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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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You guys think Brawlout coming to the Switch affects anything? I think it does. Might be a stretch, but I think this lends even more credence to the theory that it's just going to be a port. Since it's a port, they're not really worried about another 3D brawler on the system. Nintendo tends to get VERY protective of Smash (just look what happened to Project M) of Smash Bros, so I have a hard time believing they'd let a very similar game onto their system if they were planning on releasing a whole new game within 2 years.
 
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You guys think Brawlout coming to the Switch affects anything? I think it does. Might be a stretch, but I think this lends even more credence to the theory that it's just going to be a port. Since it's a port, they're not really worried about another 3D brawler on the system. Nintendo tends to get VERY protective of Smash (just look what happened to Project M) of Smash Bros, so I have a hard time believing they'd let a very similar game onto their system if they were planning on releasing a whole new game within 2 years.
Nah


Nintendo doesnt give a **** what indies do. Hell they dont give a **** what Bigger companies do. Smash clones have been on nintendo consoles before.

Project M was a fan mod, that we dont even have official confirmation if Nintendo ever went after. Not an actual product that people are getting money off of.
 
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Pretty sure BoxyBoy is a dead franchise.

Qbby is Assist Trophy material at best and HAL cares for Kirby more.
 

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Never said that AC is not relevant at all, it just got out of focus due to many other franchises getting major releases lately or in the near future. And again, seeing that most of AC's potential's used by Villager, I can't imagine of a very exciting moveset for another AC character and that it's not likely we're getting one imo. But who knows? I'm not against the inclusion of a second character of that franchise seeing how big it still is.

Other than that, besides Bandana Dee and the most obvious choices (Inkling, Arms, Rhythm Heaven), there's actually no character I desperately want left for the next Smash but the missing veterans. So I might annoy you with no big optimism^^
 
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Just because something hasn't been directly stated or hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it means nothing or won't happen.

Not to mention Sakurai has been on record saying that series balance is important. That and I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the ideas people have thought of as things that "only work well on paper." Had anyone brought up the idea or Rosalina being a puppet fighter or Ryu having Street Fighter inputs, they'd have been laughed at and their idea deemed too much of a stretch. Saying otherwise is just letting the present cloud memory of the past.
"Series balance" doesn't refer to "how many characters does X franchise need/deserve".
It refers to the balance between all of the series. Making sure one series doesn't get too much in comparison to the rest.
http://sourcegaming.info/2015/09/26/sakurai-on-character-choices/
Distribution among the franchises is also taken into consideration
It's why Wario was decided against in Melee.
It's why he was hesitant on adding Corrin to Smash 4.

Yet "underrepresentation" wasn't used as an excuse for even ONE Donkey Kong newcomer this time around despite everyone and their grandma here thinking DK and Diddy "aren't enough" for such a HUGE series to Nintendo and how at least one was guaranteed to show up by the consensus.

So forgive me if I don't blindly accept that "underrepresentation" means anything worth a damn when we've been shown the exact opposite.


Also, had anyone brought up the idea of Pokemon Trainer having a playstyle centered around swapping a set of Pokemon like Zelda/Sheik, but with type-effectiveness and a level of stamina for each Pokemon to encourage switching instead of focusing heavily on one of them like what ended up with Sheik, they would have been labeled a genius before Brawl showed just how terrible an idea it really was when executing it.
Saying otherwise is just letting the present cloud memory of the past.
:rolleyes:

ERROR: "SAKURAI FELT METROID WAS UNDERREPRESENTED" NOT FOUND
 
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"Series balance" doesn't refer to "how many characters does X franchise need/deserve".
It refers to the balance between all of the series. Making sure one series doesn't get too much in comparison to the rest.
http://sourcegaming.info/2015/09/26/sakurai-on-character-choices/


It's why Wario was decided against in Melee.
It's why he was hesitant on adding Corrin to Smash 4.

Yet "underrepresentation" wasn't used as an excuse for even ONE Donkey Kong newcomer this time around despite everyone and their grandma here thinking DK and Diddy "aren't enough" for such a HUGE series to Nintendo and how at least one was guaranteed to show up by the consensus.

So forgive me if I don't blindly accept that "underrepresentation" means anything worth a damn when we've been shown the exact opposite.


