Sakurai was too biased with Lucas.

[Xigger]

Surely you've noticed how biased Sakurai was with Lucas and Ness? He made Lucas a medium all-around character, while making Ness "slightly heavier". That's exactly what Dr. Mario was. Of course Sakurai knows that nobody likes those clones.

His PK fire goes straight, his attacks come out faster, his PK Thunder won't be stopped by enemies and is easier to control and goes further, his PK Ice moves faster and farther, and he even has a grapple move. We don't see Ness using his Yo-Yo to recover, do we?

Asides from fighting, you can see the reference everywhere in the game. Try comparing the Ness and Lucas trophies. Ness's trophy has the shortest description out of all the trophies! (Unsure) And Sakurai even attempted to make New Pork City the new Hyrule Temple of Brawl.

Fun Fact: Sakurai helped develop Mother 3.

 

[Smashbros_7]

ACK!

But you forget Doctor Mario is higher on the tier list than Mario. HA!
Ness has great air moves... You must master your Ness game!

 

[Conda]

Lucas's attacks come out faster than Ness? Huh?


I like the idea of using the yoyo to recover.
Yoyo tether ftw...

 

[GoForkUrself]

The fact that Lucas's stick is longer and faster at the expense of a slight bit of strength is ridiculous. Ness's grab game is superior to Lucas, so I still use Ness.

 

[Hardcorenesser]

they both have their advantages so stop comparing them. Lucas is no better then Ness. Ness is no better then Lucas. it depends on the player. i have whooped countless Ness players with Lucas (on random wifi) and then when i played Simna i didnt even take out one of his lives. it just depends on the player. so NO MORE COMPARING THE TWO!!!!! THEY ARE TOO DIFFERENT TO BE COMPARED!!!!

 

[Gill]

AND. AND.

You forgot to mention.

LUCAS' FS TROPHY HAS ONE MORE SHOOTING STAR THAN NESS'

OMFG

 

[Circus]

In Sakurai's defense...

Lucas is a much cooler character. >_>

 

[Christopher Rodriguez]

AND. AND.

You forgot to mention.

LUCAS' FS TROPHY HAS ONE MORE SHOOTING STAR THAN NESS'

OMFG

LOL that made my day

 

[Conda]

In Sakurai's defense...

Lucas is a much cooler character. >_>

Maybe he was cool in Mother 3, but there's no denying that he's a wuss in Brawl. Give me a screen shot from brawl where Lucas is smiling at all.

Ness is also just as go-gettum as Lucas, but his game is older and didn't rely much on character development. He's a better designed character in the smash series, though, compared to Mother 2/Earthbound.

 

[Trozz]

Ness's b-throw kills like it does in N64.

 

[Earthbound360]

Its does seemed Biased. PSI magnet for Ness only has a bit more unnoticable range over Lucas. Everything else is better in LUcas' hands. It also seems like Ness' PK Thunder and Bat was SUPPOSED to be lesser than Lucas (PK Thuner isnt, but the stick is).

Also, they gave Lucas cooler animations. His jab is cooler, his PSI magnet looks cooler, his helpless animation is cooler, and so are his PK attack animations.

 

[Deeja]

Ness goes HUAH! when he hits someone with his bat.

 

[Earthbound360]

Ness goes HUAH! when he hits someone with his bat.

Lucas goes "HEEYAH!"

 

[Fredd]

-Sigh-

The never-ending debate of Lucas vs. Ness.
Why do we, I mean you, care so much again?​

 

[Trozz]

Lucas attacks with hexagons.
Ness has a cooler stage entrance.

 

[fridayslobster]

Lol I agree that Lucas and Ness are two different characters. They come from the same series and have similar specials and jumps but thats about it. Most of their A-button attacks are way different and they each open up many different possibilities for each character.

 

[MrPhox]

lucas down B acts as an attack and absorbs too.
it comes out faster and ends quicker.
it comes out in front, but it covers both sides actually.

ness' down b is worse in every category.

that just bothers me personally

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Ness actually attacks faster for the most part, and PK Flash is infinitely better than PK Freeze.

And stop with this whole "ZOMG, TOO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS YOU CAN'T COMPARE THEM WAA WAA" because it's just idiotic. They are most certainly not too different to compare. If I can compare Marth and Captain Falcon and say that Marth is better, than Lucas and Ness can very well be compared as well, with the added benefit of them having conceptually similar B moves.

If anything, Sakurai made Lucas a more "glass cannon" character. His abilities are really good for fighting at range and he has moves that hit very hard but are difficult to pull off. Ness hits hard all around, but his KO moves are oddly placed and he has more options to escape from various situations that Lucas doesn't.

