* Official Ganondorf Video Thread (Updated 4/15) *

DarkSpidey13 · Jan 30, 2008

Davy Jones · Jan 30, 2008

Yay! He's No Clone!!!

Zenjamin · Jan 30, 2008

... are you dense?

OATH · Jan 30, 2008

im glad the clones are back but thats just me.

espio87 · Jan 30, 2008

he looks like he's been luigified, which I like!

as soon as I unlock him, I will main him

flashfox · Jan 30, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32ncCssZaPg

A sad day for Ganon fans indeed... =(

Zenjamin · Jan 31, 2008

why is that sad.
the FS looks badass... not that that matters at all due to the lack of items in completive play

Shuma · Jan 31, 2008

Why is that sad?

PEACHYprincess · Jan 31, 2008

Ganon in training mode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUB01JEJWxo

He is still a clone. But his up A move draws enemies in but it is not a one hit KO anymore.

Here he is again in Break the Targets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9sZ7NvHh0

Zenjamin · Jan 31, 2008

humm.
On the one hand, they really nerfed his jab on speed... big time.
this could actually turn out to be a pretty big nerf.

On the bright side, it is no longer a jab. Ganon now palms you... thats right, ganon now has a move called "face-palm"

the Up tilt looks like an improvment. it sucks people in and... is it chargeable?
on second thought, perhaps that was his up smash. His UPtild seems to be at 0:28

BraveDave88 · Jan 31, 2008

Ganon Face-palm? I'll take that!

Of course I preferred the mighty jab-that-actually-sent-you-flying, but we can't have everything.

sprials · Jan 31, 2008

he looks slower than before in some areas. Like his down smash/jab look freaking slow.

Shuma · Jan 31, 2008

How is he still a clone... when we haven't seen his B moves?

crotch protector · Jan 31, 2008

that's bull****. 2 out of 4 zelda reps are clones. ganondorf is arguably more consistant than link and zelda, considering he's always actually the same character rather than a reincarnation type character. this upsets me.

Shuma · Jan 31, 2008

Please someone show me proof that he is a clone!. 'cause so far i've only seen his A moves....

Erimir · Jan 31, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVfEaTwgn_s

At 2:50 you can see Ganondorf use warlock kick. *sigh*

Here's hoping his forward B and neutral are changed in some interesting way. Especially the warlock punch... so rarely is it useful.

Shuma · Jan 31, 2008

......................

Sakurai!!!!!

DarkSpidey13 · Jan 31, 2008

updated the front post. man...that Wizard's Kick is a bummer. let's hope that his B and Side B are significantly different than in Melee. where's the Ball o' Darkness!?

Shuma · Jan 31, 2008

We need to see his other moves, i mean, at least the kick was usefull.

DarkSpidey13 · Jan 31, 2008

Shuma said:
We need to see his other moves, i mean, at least the kick was usefull.

agreed, but only if it still gives him an extra jump.

Shuma · Jan 31, 2008

Well if it doesn't...

What the hell was Sakurai thinking!?

Magus420 · Jan 31, 2008

Personally, I'd like it if he kept the over-b. It was a very good move actually with great dodging/techchasing/comboing uses.

The neutral-B though... projectile PLEASE. I really doubt it though =/

Infinite Krullen · Jan 31, 2008

Uhm look at his moves, they are the same if you dont look at a bit slower and sofort. v B is still wizardskick...To bad they didn't gave him that bad *** sword..

espio87 · Jan 31, 2008

Infinite Krullen said:
Uhm look at his moves, they are the same if you dont look at a bit slower and sofort. v B is still wizardskick...To bad they didn't gave him that bad *** sword..

maybe they replaced his warlock punch or forward b with a special move with his sword (we can only hope, though)

chaos971 · Jan 31, 2008

I doubt they gave him the sword. Just doesn't seem logical at this point. I'm fine with him being this way. I like the ultra heavy style he had in SSBM.

SteveTV · Jan 31, 2008

Training mode: moves, and FS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cNl0PljSB8&feature=user

espio87 · Jan 31, 2008

SteveTV said:
Training mode: moves, and FS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cNl0PljSB8&feature=user

is it me or his warlock punch is faster now?
also, it looks like his dark dive really is back but with some alterations. in the break the targets we were able to see that it does damage even if it doesn't connect. the gerudo dragon acts in a whole different way than falcon's raptor boost. and his final smash is really awesome. also, I think he runs faster now.
my verdict: he's been luigified.

Zenjamin · Jan 31, 2008

ganon CPU.
free4all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCQWwvZYE1c

SuperLink9 · Jan 31, 2008

FS looks cool.

What happened to his uppercut!? He's a bloody clone again >.< all his moves are the same except his forward B, which is only slightly different!

Oh GAWD the pain!

espio87 · Jan 31, 2008

SuperLink9 said:
FS looks cool.

What happened to his uppercut!? He's a bloody clone again >.< all his moves are the same except his forward B, which is only slightly different!

Oh GAWD the pain!

his uppercut consists now of two parts it seems. if the opponent is close then Ganondorf grabs him/her/it and performs the dark dive. if not then he performs and uppercut which deals damage to the opponents that are close but not close enough to grab them

Mx7f · Jan 31, 2008

So they kept all of his moves but it looks like they were all changed to look different and have different properties. Makes sense that they wouldn't completely change them from game to game, they probably thought it would be weird for him to lose some of his moves.