Also, had anyone brought up the idea of Pokemon Trainer having a playstyle centered around swapping a set of Pokemon like Zelda/Sheik, but with type-effectiveness and a level of stamina for each Pokemon to encourage switching instead of focusing heavily on one of them like what ended up with Sheik, they would have been labeled a genius before Brawl showed just how terrible an idea it really was when executing it.
Saying otherwise is just letting the present cloud memory of the past.
:rolleyes:
Representation works both ways. Sakurai may have never mentioned under representation verbatim like he did over representation, but the fact that he said anything about it at all is more indicative that under representation matters to him too. For all we know a DK character could have been less of a priority due to it being so tied to the Mario universe, which had two newcomers and a returning Melee vet.

Not to mention, as posted above, Sakurai literally added Zero Suit Samus because he wanted another Metroid character.

Also your Pokémon Trainer counterpoint falls flat. There's a difference between an idea being executed poorly once implemented (which is subjective anyway) and laughing off an idea when you have no idea whether or not the execution will stick.
 

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I have an entire Isabelle thread set up if some of you are having trouble thinking of moveset potential.
Animal Crossing has been a hit ever since the GC era (or N64 for Japan) and has sold into the millions on every console (barring Amiibo Festival for obvious reasons) with Isabelle being the secondary face of the series, right behind Villager. There's a reason that AC was chosen as DLC for Mario Kart and that Isabelle was chosen to be the second representative of the series in it.
You only have to pay the slightest bit of attention to AC to notice that Villager's moveset only represents a small part of the game, as they mostly only represent a few things you can actively do in town. Isabelle is the perfect choice to use the Public Display Projects and the unused tools without a purpose (like the bubble blower or toy hammer for instance) she can even use the plethora of emotions available in-game as attacks, as one of the first things you notice about Isabelle is that she's very expressive. Something along the lines of a "Terraforming Trapper" sounds like it dances pretty well to me. There's so much material in AC there's still potential left over for a character like Tom Nook, but lets take this one character at a time.

I'm gonna keep saying this every time she's brought up, she's got a goldmine of a moveset right there just waiting to be created. Isabelle ticks all the boxes: she's popular, relevant, and has unique potential.
 
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Representation works both ways. Sakurai may have never mentioned under representation verbatim like he did over representation, but the fact that he said anything about it at all is more indicative that under representation matters to him too. For all we know a DK character could have been less of a priority due to it being so tied to the Mario universe, which had two newcomers and a returning Melee vet.
Except....you're missing the point.
When deciding the roster, how would a DK character be less of a priority than two "main" Mario characters (Dr. Mario literally is irrelevant here due to not being planned as a separate character in the beginning)?

Think about it. Nothing's finalized. No characters have been made yet.
Unless you're arguing that the DK franchise literally can't be considered "underrepresented" due to the fact it's tied to the Mario franchise that isn't.....
....then why was the "underrepresented" series not made the higher priority for a character? Especially when we could have had the one that missed her chance at Brawl?

Not to mention, as posted above, Sakurai literally added Zero Suit Samus because he wanted another Metroid character.
Which is not a legitimate case of "because underrepresented".
Your entire argument is based on the idea that "because Animal Crossing doesn't have 'enough' characters, Sakurai will add another".
Zero Suit Samus is literally "because Sakurai wanted another Metroid character, he added one".

Could Sakurai want another Animal Crossing character? Maybe, maybe not. Who the **** really knows at this point.
But that's not what's being argued, now is it?

Also your Pokémon Trainer counterpoint falls flat. There's a difference between an idea being executed poorly once implemented (which is subjective anyway) and laughing off an idea when you have no idea whether or not the execution will stick.
There's also a difference between stating that a gimmick sounds good on paper while implying it may or may not work in execution and "laughing off an idea", which you keep claiming that I'm doing likely because you felt personally offended due to you thinking I'm singling you out when you're not even the first/only one to think of a random gimmick that may or may not actually work well in practice for Isabelle.

My counterpoint is more apt to what is actually being discussed as opposed to your own point.
 
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You know, as much as I love the man and as much as he is relevant to most speculation, I'm kinda sick of Sakurai getting brought up.

I'm kinda lost in the discussion that's going on right now. I think Isabelle would be pretty cool. I'd prefer the Nook though.
 