 

[mNag]

I like Ness's airgame more. His Fair is one of the best in the game. Lucas's FAIR is pretty much the same as Ness's BAIR, so those cancel each other out. I find myself using lucas's DAIR kind of like I would Ness's FAIR, but Ness's is far superior. Additionally, Ness's meteor smash is easier to use.

Lucas's Bair is ok... but getting a meteor smash out of it really comes down to luck with the lagtime and small & out-of-place hitbox.

As for the ground game, Ness has a better dash attack and grab. Otherwise the only thing Ness might have on Lucas when it comes to smashes is utility. The lagtime on Lucas's kill attacks like his Up and Down Smashes aren't as easy to use Ness's baseball bat and grabs.

My problem right now, is when I main one of those characters, I play the other character like I would play the one I'm maining. And they're different enough that they do require different strategies to be used effectively.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

I like Ness's airgame more. His Fair is one of the best in the game. Lucas's FAIR is pretty much the same as Ness's BAIR, so those cancel each other out. I find myself using lucas's DAIR kind of like I would Ness's FAIR, but Ness's is far superior. Additionally, Ness's meteor smash is easier to use.

Lucas's Bair is ok... but getting a meteor smash out of it really comes down to luck with the lagtime and small & out-of-place hitbox.

As for the ground game, Ness has a better dash attack and grab. Otherwise the only thing Ness might have on Lucas when it comes to smashes is utility. The lagtime on Lucas's kill attacks like his Up and Down Smashes aren't as easy to use Ness's baseball bat and grabs.

My problem right now, is when I main one of those characters, I play the other character like I would play the one I'm maining. And they're different enough that they do require different strategies to be used effectively.

I'm actually very disappointed with Ness's Fair. It's been nerfed hugely, hardly keeps the opponent in any more and does pathetic damage compared to how it was in Melee. I rarely use it instinctively like I did back then. In fact I hardly use it much any more because more often than not I just end up being punished because it has landing lag and practically no shield stun.

 

[coolguy75]

AND. AND.

You forgot to mention.

LUCAS' FS TROPHY HAS ONE MORE SHOOTING STAR THAN NESS'

OMFG

This just made my day /cookie

 

[eSilverh]

Ness has the most awesome entrance. Too bad (sigh)

 

[mNag]

I'm actually very disappointed with Ness's Fair. It's been nerfed hugely, hardly keeps the opponent in any more and does pathetic damage compared to how it was in Melee. I rarely use it instinctively like I did back then. In fact I hardly use it much any more because more often than not I just end up being punished because it has landing lag and practically no shield stun.

The biggest nerf to Ness's FAIR was the removal of DJC. It's still a good aggressive move to push your opponent around and start combos. It's just not as easy to get going on an opponent that sticks to a ground game.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

The biggest nerf to Ness's FAIR was the removal of DJC. It's still a good aggressive move to push your opponent around and start combos. It's just not as easy to get going on an opponent that sticks to a ground game.

Yeah, certainly.

Although it feels to me that the hitbox is slightly bigger, even though the move is less disjointed and doesn't capture as well. So it's certainly more of a defensive move now. In Melee it was truly a spark, but in Brawl it's more of a bubble.

 

[PrinceLegend]

ya i agree with half the people lucas is a **** but they are equal. Ness=offensive lucas=control. i prefer lucas but ima prolly give ness a shot soon

 

[Trozz]

The only thing that really bothers me about Ness is his lousy recovery. Then again, Ness never really was renowned for being able to stay on the stage much.

 

[Xigger]

The only thing that really bothers me about Ness is his lousy recovery. Then again, Ness never really was renowned for being able to stay on the stage much.

Lucas has a longer recovery than him, he can control it and shoot himself back faster, and you can't jump in front of Lucas's thunder and kill him like you can with Ness. That part bugs me the most.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

Maybe he was cool in Mother 3, but there's no denying that he's a wuss in Brawl. Give me a screen shot from brawl where Lucas is smiling at all.

Ness is also just as go-gettum as Lucas, but his game is older and didn't rely much on character development. He's a better designed character in the smash series, though, compared to Mother 2/Earthbound.

 

[Conda]

From Brawl

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

From Brawl

I know, it's just funny coming back and reading this
He heard you haha

 

[Conda]

I know, it's just funny coming back and reading this
He heard you haha

Haha i dont even remember saying that So long ago

 

[Stigmata]

Regardless of who is better in neutral, I doubt Lucas will ever have a kill throw like Ness. Though I'd like if Ness had his Brawl dair back to make another case for his own value