Post Patch And DLC Discoveries: Infinites, 0-Deaths, And More

[LiteralGrill]

With much excitement Ryu, Roy, and Lucas entered the fray this weekend alongside two new stages in Dreamland and Miiverse. If this wasn't enough, balance changes came with them that got everyone into a frenzy, hitting the lab to discover what might be new. There have already been some interesting discoveries made so let's take a look at some of the more interesting developments!

Lucas Has A Zero To Death Combo​

Lucas already has a incredibly scarty combo discovered where he can take any opponent from 0 to death percents off of a down throw. Will there be a player to bring this to the proficiency of an Ice Climbers chain grab? Only time can tell.

Falco Gets Some Changes​

Falco got a unique buff to his moveset with his neutral air now having a windbox. This has made several new combos available, but the one that is most interesting is a potential low percentage "chaingrab" where Falco can down throw into neutral air repeatedly. People who previously discounted Falco will be eager to try him out.

Ryu Infinites Discovered​

The infinite shown in the video above has only been tested to work on Donkey Kong and Charizard thus far; it will take time to see if this can be applied to other characters. Ryu's up tilt also seems to have the ability to lock down characters. There is always the possibility with Smash DI that escape could happen, but it will take testing and practice to discover if this is the case. With Ryu already having some combos that can do 60% a pop, Ryu is looking to be a serious tournament threat.

Roy, Jigglypuff, And An Instant Up-B Kill
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For those who do not know in both Project M and in Melee Roy can kill instantly kill Jigglypuff with his up b in certain situations. It seems with a little bit of trickery and some rage this is still possible within Smash 4, so a unique Smash tradition continues in the strangest way. Roy is also looking to have some great combos and other points of potential as well; it will be interesting to see him develop.

These next few days are bound to have even more thrilling discoveries made as the game advances forward. To keep up with them all be sure to stay tuned in to Smashboards for all the information you need!

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[90007000]

I knew Ryu was OP all along...

 

[MapleWooD]

Hopefully people will now shut up about Lucas not being playable at EVO after seeing this

 

[CptJPuff]

Falco is the new Diddy. CONFIRMED.

 

[Kewkky]

Falco looks more fun to play, for sure. That nair change definitely adds to his potential.

 

[Ħαχση]

Ike got a few changes too... Stronger more damaging dash attack and a seemingly faster yet weaker forward tilt

 

[MasterIcarus7 (SHADE)]

I don't think the Lucas zero to death combo will make a difference, but Lucas himself is the new diddy as far as I can tell.

 

[Purin a.k.a. José]

Hummm.... SHOROYKEN!
...oh my God.

I recall seeing Lucas' Hoo-Haa killing Sheik at 84% in the VGBootCamp stream.

 

[FlynnCL]

The Ryu infinite against Kong and Zard isn't true. It even says so in the video itself. You can just roll out of it before he hits you with another Focus Attack.

Not sure why people are making a deal about Falco's new "chain-grab" considering he's always been able to lock early missed techs with f-tilt.

 

[BuTTNutz]

Roy can do the backwards up b thing that math can do in melee, thats why i like him more

 

[MasterIcarus7 (SHADE)]

Roy can do the backwards up b thing that math can do in melee, thats why i like him more

It's called the Reverse Dolphin Slash, or with Roy, the Reverse Blazer. No offense.

 

[MOI-ARI]

Finally someone threw Falco a bone. For ****s sake.

 

[StarLuigi★]

Holy damn I gotta learn that Insta Kill for Lucas

 

[ILOVESMASH]

Falco can't perform a psuedo chain grab with his nair because d-throw doesn't have enough hitstun.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Falco is the new Diddy. CONFIRMED.

"Personally, I prefer the air!"

 

[Ffamran]

It's not a windbox... The patch added autolink angles to Falco's Nair which allows it to connect better and basically let him drag people with Nair. The game's probably freaking out and trying to figure out how to connect (a rising) Nair with Falco's high jump. Zelda's Nair would probably freak out too if she had Falco's jump.