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Seeing Tom Nook or Isabelle would make me pretty happy; big AC fan, so just about anyone from the game would excite me, but those two are special for sure. As kind of a side note, if Isabelle were to get in, I'd imagine Lottie could be an alternate costume for the strange people out there who'd enjoy having that option (totally not me at all, nope /s), though those kinds of alternates seemingly haven't been popular from an official standpoint. Still, combining the two in such a way could potentially open up their moveset even more, drawing from both New Leaf and Happy Home Designer. Eh, one can dream. LOL

Something that caught me by surprise is that my niece actually wants Isabelle's brother Digby to get in to the next Smash instead of her... Now there's a character I don't feel has much possibility at all (even less than Lottie).
 

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I think in the next Super Smash Bros. the Pikachu's alternate customes will is with the Ash's caps. Here the image:

 
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I created that roster with newcomers I want they coming in new Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch. Here:

 
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I created that roster with newcomers I want they coming in new Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch. Here:

Image is broken. Try uploading it to imgur and linking it here.
 
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Should'nt all these latest posts better be in the alts thread and rosters thread respectively anyway? :V
 

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Hey everyone! A new face here, people from the SourceGaming discord are already familiar with me, but I am WB! Been lurking here on occasion for many years now, so decided to actually open an account.

Hope I enjoy my time here. :)
 

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Now, after I inadvertently glanced upon the fact that there's now a forum entirely dedicated to the speculation of 5mash, I want to address some concerns out of the way right away that I'm fairly positive nobody has mentioned here yet since hype can easily overshadow you into thinking a game series can last forever.

Before I continue, and this will be a long read, I'd like to remind you that I have no hatred towards the Smash series. I'm simply sharing my ideas on how Nintendo will handle the obvious 5mash that will be on the horizon. My ideas may feel a bit unique in comparison to other ideas on here, such as everyone else simply discussing the characters. It's a bit of a turnaround, but I feel this is the best place to share these ideas of mine, so be respectful when reading them and I hope that I, too, am equally respectful in my delivery. My apologies if I offend any Smash fans. With that out of the way, let's begin.

If it wasn't clear already, Sakurai established that Sm4sh would be the last in the series, and I'm expecting the default replies to fall under "you mean his last in the series" no, that's not what I mean at all. Sure, you could argue that Nintendo would just continue it without him since it's a very popular series, and well that will most likely happen, there's just as big of a chance they would respect him and cancel it. I will go more on about this later, but for now, I will elaborate on how Nintendo will handle the series in the absence of Sakurai, should they do so.

For those hardcore Smash fans out there, you certainly know the effort that Sakurai put into this series. From the very beginning, he works tons and tons of hours to assure that each entry is of quality and better than the next. With Melee, he pushed all boundaries, added a whole new move and this was, unarguably, the biggest jump in graphics that Nintendo games ever had. Going from 64 to Melee is like going from partially blind to full vision. The detail was breathtaking, the character models actually matched the box art you saw them on. It was an experience that was unforgettable. That's why I admire Melee so much, besides the fact that it's a fun game.

Then comes Brawl, a game that decides to really step up the graphics to the point where it uses the maximum capacity of a Wii disc. At least, for overseas players, as certain Japanese games have succeeded the limits that even Brawl set for a Wii disc, but that's a different topic. Brawl, somehow, looks SIGNIFICANTLY better than Melee. The shading, detail on certain stages and more are just breathtaking, considering that the Wii is simply a minor upgrade from the GameCube. It was mainly thanks to the Wii having full discs that this level of detail was possible, and it makes you wonder how good Melee could have looked if it had full discs to work with. Indeed, it would have been a feat that I can not even imagine. I would talk about Sm4sh, but I don't think it was that much of a leap aside from clothing, hair and aesthetics looking better, alongside models that can actually be zoomed in and still retain detail. Brawl on Dolphin still looks comparable, if not better, depending on how much effort they put into certain skin mods.

And this is just talking about graphics. You all know as well as I do that I don't even have to bring up the gameplay itself, since you all come to these boards to discuss it since there's just so much to bring to talk about. It's amazing, fun, yet also simple. And so you may ask why am I so negative towards the series, despite the mood implying I'd also want a fifth entry. Well, that's because I researched a lot about the series' past and I've come to a conclusion that if a fifth entry is made, it won't be "brand new" in the way that every other entry tries to be.

Consider Sm4sh to be the last one to provide a brand new engine. Now that the Sm4sh engine is so refined, they certainly won't try to remake it a third time. I say third simply cause Brawl clearly still used a good amount of the Melee engine, since most deaths go by very quickly, move execution is still pretty fast at times and some characters retained their unique moves. Sm4sh kind of erased most of those, such as Falco's b-air, Captain Falcon's f-smash battering animation having a second hit when held and so on. Basically, moves that feel like they had a significant difference to the meta. What Sm4sh did to them was rather peculiar, but that's a topic for another time.

