Recovery, Less UpB lag?

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

i had the impression,that if you do UpB, while someone is edgehogging you, and you go really close, and you UpB straight onto the edge, so you kinda press against the wall, but then still land ON it, you have less landing lag

example on 1:08

this is kinda what i mean, but not the extrem, i think it can be even less...

is this a known fact, or just a rumor, i guess a lot of ppl have noticed this...

i play alot against a falco who will always(!) edgehog me, so i do it quite often...

tell me what you think, it´d be awesome if someone could really test it

maybe the game recognises the time that you aren´t really up on the ledge, but still kinda at the edge , as landing time, and reduces the lag

i´ll try to find a better example of it, wish me luck :D

 

[Tope]

Theres definately less lag there.

 

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

:D
thanks for the clear answer

then why doesnt anyone ever try to do it in tourney matches and stuff, if i manage to pull it off, it always rescues me from getting edgeguarded

 

[Luma]

still too much lag and u would be to close to ur opponent

 

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

O.o

those are some pretty solid reasons... "to close to your opponent"

if cant teleport straight, which is the case if it works like this, you´d not be much further away anyways, and have much more lag

plus, if they roll, you´re save, cause they cant reach you before you can shield or w/e

the only chance for them to hit you is time the normal get up really good and perform the edgeguard right after

true, might not work against uber-pros, but it´ll make it harder to edgeguard anyway, especially if you mix it up with normal recovery

 

[Luma]

well, against non-uber-pros u dont need stuff like that when u play sheik =P

 

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

right, you can also spam tilts and be happy with the uber-intense gaming

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

Seems pretty cool. If what you said is true (with the time that you're not really on the ledge being recognized by the game as such) I suppose you might be able to maximize it and get a near-safe recovery. Find more vids!

 

[Zankoku]

As far as I can tell, you're somehow rising up and yet getting interrupted, so the Vanish lag is landfallspecial lag (landing after falling from the Vanish) instead of landlag (reappearing on ground). Really weird, but definitely less lag.

 

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

hmmm.. that explenation sounds pretty reasonable
not bad

 

[NeighborhoodP]

It's very useful to do on purpose because against space animals, even if you go far on the stage with your upb Fox has no problem catching up and usmashing and Falco can usually catch you as well with a fsmash.

So with Fox you're gonna get ***** if he hits with it anyway, so it's good to use often. With Falco if he guesses wrong on his fsmash you recover and may even be able to follow up. Even if they don't guess wrong they'll be close to you so they can't sweet spot the fsmash = easy to DI = you live anyway.

 

[Tope]

I now dub this the Tope Cancel.

I've figured out how to do this.

 

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

lol :D
no you havent xD

how bout we call it Dope cancel, because its simialar to Tope and it looks messed up? ^^

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

lol :D
no you havent xD

how bout we call it Dope cancel, because its simialar to Tope and it looks messed up? ^^

Except that Dope is a Falco player, so we people would assume it's a Falco thing. I'm all for Witchking-Cancel, because I'm cool that way.

 

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

how bout Yomi-UpB cancel, because Yomi means Mindgame, and it´s a tactic to throw ppl off

short:Yomi-Cancel

lol, or we just leave it at : "wierd pushing up the ledge resulting in less landing lagtime" cause nobody will ever use this anyways, before brawl is out ^^

 

[Luma]

[x] Tope Cancel

shut up germans

 

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

how bout you get the hell out of this usefull toipc, cause you arent usefull?

 

[Shmooguy]

I now dub this the Tope Cancel.

I've figured out how to do this.

explain .

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

how bout you get the hell out of this usefull toipc, cause you arent usefull?

Quoted for Extreme Truth; this is sig material.

 

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQmYnufWbYI

CJ does the "Tope Cancel" xD

and... doesnt get edgeguarded

 

[$hYne]

Let´s call it the Shyne-Cancel cuz i´m way to sexy and i play jiggz ...

 

[Tope]

He also gets 3 stocked.