knee.
Uh? Neither move spikes, and Falcon's knee (opening hit) is stronger than almost any other aerial in the game, including Samus' nair.


Nair is the best attack in the game.
What does this even mean? Whose nair? Regardless of whose it is, I think Fox's shine is better.

Or do you mean nairs in general are the best moves in the game? If that's what you're saying I think that's kind of an impossible comparison to make.

Although I do agree that GW's nair is certainly more useful than his bucket.
 

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GW's n-air isn't lcancellable. It's still a heck of a lot better than the bucket, in just about every way..
Actually, you can L cancel his nair, but it's more difficult to do and the difference is barely noticeable. G&W's Uair attack however, cannot be L cancelled.
 
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