What I mean about the engine is that they might very well recycle a lot of stuff from Sm4sh since, should the series only fall on Nintendo's hands, they will want to make sure it meets up to the quality of a true Smash sequel. And without Sakurai leading, Nintendo will really have to make sure not to disappoint fans. My theory is that they will retain all of their most unique first-party editions from Sm4sh (possibly removing full clones like Lucina and Dark Pit), well obviously losing Mega Man and Cloud since those require contracts that they most likely won't be able to renew for the next entry. Now, same engine, recycled characters and a few missing. It's not as bad as it seems, however, since they will most likely add new ones. And I imagine they will contact HAL Laboratory for assistance since they have the biggest history with the franchise besides Sakurai himself, so if they simply add onto an existing game, but give it new menus, graphics and such, it could still be a true 5mash.

Worst-case scenario is they simply port Sm4sh to Switch as is and maybe just call it Sm4sh Deluxe. Obviously not as I typed it, since you know this game has a ridiculously long name already. It would most likely be "Super Smash Bros. for Switch Deluxe" and yes, that's a real thing that could happen. The upside is that it possibly guarantees certain third-parties, such as Cloud, to return, as well as more characters (Sakurai would not mind adding more to an already complete game) from the ballot. Possibly more stages and maybe items, but I doubt the latter of those two will happen unless it's a returning item like the Fan or even Cracker Launcher. Yes, I like the Fan. Many don't for some reason, but I do. The Cracker Launcher, however, did do quite a bit of damage and was quite controversial, so I doubt that will return. But, yes, I see the Sm4sh port as simply adding things. Hell, it might even do a Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and add in Smash Run, since many consider that a missing mode from Wii U. Obviously cause of the whole separate screens thing, but even the 3DS version wanted players to interact on the big map. And the Switch has the power to do this, so it would be very fun and the minigames would be a hoot to play in HD. I would enjoy it a lot myself. And to top it all off, add the unused Ice Climbers data from Wii U. I'm certain many of us would love to see how these little guys were re-imagined since they were finished on the Wii U and were in the final roster until the 3DS failed to handle the Nana AI just as proficiently.

Now, that's all my ideas for how Nintendo could handle it. Sound reasonable? Of course they do! They're probably ideas that many have thought of. But the last idea I have is one that many never think about, since they entrust that Nintendo won't ever cancel the series until Nintendo themselves is history. And that idea is them pulling an EarthBound. What is that idea, you wonder. It's when the EarthBound series came to an end and Nintendo respected the creator enough to not continue it. Assuming Sakurai really had a good bond with Nintendo over the years, they might do the same thing as they did with EarthBound and truly put the series to an end. Of course, provided their idea of Sm4sh Deluxe fails and Sakurai is not interested.

You are now thinking "Sakurai also said Melee would be the last, as well as Brawl" well, I have thought about this as well, don't you worry. Remember Mr. Iwata? He's the guy that saved the Pokémon franchise! Besides that, of course, he was the previous president of Nintendo. Sakurai was indeed going to make Melee his last, but Iwata (one of his best friends) approached him and asked him to make Brawl (after announcing it, much to Sakurai's surprise), but did not force it upon him. Iwata said that if he refuses, they would instead port Melee to Wii with added online functionality and nothing more. Sakurai then realized that would be a lazy effort and decided to satisfy the fans since it was announced as a new game to the public.

Then comes Sm4sh. Iwata, once again, convinced Sakurai to make it. And Sakurai also wanted the series to be portable. So, it was a win-win situation. But this time, well you would figure Sakurai would love the series to both be portable and powerful, everyone is unsure if he would go through the effort to make a fifth entry. Iwata is no longer with us, as you know. It's sad, but it's also true that without Iwata, nobody else can really convince Sakurai to make the fifth entry. And as such, we could argue that Nintendo might do their backup plan this time around, that being to port Sm4sh to the Switch with added features, like how Melee was going to be on the Wii.