 

[J.P]

This is like the ZSS infinite a while ago, cool but i doubt we will see it in a tournament match.

 

[Jupiter9099]

I heard Kirby 64 music

 

[nessokman]

So what was that about Lucas being a poor man's ness?

 

[Knux27]

Well, this explains the sudden rise of non scrub Falco's on 3DS For Glory.
Before, I would rarely ever see one, and if I did, I knew they were either a threat or my target 10 seconds into the match.

 

[Jahnathan]

But can't you just tech the Lucas combo?

 

[Crimson Ace]

What exactly was changed in the update in terms of character balances? I know the DLC characters and stages came out, but can someone get me a list of changes, if any happened? I know a couple did. Thanks

 

[JayTheUnseen]

Wow, already? The smash community works fast, don't they?

But nice Falco change.

 

[Crimson Ace]

But can't you just tech the Lucas combo?

You can't tech a footstool, and he was doing jab locks, which force an on-spot get up, making the combo inescapable.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

So what was that about Lucas being a poor man's ness?

More like a rich man's Ness


cuz, y'know, ya have to buy him


Hahahaha I'm so funny

 

[Tino]

As someone who plays Falco, time for me to learn all those combos shown on that video to improve my game with him, especially that d-throw/n-air thing.

And lol. That Zero to Death combo already had some people here saying that Lucas will be "the next Diddy Kong"

 

[Lukingordex]

But can't you just tech the Lucas combo?

nope, you can't tech footstools

 

[hype machine]

I'm tired of seeing footstall combos being called true combos. We don't see them in tournoment matches for a reason. The Lucas infinite combo can easily be DI'ed out of and make it nearly impossible to pull off and just not worth trying because they can DI offstage anyways.
And is the Ryu infinite legit, can't you shield it? I find it hard to believe that spamming the same move over again is an infinite, I don't think nintendo could have not seen that

 

[Deleted member]

PATCH IT. PATCH IT.

To be honest though, just buff some other characters to their level, and remove the infinites plz. You can totally hear my very vocal opinion here on an internet forum, Nintendo. Also, you definitely care too.

 

[DahremRuhar]

The Lucas infinite is cool, but goofy and impractical. All footstool infinites are. The Ryu one is actually pretty dumb though. I am strongly against crying "nerf" but that probably needs to be patched.

 

[StabbityJoe]

Id hate to spoil more stuff but has any one data mined the update yet?

 

[DahremRuhar]

I'm tired of seeing footstall combos being called true combos. We don't see them in tournoment matches for a reason. The Lucas infinite combo can easily be DI'ed out of and make it nearly impossible to pull off and just not worth trying because they can DI offstage anyways.
And is the Ryu infinite legit, can't you shield it? I find it hard to believe that spamming the same move over again is an infinite, I don't think nintendo could have not seen that

To be fair, the positioning is kind of odd.

 

[misterOWAIN33]

"Personally, I prefer the air!"

"Personally, I prefer the N-air!"

 

[Mr. Oshawott]

I have a feeling that, perhaps, there will be calls for Ryū to receive a slight nerf to some of his moves due to them being seemingly overpowered.

 

[Nate22Hill]

smash 4 is looking to become quite the competitive game

 

[JackD]

Lucas' combo certainly is... "scarty" also the hyperlink of "Roy is also looking to have some great combos" leads to nothing. Not sure if you had a video or thread prepared for that one but it's not linking to it.

 

[Gr4pefru1t]

"Ryu Infinites Descovered"

Really. Really?

 

[Spitfire16]

When Ryu gets mastered I just know he's going to be very high or top tier. I've seen some insane stuff from him already and its only been a day. Technical players will have a lot of fun getting all these rewards.

 

[Tino]

I've fought some For Glory Roys and Ryus today and there's already someone who's really good with them, and it hasn't even been a full week yet. How's that even possible?

 

[Abaasy]

Looks like Jigglypuff was filled with hydrogen.... Bad Science Puns pls