Data Ness Hitboxes and Frame Data

[standardtoaster]

Credits to SuperDoodleMan for most of the frame data.
Images compiled and edited by Standardtoaster.
"Hitbox System" format, method, and organization developed by Stratocaster.
All animated GIF's are at 1/3rd game speed.



Jab 1

Total: 19
Hit: 3-4

Window of the second punch: 3-25
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Jab 2

Total: 20
Hit: 4-5

Window of the Kick: 2-25
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Jab 3

Total: 30
Hit: 7-10
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Forward Tilt

Total: 34
Hit: 7-11
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Up Tilt

Total: 39
Hit: 5-9
Head invincible: 5-6
IASA: 32
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Down Tilt

Total: 13
Hit: 3-5
IASA(dtilt into dtilt): 8
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Dash Attack

Total: 41
Hit: 8, 15, 22
IASA: 40
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Forward Smash

Total: 49
Charge frame: 10
Hit: 16-17
Reflects: 16-17
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NOTE ON YOYO SMASHES

If you hit your opponent while the
smash is charging, you may still hit
them with the smash when it releases.

Also, you cannot charge the yoyo
smashes if the yoyo is hanging too
far over an edge.

Also, the yoyo smashes continue
instantaneously upon the release of
A, whereas all other smashes delay 1
frame before continuing.
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Down Smash

Total: 61
Charge frame: 13
Hit: 12-31
IASA: 59
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Up Smash

Total: 49
Charge frame: 13
Hit: 12,13(if you charge), 14-31

--YOYO TRAP GLITCH--
If you hit your opponent with either
the first part or the charging part,
you can cause Ness to leave the
hitbox from the main yoyo swing in
the last place his yoyo was. It's
complicated, and I won't go into it.
Here's WHEN you need to release the
charging yoyo:

STRONG HIT

12 - hit
12 - stun 1
12 - stun 2
12 - stun 3
12 - stun 4
12 - stun 5
13
13 - charging 1
13 - charging 2
13 - charging 3
13 - charging 4
13 - charging 5
13 - charging 6 YES
13 - charging 7 YES
13 - charging 8 YES
13 - charging 9 YES
13 - charging 10 YES
13 - charging 11 YES

WEAK HIT

13 - hit
13 - charging 1
13 - charging 2
13 - charging 3
13 - charging 4
13 - charging 5
13 - charging 6
13 - charging 7
13 - charging 8
13 - charging 9
13 - charging 10 YES
13 - charging 11 YES
13 - charging 12 YES
13 - charging 13 YES
13 - charging 14 YES
13 - charging 15 YES

For more info, check out the topic

http://www.smashboards.com/
showthread.php?s=&threadid=48717
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Neutral Air

Total: 39
Hit: 5-23
IASA: 36
Auto Cancel: <4 27>
Landlg: 22
L-Cancelled: 11
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Up Air

Total: 45
Hit: 8-11
IASA: 42
Auto Cancel: <7 27>
Landlag: 18
L-Cancelled: 9
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Back Air

Total: 39
Hit: 10-19
IASA: 36
Auto Cancel: <9 25>
Landlag: 18
L-Cancelled: 9
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Down Air

Total: 59
Hit: 20-28
Auto Cancel: <19 29>
Landlag: 28
L-Cancelled: 14
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Forward Air

Total: 41
Hit: 8-10, 11-13, 14-16, 17-19, 20-21
IASA: 40
Auto Cancel: <7 30>
Landlag: 18
L-Cancelled: 9
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Ledge stand <100%

Total: 34
Invulnerable: 1-30
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Ledge stand 100%>

Total: 59
Invulnerable: 1-55
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Ledge roll <100%

Total: 49
Invulnerable: 1-27
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Ledge roll 100%>

Total: 79
Invulnerable: 1-56
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Ledge attack <100%

Total: 55
Hit: 24-36
Invulnerable: 1-20
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Ledge attack 100%>

Total: 69
Invulnerable: 1-36
Hit: 39-41
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Ledge jump <100%

Total: 37
Invulnerable: 1-14
Soonest FF: 44
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Ledge jump 100%>

Total: 47
Invulnerable: 1-18
Soonest FF: 48
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Down facing getup attack

Total: 49
Hit: 19-20, 25-26
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Up facing getup attack

Total: 49
Hit: 20-21, 24-25
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Grab

Total: 30
Grab: 8-9
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Running Grab

Total: 40
Grab: 10-11
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PSI Magnet

Total (minimum): 59
Absorbs: 10-39 (or release+1)
Absorb lag: 18
Release Lag: 21
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PK Thunder

Startup: 19
PK Thunder comes out: 20
PK Thunder lasts: 119
Recovery time once PKT is gone: 54