MeLeo · Jan 31, 2008

MAJOR VIDEO FIND:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cNl0PljSB8&feature=user
This guy shows all of Ganondorf's specials AND his FS GANON!!!
BEAST... so yea all his specials are the same, though I hope Sakurai improved things like the hitbox ranges.

Zenjamin said:
humm.
On the one hand, they really nerfed his jab on speed... big time.
this could actually turn out to be a pretty big nerf.

On the bright side, it is no longer a jab. Ganon now palms you... thats right, ganon now has a move called "face-palm"

the Up tilt looks like an improvment. it sucks people in and... is it chargeable?
on second thought, perhaps that was his up smash. His UPtild seems to be at 0:28

Dude, in Melee Ganondorf's A isn't a jab, he palms. So he never had a jab... it just looks like one since it's so fast in Melee. Go to training mode, slow down the speed, zoom in on him, w.e., and you'll see that he palms in Melee.

In that video where the CPU Ganondorf faces that WW Link, if you look at 00:42, it seems that ganondorf might still have his Dair! The CPU does it right before he lands so the move doesn't actually come out, but the animation looks the same for the time that we see it!

Also to you guys who say Ganondorf is a "clone", he is not and he never was. Just because someone's moves look similar to someone else's doesn't make you a clone for crying out loud! Clone = same moves, same effects, same style.

After looking at all Brawl videos with Ganondorf so far:
-Ganondorf looks slower in terms of falling speed and running speed in Brawl, but it seems that overall every character is slightly more floaty.
-His jab/palm (w.e. you want to call it, I've always said jab since it sounds better than palm) looks tragically slower.
-His Fair looks the same but I wish someone would frickin' lag cancel it, alonng with all his other aerials.
-He might still have his Godly Melee Dair in Brawl, look at 00:42 in that WW Link vs. CPU Ganondorf video.
-His Nair looks so much better: it spreads out more, it's just as fast as in Melee, and it looks like there's more than just 4 frickin' frames.
-His DownB is the same... which is good! His DownB in Melee is good albeit situational, you just know how to use it! The endlag is till bad when landing it from the air, but there's no video of him doing it on the ground so we'll see.
-His UpB obviously has more than just a grab hitbox... I hope he still has the grab hitbox as well. That would make it perfect. Unfortunately, you can't grab targets and no has made a video yet showing all his moves.
-His UTilt is slightly faster, it has a vacuum, but it's much weaker. Also, the hitbox extends past his foot, which in Melee it did not (it's just a big circle around his crotch and it doesn't even reach his ankle). It still isn't as good as a juggling move would beI think (like Mario's UpTilt) but we'll see once real vs. matches are released.
-His DTilt is the same, that's good. Hopefully is lasts more than only half the attack like in Melee (Falcon's lasts 6 frames in Melee).
-His ^FTilt looks the same.
-His Bair looks exactly the same... THANK GOD, his Bair is quick, powerful, and ranged in Melee.
-His DSmash seems to come out slightly faster but overall it looks the same.
-His SideSmash also seems to be the same overall.
-His USmash is only one kick this time...
-And of course, his FS is teh beastly Ganon.
-Update from the video above: his DownB, SideB, and B are the same. Also, his UpB still grabs!!!

Well overall Ganondorf stayed true to his Melee form which I am grateful for. I wish someone would post videos of ALL his moves though. His Uair, SideB, B, Dair still haven't been shown. His Dair, SideB, and Uair better be the same or better. His B should be his cape (like Mario's SideB, same effects and everything excect it has the OoT animation).

Well thats my opinion so far... DISCUSS!

h1roshi · Jan 31, 2008

why doesnt someone who has the game just freakin record a match with ganon...peace

-hiro

RegalBuster · Jan 31, 2008

Erimir said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVfEaTwgn_s

At 2:50 you can see Ganondorf use warlock kick. *sigh*

Here's hoping his forward B and neutral are changed in some interesting way. Especially the warlock punch... so rarely is it useful.

It's called Wizard's Foot.

Mike87 · Jan 31, 2008

SuperLink9 said:
FS looks cool.

What happened to his uppercut!? He's a bloody clone again >.< all his moves are the same except his forward B, which is only slightly different!

Oh GAWD the pain!

His up B is different he either upercuts or does the dark dive it seems.

shadowed_phoenix · Jan 31, 2008

Ganondorfs Forward B grbs now and his Down B now lifts slightly off the ground when used.

Pluvia's other account · Jan 31, 2008

Snake Vs Ganondorf Vs Jigglypuff Vs Captain Falcon on a Created Stage

CCC07 · Jan 31, 2008

anyone who wants to see ganon here u go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cNl0PljSB8

BraveDave88 · Jan 31, 2008

Is it just me or is Wizard Foot's lag time reduced when it impacts the ground? Sure seems like it to me.

flashfox · Jan 31, 2008

I am very upset about the nerf to the jab. This really hurts his escapability and may lead him to be heavily comboed. I am happy about his specials though, and I'm glad his airs haven't been noticeably nerfed.

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