My final theory on this whole thread is that Nintendo might very well do that last option, should Sakurai refuse to help with Sm4sh Deluxe, let alone make a brand new game for the Switch. They would have to renew their contracts for Mega Man, Cloud and the liking, but those characters were only added almost a couple of years ago, so that would not be any trouble. Then they just add Ice Climbers, maybe Smash Run as a new game mode and you got yourselves a Sm4sh port to the Switch, albeit adding in as much as Nintendo could add on their own with existing assets.

Do all of my ideas sound peculiar to you? I would think so as well if I was the one reading all of this! It's a lot to take in for a speculation forum, I know, but I didn't know where else to put it and I've had these ideas on my mind for quite a while now as to how the newest Smash would be handled. If you agree or disagree, feel free to tell me why or even PM me if you feel your ideas would derail too much from natural discussion and I'll gladly listen to them.

FOR THOSE THAT DO NOT WISH TO READ ALL OF THAT, HERE IS A SYNOPSIS OF MY IDEAS

- Nintendo ports Sm4sh to Switch with as much new content as they can add, such as the unused Ice Climbers data and simply re-texturing Smash Run with added functionality of player interaction on the main map. Assuming their original idea for Brawl was a Melee port if Sakurai refused, this makes the most sense as a last resort.

- They convince Sakurai to make Sm4sh Deluxe, only going further beyond Nintendo's own ideas, well also adding in brand new characters and either existing or new stages.

- HAL Laboratory will be contacted to work on a brand new entry for the Switch that will try to retain the quality of the series as much as Sakurai would. This seems unlikely to happen, but that doesn't mean it couldn't.

- Nintendo cancels the Smash series, similar to how they respected the creator of EarthBound, and simply re-release the series on Virtual Console for years to come. Many love Melee anyway and dislike the new games for being easier, so many would not be offended by this if the Switch simply has Melee with online capabilities. And no, Nintendo would not re-balance it since it's Virtual Console. They never change up their old games unless they had material in them back then that would be considered offensive today.

That is basically the shorter version of all of this. Hope I was not too much of an earful on everyone.
 
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What do you think the chances of another character from the Yoshi series being added in Smash 5. Ever Since 64, It's been :yoshi64: and only :4yoshi:. I can see them adding one of 3 characters

1. Kamek. Kamek's the primary antagonist of the series. He's appeared in all the games ( Minus Story) and also gets appearances in the regular Mario Games (Like NSMB). The main thing that's holding him back is the fact that apperantly all Magikoopas are called "Kamek" in Japan, so he's just a regular one over there.

2. Baby Mario. Also a regular in the Yoshi series (Though judging by Woolly World and Yoshi Switch, that might be coming to an end). Something holding him back is the lack of moveset ideas (But Judging by :4pacman: and:4wiifit:, that shouldn't be much of an issue), and the fact that you'd be beating up a newborn.

3. Yarn Yoshi. Yarn's way of getting in s different than Kamek and Baby Mario's. He'd most likely be originally an alt of :yoshi2:, and if there's enough time pre-release, they'd make him his own character a-la :4darkpit:.

Of course, there's always the chance it will stay at just :yoshimelee:. Don't know if I should get my hopes up...
 

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A new Yoshi character? Been a very long while since that was discussed. And I think that Yarn Yoshi is easily the best choice. Why? Because there isn't much to work with outside of Yoshi himself, and I feel uncomfortable with Baby Mario as well as there being yet another Mario alternative in Smash, who's not even from the Mario franchise. :rolleyes:

Yarn Yoshi would make a fine semi-clone. And truely, it's the best possible thing they could do. A more floaty lightweight Yoshi would be fun to play as.
 

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What do you think the chances of another character from the Yoshi series being added in Smash 5. Ever Since 64, It's been :yoshi64: and only :4yoshi:. I can see them adding one of 3 characters

1. Kamek. Kamek's the primary antagonist of the series. He's appeared in all the games ( Minus Story) and also gets appearances in the regular Mario Games (Like NSMB). The main thing that's holding him back is the fact that apperantly all Magikoopas are called "Kamek" in Japan, so he's just a regular one over there.

2. Baby Mario. Also a regular in the Yoshi series (Though judging by Woolly World and Yoshi Switch, that might be coming to an end). Something holding him back is the lack of moveset ideas (But Judging by :4pacman: and:4wiifit:, that shouldn't be much of an issue), and the fact that you'd be beating up a newborn.

3. Yarn Yoshi. Yarn's way of getting in s different than Kamek and Baby Mario's. He'd most likely be originally an alt of :yoshi2:, and if there's enough time pre-release, they'd make him his own character a-la :4darkpit:.

