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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

Louie G.

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Are you only just going by the NES Contra games? Because if so, yeah, then that's not enough to get out of the characters and series. Much like the case with Simon, they most likely will have to use elements from later games to make the character work.

Also, Bill is more Schwarzeneggar while Lance is more Stallone (Rambo). I grew up on their movies, so seeing characters like that in Smash is very appealing to me.
Yeah, my experience with the series is mostly founded in the earlier titles. So you’re probably right that later games introduce material that would spur on more interesting moveset potential, and I don’t have as much perspective on that. Although as we see with Mega Man or Simon, the NES foundation is kind of the root of how some of these old school nostalgia picks operate. So I also think it’s somewhat safe to assume they could play largely like they do in the original game.

Overall though, I think I’m just not that compelled by the “world” or essence of Contra to the degree I am some other candidates. It’s hard to justify, I think they’d be a fine enough addition, but I feel like there are more strikingly unique options available that I’d rather see. Maybe subconsciously I think we’re kinda set on NEStalgia platformer guys once we bring in Hayabusa.
 

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Assuming it goes through, then yes: Sony will acquire everything. In fact, that was one of the main conditions of it: originally, Sony only cared for the gaming and anime sides of the company, but Kadokawa insisted on an "all or nothing" sort of deal. It's also why everybody is concerned about it, as that would DEFINITELY give Sony a monopoly, mainly in regards to anime distribution (we all saw what happened to Funimation and Crunchyroll): say what you will about the ActiBlizz buyout, but at least that company ONLY did video games.
And it would also affect Nintendo. The Pokémon Mystery Dungeon would effectively die, as now it would require open collaboration between Nintendo and Sony.
 

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And it would also affect Nintendo. The Pokémon Mystery Dungeon would effectively die, as now it would require open collaboration between Nintendo and Sony.
I highly doubt Nintendo or The Pokémon Company care that much about that since the series isn't currently doing all that many numbers. They'll just focus on the billion other Pokémon projects that are making way more money.
 

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I highly doubt Nintendo or The Pokémon Company care that much about that since the series isn't currently doing all that many numbers. They'll just focus on the billion other Pokémon projects that are making way more money.
Yeah, as much as I love Pokemon Mystery Dungeon and wish there had been a game with Gen 7's Pokemon (come on, the Ultra Beasts are like tailor-made to be a villain group in a Mystery Dungeon game and you could even do something wild with the Ultra Space stuff and have the final boss be like Mother Beast Lusamine or something crazy), it's never really done super well for itself and all its gotten in recent history is the remake of the original that came out 6 years ago and I think Red Rescue Team getting added to NSO?
 

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Yeah, as much as I love Pokemon Mystery Dungeon and wish there had been a game with Gen 7's Pokemon (come on, the Ultra Beasts are like tailor-made to be a villain group in a Mystery Dungeon game and you could even do something wild with the Ultra Space stuff and have the final boss be like Mother Beast Lusamine or something crazy), it's never really done super well for itself and all its gotten in recent history is the remake of the original that came out 6 years ago and I think Red Rescue Team getting added to NSO?
Yeah. This recent buyout will be what ultimately kills it. Sony would also get their hands on Danganronpa, so that officially kills any chance of that series getting content in Smash. Sony would also get the entire back catalog of FromSoftware, including Dark Souls.
 

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Yeah. This recent buyout will be what ultimately kills it. Sony would also get their hands on Danganronpa, so that officially kills any chance of that series getting content in Smash. Sony would also get the entire back catalog of FromSoftware, including Dark Souls.
Well, FromSoft's games are a weird case actually. Sony owns Demon's Souls and Bloodborne I think, Namco owns Dark Souls, and FromSoft themselves own Elden Ring I think.
 

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Sony really do be like "We don't have any good IPs so we're gonna take yours."


The punchline though is sadly that they do have the IPs, but because they're not currently active, they're viewed to be as risky as a new IP and are therefore a no go in the minds of corporate.
How sad. Not only does originality not seem to be a thing for Sony, but the lack of will of going back to old IPs is a showing of weakness in my opinion. I mean, those old IPs can't be that risky.

They could do so new things with their old IPs. That said, originality in any form seems to be dying, and businesses just take the IPs of other companies they buy nowadays, it seems.
 