PK Thunder 2

Total: 70
Hit: 1-36
Invincible: 1-9
Landlag: 30
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PK Fire

Total: 69
Comes out: 20
Projectile lasts: 20 (19 on ground)

Burning fire hits

Hits: 1-101

Landlag: 30
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PK Flash

Total: 109(minimum), 217(maximum)

Upon release
Total: 65
Hit: 20-33
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Jump: airborne on frame 5

Air time: 58
Earliest FF: 30
FF air time: 45

SH air time: 34
Earliest FF: 19
SH FF air time: 24
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Air dodge
Invulnerable 4-29 out of 48

Ground dodge
invincible 2-18 out of 27

Roll
invulnerable 4-19 out of 31

Landing lag: 4 frames

Dash becomes run at frame 14
Turn-jump Threshold: 25
Run turnaround: 30-31

 

[ChivalRuse]

Dat u-tilt. o.O

Edit: Man, Ness is like completely invincible from behind for frames 5-6.

 

[Bones0]

Ness's grab is even more depressing when you can see its range...

That gif pretty much confirms that PK Flash is definitely the most bad *** video game visual on the planet, though. I wish I could make it my screen saver or something...

 

[standardtoaster]

It's hitbox is so bad.

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

It looks cool but it's hard to believe it's only that circle in the middle

 

[thesage]

Pk flash is really cool looking and awesome to edgeguard with lol.

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

Oops, should've asked for this two months ago but an air PK fire any different from a ground PK Fire other than the angle?

 

[standardtoaster]

The only difference, other than angle, is that the grounded projectile lasts 19 frames, whereas the aerial projectile lasts 20 frames.

 

[Mr Postman]

The best character right?

haha

 

[PSI-Apocalypse]

I have some questions, what's auto cancel?, it's something like L-canceling?, another question what's IASA?

 

[.K1]

So.....does anyone know Ness' frame advantage from DJC aerials? What are his "safest" DJC aerials? For example, if I do something like DJC fair / bair / nair, then I jab after my L cancel, can I be grabbed inbetween my aerial and my jab?

 

[Oddyesy]

I have some questions, what's auto cancel?, it's something like L-canceling?, another question what's IASA?

Autocancel is like L cancelling, but automatically, yeah. IASA stands for Interruptable As Soon As, and means that starting on that frame you can do another move to cancel the animation and do something else.

Oh man this reply was really punctual

 

[Ganreizu]

Autocancel is like L cancelling, but automatically, yeah.

Not really. Auto cancels are a LOT less frames than a majority of L-cancels and has the same animation as landing normally so it doesn't mean that you never have to input L-cancel with that move, it just means you don't have to during the window that you're able to auto-cancel.

 

[Oddyesy]

Not really. Auto cancels are a LOT less frames than a majority of L-cancels and has the same animation as landing normally so it doesn't mean that you never have to input L-cancel with that move, it just means you don't have to during the window that you're able to auto-cancel.

Well I failed to get into the details, but yeah.

 

[Peléo]

Are Ness invincible frames on u-tilt useful in any way? I sometimes use WD utilt as a DJC bair mixup, but that is all.

 

[Ganreizu]

Are Ness invincible frames on u-tilt useful in any way? I sometimes use WD utilt as a DJC bair mixup, but that is all.

It just kinda adds to it's priority.

 

[Thwallace]

Wish I understood frame data then I might be a better ness player.

 

[Fenrikaz]

Just ask for what ever help you need. We ness mains are in this together!

 

[BoxedOccaBerrys]

So when jumping, should i use Down-Air? namely since it has a long duration I've heard.

 

[Baldrdash]

Interesting note for spacing out his dash attack, the first hit of the dash attack (the one closest to his body) Spikes downward. the second hit (the middle point) does no knockback at low percents and at higher percents knocks away from Ness. The last hit (furthest away from him) launches upward and combos well into fair or nair. If someone wants to get the specific data on this, it would be great.

 

[Ten of Nine]

Something interesting and important to note about PK flash.

That middle hitbox gets much MUCH larger the longer you hold it, at max hold time it's about triple in size.

- Edit -
Also very much worth mentioning; Ness's Nair is in a rare group with Pichu and Pikachu's Nair - It's strong hit lasts 8 FRAMES! All other Nairs only last 2-4 frames on the strong hit before becoming weak.

 

[Bubble Nugget]

His getup attacks have better hitboxes than all his other moves combined.

 

[BlankXkonM]

Ay, this will help with winning against Ness.

 

[LEYZARZ]

f smash is the only notable thing about this character

 

[Petrosian808]

Can someone please tell me which frame ness grabs ledge?