Of course, there's always the chance it will stay at just :yoshimelee:. Don't know if I should get my hopes up...
I think between those three Yarn Yoshi has the best shot of happening, he could easily end up an alternate costume, a clone or a semi-clone given the fact the most recent Yoshi game, and the next one coming down the line in 2018 use the Yarn aethestic, keeping the character prominent and relevant within the Yoshi series and thereby on the radar of the devs if Smash Switch happens in the next few years. (Currently expecting the game, if it's being worked on, to be released in either 2018 if it's an enhanced port or 2019 if it's a Splatoon 2 type of deal)

Kamek I think is a long-shot candidate, but a candidate nonetheless. I think there are a ton of other characters who out-rank him in terms of popularity, as well as prominence within the Mario series (which the Yoshi series is heavily linked to), and I am unsure how much desire there would even be to include a new Mario character in favour of unrepresented IP or other major characters from the other franchises. That's not even taking into consideration what characters from outside of Nintendo are being looked at, either. I do think though when it comes to other Mario antagonists he's the only one with enough of a case to feasibly be a considered new addition. An AT Kamek or a continued stage hazard Kamek is probs the best we are gonna get for him in the forseeable future.

I've seen the idea of the Baby Mario Bros. be thrown around before, and I think they could do fun things with that by basing the moveset off Mario and Luigi: Partner's in Time, but they are in the same position as Kamek are in but worse. (Or at least from my point of view).
 

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Isabelle would cover the role as the assistant fighter. I guess I would prefer her over Tom Nook, which I don't know what people see in him anymore. He's just your typical store manager. That's I how see him now. His role in The Villager's final smash really put me off.
 

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Isabelle would cover the role as the assistant fighter. I guess I would prefer her over Tom Nook, which I don't know what people see in him anymore. He's just your typical store manager. That's I how see him now. His role in The Villager's final smash really put me off.
Someone's getting their kneecaps broken due to not paying their debt off tomorrow...
 

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On the topic of Animal Crossing while I think Isabelle is certainly a good option for future Animal Crossing characters I find the idea of K.K. Slider more compelling, personally. A bard archetype is something we don't have, and Slider could be exactly that.
 

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Isabelle is the New (Leaf) face of the series while Tom Nook is simply just a reoccurring character with a consistent role.

If I bet on any new Animal Crossing character, I'm going to bet on the one that made it in Mario Kart.
 

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Nintendo cancels the Smash series, similar to how they respected the creator of EarthBound, and simply re-release the series on Virtual Console for years to come.
I doubt that. As long as Nintendo as a company exist, they want to ensure the companys future and make as much money as possible obviously. And with Smash being one of the major franchises, it wouldn't make sense at all to cancel the series. Comparing it to Earthbound doesn't make sense too, since EB never was a very successful franchise and the actual story was told after the third entry.

What do you think the chances of another character from the Yoshi series being added in Smash 5
Chances are low I think. If they wanted, they would have alredy added Baby Mario and Kamek, which would also better fit as Mario reps. The only other one I can think of is Poochy. I'd enjoy him to be honest.
 

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Chances are low I think. If they wanted, they would have alredy added Baby Mario and Kamek, which would also better fit as Mario reps. The only other one I can think of is Poochy. I'd enjoy him to be honest.
I honestly expect Yarn Yoshi if anything. Judging by Switch and the 3ds Remake, it's the series' future. I'd prefer Kamek though.
 

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I doubt that. As long as Nintendo as a company exist, they want to ensure the companys future and make as much money as possible obviously. And with Smash being one of the major franchises, it wouldn't make sense at all to cancel the series. Comparing it to Earthbound doesn't make sense too, since EB never was a very successful franchise and the actual story was told after the third entry.
Still, Nintendo is known for respecting video game creators' decisions. They insisted on Star Fox for Wii, but the developers refused since they thought the Wii was a "toy" and so Nintendo said they should do one on the DS. They were naturally interested since it would be the first portable entry in the series.

Like I said, these are ideas. Smash is a series that uses a ton of Nintendo icons, but my reasoning for why Nintendo would cancel it is because they did not approve of it in the first place and, as I said, Sakurai was responsible for the majority of the development. I never said it was a guarantee, either, but don't say it couldn't happen. I'm still leaning towards Nintendo porting Sm4sh since that makes sense. It's a popular franchise, they've ported old games to new hardware before (not Virtual Console, but ports, such as Twilight Princess from GameCube to Wii) and they would certainly want to port it so it can come out within a year of the launch of the Switch. Making Smash takes a long, long time you know, so it makes sense that they want one for the Switch as soon as possible.

