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Pokédex Entry: Luigi
- Thread starter Kith
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Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Yeah, Reflex plays BigLou a good bit in tournament.
I don't have a whole lot of MU experience here, but Squirtle always does the best for me by far.
I don't have a whole lot of MU experience here, but Squirtle always does the best for me by far.
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Ivy gets jab up-b'd and dies at like 40%
That's like the extent of my knowledge on this matchup lol... there's a good Luigi in my region that I've played a couple of times, but I'm still figuring out the matchup.
That's like the extent of my knowledge on this matchup lol... there's a good Luigi in my region that I've played a couple of times, but I'm still figuring out the matchup.
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We can still post stuff so Reflex can rip it all apart later lol.
As Squirtle don't get too combo happy... Luigi's n-air hits on frame 3 and has ridiculous priority. I tried to stay away from Ivysaur... seems like Luigi gimps him pretty easily, and the super effective up-b doesn't help.
As for stages, I would probably either go Smashville or Pictochat. If we follow Steeler's idea of walling off Luigi, space would be good. FD or PS1 might be good options too.
As Squirtle don't get too combo happy... Luigi's n-air hits on frame 3 and has ridiculous priority. I tried to stay away from Ivysaur... seems like Luigi gimps him pretty easily, and the super effective up-b doesn't help.
As for stages, I would probably either go Smashville or Pictochat. If we follow Steeler's idea of walling off Luigi, space would be good. FD or PS1 might be good options too.
bigman40
Smash Master
The basic strategy vs Luigi: Hit and run. You can't outright challenge him, but since squirtle is fast enough, you can use his speed to keep some momentum. Bair spacing is fairly good from what I know.
~Mieu
~Mieu
Magik0722
Smash Champion
rocksmash, it pushes luigi far enough away on shield that he cant really punish it with much, i think only tornado, but its only the last hits and only does like 2%
izzy24
Smash Ace
really kith stop getting wrecked by tekk's luigi -______- LOLOLOLOL
This is pretty easy as long as you play it safe.
Once again, I'm kind of busy right now, but I should be able to give a full analysis by the end of the day.
Once again, I'm kind of busy right now, but I should be able to give a full analysis by the end of the day.
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Those vids would be sooooo nice for this discussion right now.
He said he had finals and stuff, so give him a week
He said he had finals and stuff, so give him a week
X-FACTOR
Smash Journeyman
Shoryuken!
That junk always gets me......
well more like that hoe Nana....
BTW, Hi Kith!
That junk always gets me......
well more like that hoe Nana....
BTW, Hi Kith!
hydro grab is dumb, I hate Mata even more..... -_-
This.
A lot of the reason I lost to BigLou is because I was trying not to have a COMPLETE MENTAL BREAKDOWN after getting my car totaled eight hours away from my house, almost getting disqualified from MLG altogether, and having to deal with incredibly needy friends and irritable parents all at once.
Prior to the match against BigLou, I almost lost to a G&W that didn't really know how to play the game, which is silly, because on normal days, I'd be willing to money match any G&W for any amount of money. For anyone that saw those matches, that is not an accurate representation of my matchup knowledge or ability.
But, what the hell? I just finished my English research paper--I'll help with this. Plus, I beat Lounis in a tournament last weekend, in case anyone doubts me.
For Squirtle, it mostly depends on how campy you're willing to be. This is definitely a matchup where your safest moves make a world of difference. F-Tilt should be your best friend, even more so than usual.
Feel free to run away with shellshifting and hydroplaned stuff. Simply moving a bit helps a whole lot, like walking or using shorthop N-Air in place, as his jab (the most threatening thing in his arsenal) outranges most of your stuff, but moving in and out of Luigi's range will help you a lot. He'll be rolling toward you, spotdodging in your face, throwing out jabs, and using Down-B to get in. Because none of these options are very good, using moves with very low cooldown, such as F-Tilt and quick aerials, will allow you to anticipate and punish his approach attempt without much trouble.