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However, so long as Splatoon is an online third-person shooter with two games worth of unrepped weapons, I can't really see another option not feeling weird.
My issue with this perspective is that playable idols would use weapons too… they are Inklings / Octolings all the same. Pearl would use dualies, Marina would use a splatbrella, and we’d be killing two birds with one stone by representing new weapons AND applying them to extremely popular and well defined characters. I don’t see anything weird about it

Avatar Octoling will still be playable, I feel like everyone who endorses idols or Octavio still believes this. I think Splatoon is the most likely series outside of Mario to get more than one newcomer. But obviously how unique Octoling would be is a common sticking point and I believe we have some differing opinions on that. I struggle to see Smash making Octoling anything beyond a semiclone, given the series existing precedent with characters who are near identical in role, silhouette, general stats and / or ability in their home series. Every character like this has at least started as a derivative no matter how unique fans say they have the potential to be. So far, at least.

:ultfalco::ultisabelle::ultlucas::ultluigi::ultdarkpit::ultdarksamus::ulttoonlink::ultdaisy:

Notably characters like Isabelle or Lucas were never intended as low effort or low priority additions and still were intentionally designed to share many basic traits with their partnered character. And for as long as Falco has been around, and with the return of Wolf, the Fox special kit has remained in tact albeit functionally distinct. Luigi is the one who has shed this the most, and kinda just by proxy with the addition of Side Specials in Melee and Mario not having the Tornado anymore. Not trying to be a stickler here but just trying to lay out why I feel this way as clearly as I can. Isabelle does at least support the use of one or two new tools, maybe Roller gets swapped out, but I hesitate to put much stock in anything past that.

So it’s this same observation of a need for new weapon variety in Smash, and the belief that Splatoon absolutely deserves a fully unique new character that leads me to endorse Off the Hook. We’re on the same page about the motive but I’m much more pessimistic about Octoling’s would-be role in the game and honestly pretty unflinching in how I feel about it until the current precedent is broken.
 
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Personally I support DJ Octavio because he's the most notable reoccurring Nintendo villain left. I can't think of any others who have a chance of being playable.

There are antiheroes like Waluigi and one off villains like Skull Kid or Raven Beak.

But if I'm looking for a long standing villain, like Bowser, Ganondorf, Ridley or K.Rool, I think DJ Octavio is the only possible major one left.
 

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Therefore, I have four Konami characters that I would like to see as newcomers, Bill Rizer, Bomberman, Pyramid Head Goemon and Black Panther Alucard
Fixed.

The Pokémon Mystery Dungeon would effectively die, as now it would require open collaboration between Nintendo and Sony.
No it wouldn't. Nintendo would just give it to another studio.
 
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Sony really do be like "We don't have any good IPs so we're gonna take yours."


The punchline though is sadly that they do have the IPs, but because they're not currently active, they're viewed to be as risky as a new IP and are therefore a no go in the minds of corporate.
I will once again remind everybody that Sony's most successful game this year was a family-friendly platformer dedicated to celebrating the company's history, complete with references to games that Sony themselves haven't acknowledged in LITERAL DECADES. Said game even went on to win GOTY! So the fact that their response to that success is to buyout another company and take all THEIR IPs...

I hate it. I hate it so much.
 

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Personally I support DJ Octavio because he's the most notable reoccurring Nintendo villain left. I can't think of any others who have a chance of being playable.

There are antiheroes like Waluigi and one off villains like Skull Kid or Raven Beak.

But if I'm looking for a long standing villain, like Bowser, Ganondorf, Ridley or K.Rool, I think DJ Octavio is the only possible major one left.
what about King Boo?
 

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I will once again remind everybody that Sony's most successful game this year was a family-friendly platformer dedicated to celebrating the company's history, complete with references to games that Sony themselves haven't acknowledged in LITERAL DECADES. Said game even went on to win GOTY! So the fact that their response to that success is to buyout another company and take all THEIR IPs...

I hate it. I hate it so much.
Oh don't worry, that isn't going to be the response to Astro Bot's success.
Their response will be to miss the point as to why people liked Astro Bot (Japanese studio that likes making actual games) and instead run the Astro Bot branding into the ground until everyone hates it and wants a mercy kill for it.
 

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what about King Boo?
He's there too, but a main villain of a spin off franchise is a smaller deal than the main villain of one of Nintendo's biggest franchises.
 