I am personally open to them contacting HAL Laboratory if they make a new one, since Sakurai is for sure done with no one to convince him otherwise. I am fine with them just having Melee on Virtual Console myself or porting Sm4sh, so I don't need a brand new entry. I would not mind a Sm4sh Deluxe either with new characters and stages, or simply returning the unused Ice Climbers assets and porting Smash Run to Switch with HD textures and Wireless Mode for the separate Switch screens, alongside allowing player interaction on the main map.
 

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If it wasn't clear already, Sakurai established that Sm4sh would be the last in the series, and I'm expecting the default replies to fall under "you mean his last in the series" no, that's not what I mean at all.
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._bros_for_wii_u_may_be_his_last_in_the_series

https://smashboards.com/threads/is-smash-4-the-last-smash-game.425711/


Pretty much every source cites the same Gameinformer interview, so there's no need to keep repeating myself.

My point is, you are completely and totally wrong. You base a huge part of your argument on this notion without knowing what you're actually talking about.


Sakurai never even said it wouldn't be his last entry in the series, let alone THE last entry PERIOD. He just said he "likely" wouldn't continue and its "probably" his last. And he's stated after every single game he treats it like its the last.


That being said, pretty much everyone basically expects Sakurai not to come back anyway.


You can't just come into this and make a flat statement like this without citing a source. Ok, you can. But if you're wrong, you WILL get called out on it. Cite. Your. Sources. If you have another source, I'm not finding it.
 

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I honestly expect Yarn Yoshi if anything. Judging by Switch and the 3ds Remake, it's the series' future. I'd prefer Kamek though.
Yarn Yoshi makes the most sense, at least we get one newcomer for the series. But yeah, I'd totally prefer Kamek too. He's very important for the franchise.

I would not mind a Sm4sh Deluxe either with new characters and stages, or simply returning the unused Ice Climbers assets and porting Smash Run to Switch with HD textures and Wireless Mode for the separate Switch screens, alongside allowing player interaction on the main map.
Sure, the possibility they cancel Smash in respect for Sakurai is there, but even if they do, I'd say at least a port is guaranteed. Though I think they plan a complete new entry to promote the Switch sales. Seems obvious to me after all the franchises that have already been confirmed to get to the Switch (XB, Kirby, Yoshi, Pokemon, FE etc).
 

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I really dislike to hate every peice of content that Animal Crossing has in Smash except for that 3DS stage and the Villager, but I can't deny that it has enouugh merits to have 2-3 characters playable.

Kid Icarus and Kirby have 3 so I don't see anything preventing AC having 3 apart from time and moveset issues.
Speaking of Kirby it should have 4 characters. The perfect number imo. Bandana Dee obviosly.
 

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I have a question about mechanics (I dont know if this question has been asked or not because the thread is so old so i dont want go looking for it) do you think ledge trumping will be in smash 5? What mechanics do you think smash 5 will have? I think smash 4 is a pretty good pace so I dont think sakurai will make it any faster or slower.
 

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Shield tiers and special tag-out moves to rotate between characters are two new mechanic ideas.
 

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I really dislike to hate every peice of content that Animal Crossing has in Smash except for that 3DS stage and the Villager, but I can't deny that it has enouugh merits to have 2-3 characters playable.

Kid Icarus and Kirby have 3 so I don't see anything preventing AC having 3 apart from time and moveset issues.
Speaking of Kirby it should have 4 characters. The perfect number imo. Bandana Dee obviosly.
Isn't Magalor a pretty common request over in Japan? (Totally agree next Kirby character in line is Bandana Dee just keep hearing the Japanese want Magalor to make the cut)

And hey, on the topic on Yarn stuff from earlier, I always felt Prince Fluff would make for a pretty cool character even if I never found him particularly likely.
 
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Isn't Magalor a pretty common request over in Japan? (Totally agree next Kirby character in line is Bandana Dee just keep hearing the Japanese want Magalor to make the cut)

And hey, on the topic on Yarn stuff from earlier, I always felt Prince Fluff would make for a pretty cool character even if I never found him particularly likely.
Japanese support for Waddle Dee is actually higher, but they're both common requests.
 
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