Do yourself a favor and don't be above him when he's on the ground. If you find yourself in such a situation, you need to move away unless it's too late. Try not to challenge him in the air unless you're in a great position to do so, like from under a platform. Trades are bad in this matchup, and the Luigi has to mess up for aerial fights not to trade. Edgeguarding isn't difficult; I usually find myself knocking Luigi after his Forward-B by using D-Air if he's low. If not, get the F-Air and repeat the process, since F-Air will put him back where he started, and you can repeat it. Water Gun completelystops his Forward-B, so it's good to keep it charged for that. Since most Luigi players will constantly be in an animation of some kind, footstooling is not going to happen, and STUPID LUIGI CYCLONE WILL SPIKE YOU AND MAKE NO SENSE, because it's STUPID, so make sure you outrange him and take full advantage of him when he's offstage.
If I can stress anything in this matchup, it's that you need to be really patient. Don't fish for grabs or worry about fatigue; you don't need to be very aggressive until he's off the stage.
Also, Lounis cheats--For some reason, approximately half of his Forward-B uses are misfires, but only when he's fighting me.
Good thing Water Gun negates them, though.
Feel free to run away with shellshifting and hydroplaned stuff. Simply moving a bit helps a whole lot, like walking or using shorthop N-Air in place, as his jab (the most threatening thing in his arsenal) outranges most of your stuff, but moving in and out of Luigi's range will help you a lot. He'll be rolling toward you, spotdodging in your face, throwing out jabs, and using Down-B to get in. Because none of these options are very good, using moves with very low cooldown, such as F-Tilt and quick aerials, will allow you to anticipate and punish his approach attempt without much trouble.
Do yourself a favor and don't be above him when he's on the ground. If you find yourself in such a situation, you need to move away unless it's too late. Try not to challenge him in the air unless you're in a great position to do so, like from under a platform. Trades are bad in this matchup, and the Luigi has to mess up for aerial fights not to trade. Edgeguarding isn't difficult; I usually find myself knocking Luigi after his Forward-B by using D-Air if he's low. If not, get the F-Air and repeat the process, since F-Air will put him back where he started, and you can repeat it. Water Gun completelystops his Forward-B, so it's good to keep it charged for that. Since most Luigi players will constantly be in an animation of some kind, footstooling is not going to happen, and STUPID LUIGI CYCLONE WILL SPIKE YOU AND MAKE NO SENSE, because it's STUPID, so make sure you outrange him and take full advantage of him when he's offstage.
If I can stress anything in this matchup, it's that you need to be really patient. Don't fish for grabs or worry about fatigue; you don't need to be very aggressive until he's off the stage.
Also, Lounis cheats--For some reason, approximately half of his Forward-B uses are misfires, but only when he's fighting me.
Good thing Water Gun negates them, though.
bigman40
Smash Master
Naw. 3/4s of his are misfires against me.Also, Lounis cheats--For some reason, approximately half of his Forward-B uses are misfires, but only when he's fighting me.
I'll post about Ivysaur and Charizard later today. I have some errands to run today, which involve putting the finishing touches on my research paper and turning it in. Then I can be active once more.
Thanks Reflex :-)
I think one of the biggest challenges in many match-ups for Squirtle is for the player to learn not to be so aggressive. It's hard for Squirtle in particular because it appears that his incredible aerial mobility and quick attacks promote this. Luigi (and IMO Wario) are match-ups where you really have to get rid of that mind-set and play a much slower, safer game.
At least, that's what I've figured from the few times I've ever played Luigis or Warios.
I think one of the biggest challenges in many match-ups for Squirtle is for the player to learn not to be so aggressive. It's hard for Squirtle in particular because it appears that his incredible aerial mobility and quick attacks promote this. Luigi (and IMO Wario) are match-ups where you really have to get rid of that mind-set and play a much slower, safer game.
At least, that's what I've figured from the few times I've ever played Luigis or Warios.
Buuda
Smash Apprentice
I have a good Luigi in my region and I notice like Reflex said, if you play patiently, then you should be okay. Spacing with Flamethrower is good as always, but seems to be especially effective against Luigi because it shuts down his approaches and eats his fireballs.