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I will once again remind everybody that Sony's most successful game this year was a family-friendly platformer dedicated to celebrating the company's history, complete with references to games that Sony themselves haven't acknowledged in LITERAL DECADES. Said game even went on to win GOTY! So the fact that their response to that success is to buyout another company and take all THEIR IPs...

I hate it. I hate it so much.
I feel like people are really missing the point as to what's going on with this acquisition - SIE aren't the ones doing the acquisition, it's Sony the actual general media conglomerate. This has nothing to do with Astro Bot, or old IPs, or anything of the sort - what people should be worried about is the fact that Kadokawa themselves are a massive company stretching out over pretty much every media venture you can think of, meaning this would put a massive monopoly into effect - for example, Sony would now own a massive percentage of anime distribution. The Playstation side of the company has nothing to do with it
 

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I feel like people are really missing the point as to what's going on with this acquisition - SIE aren't the ones doing the acquisition, it's Sony the actual general media conglomerate. This has nothing to do with Astro Bot, or old IPs, or anything of the sort - what people should be worried about is the fact that Kadokawa themselves are a massive company stretching out over pretty much every media venture you can think of, meaning this would put a massive monopoly into effect - for example, Sony would now own a massive percentage of anime distribution. The Playstation side of the company has nothing to do with it
Yeah, this is the most worrying thing about the Kadokawa acquisition for me. Kadokawa owns a huge amount of popular light novels like Re:Zero, Konosuba, Overlord and Classroom of the Elite. Not to mention they own Doga Kobo, the anime studio who did Oshi no Ko. In fact, the amount of anime they've produced or own the source material from is staggering:

To add to this, Sony already owns Crunchyroll, Funimation and Aniplex. Buying Kadokawa would turn the anime industry into a near-monopoly.
 

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Anyone else notice how Tinkaton had a reverse smash symbol in Nintendo's Online post about adding it to Pokemon Unite ?
 

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Anyone else notice how Tinkaton had a reverse smash symbol in Nintendo's Online post about adding it to Pokemon Unite ?
You mean the style of Poké Ball behind it?


Very clearly not Smash related.
They wouldn't even GIVE any Smash hints like that to begin with.
 
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So on the topic of smaller IPs, something I'm a bit curious about in regards to Star Fox.
After Star Fox Zero, two things had happened for the series. One was the Star Fox crossover with the Ubisoft game Starlink. The other was the shocking appearance of the cancelled Star Fox 2 on the SNES Classic, which would also later come to the SNES NSO. And to people's surprise, while it had early Star Fox 64 elements, gameplay-wise, it had alot of ambitious elements that wouldn't be tried until Star Fox Command and Zero, from being being more of a space shooter with RTS elements, having multiple and choosable playable characters for the main story mode(Star Fox Zero had different playable characters, but only during certain missions), originally having the Walker before SFZ and even perma-death in regards to the pilot you control.

So fans of Star Fox, aside from the usual "Don't be another Star Fox 64":
  • Would you like a new game to try another take on Star Fox 2 and Star Fox Command's RTS/Space-shooter hybrid gameplay? Maybe with a more streamlined story compared to what Command tried to do with it's different timeline paths and whatnot? Like sure, the characters could still interact with each other if they team-up and fight alongside each other and different pilots have different dialogues with the different bounty hunters like Wolf, Pigma, Leon, whatnot, but it's more for background flavor, character development and whatnot while the game still has a more straightfoward ending(although maybe with the option of adding some extra flavor, like when Fox goes to face Andross himself, the other pilot you teamed him up with will force their way to help Fox fight against Andross, and then after beating Andross, Andross tries to take out both, but James comes to save both, with a different interaction/dialogue depending on who went with Fox. Peppy would probably have the most heartfelt dialogue seeing James again).
  • Or do you think a new Star Fox game could try to do some more newer things than just simply a steamlined Space-shooter? Maybe another attempt at Star Fox Assault or maybe their own more Open-world take similar to Starlink? Do you think there's anything from Starlink that a new Star Fox game could try doing and expanding upon?
  • Do you want Miyu and Fay to appear in a new game? Like sure, Star Fox fans wanting something new than just the old Star Fox formula will probably say yes to any new characters that aren't just the 64 Cast. But after Star Fox 2's release, do you think Miyu and Fay should appear properly in a new Star Fox game?
 
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