Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Ugh, I can't break past 1,886,120 on Inkling's Classic. I got Samus to 1,944,050, so IDK what the heck is going on. I even had to use a ticket on Samus' run, but that somehow doesn't lower the score.

I also had a run where I got two perfects on Inkling's, but the match where you fight Ness, Mewtwo, and Shulk killed it. Sigh...

 

[staindgrey]

Is there anyone who you really don't want in as DLC?

JRPG protagonists.

I mean, good for people who want them if they get in. Hooray. But I don't generally play those games, and visually, they all kind of clump together in one generic-looking group when you don't have any attachment to or knowledge of the characters.

So its funny when you're being crotch taunted only for the guy to die as soon as you come back into the game

My favorite was when a guy teabagged me when I SD'd, then I dropped down, let him roll past me like he frequently had already, and just Fsmashed him for the KO. Then I pushed the stick as lightly as possible to casually walk across the stage.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

While I'm watching Yu Yu Hakusho. I want to ask what the chances are we're getting an Nintendo Direct this week?

 

[Pakky]

JRPG protagonists.

I mean, good for people who want them if they get in. Hooray. But I don't generally play those games, and visually, they all kind of clump together in one generic-looking group when you don't have any attachment to or knowledge of the characters.

Which is why had a better reception than say

 

[Captain Shwampy]

YELLS LOUDLY

REPLACE SHADOW WITH MIGHTY!

ew

keep rejects like mighty and ray away from the main cast

I dont want a worse ugly sonic and tails clone in these games.
The most bottom of the barrel we can get are those animaniacs looking losers from sonic the fighters

 

[Robertman2]

Boost is tiring. Forces and Unleashed are medicore. Generations and Colors are good but half the game is 2D.

Adventure is still the best 3D Sonic by a mile.

 

[Deleted member]

While I'm watching Yu Yu Hakusho. I want to ask what the chances are we're getting an Nintendo Direct this week?

Pretty low IMO. There's still a chance it could get announced tomorrow, but normally we would have already heard about it unless it's a mini.

 

[Pakky]

ew

keep rejects like mighty and ray away from the main cast

I dont want a worse ugly sonic and tails clone in these games.
The most bottom of the barrel we can get are those animaniacs looking losers from sonic the fighters

So you don't want Shadow?

 

[Robertman2]

Also make Shadow 2. With a hard M rating

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

While I'm watching Yu Yu Hakusho. I want to ask what the chances are we're getting an Nintendo Direct this week?

I'd say 50/50

Nintendo usually likes to have their directs within the first two weeks of the month, and the rumors of a Direct this month are running pretty rampant

Is there anyone who you really don't want in as DLC?

Banjo Kazooie... Sue me
Plz don't sue me... I'm just a guy who really wants Steve...

 

[PsySmasher]

While I'm watching Yu Yu Hakusho. I want to ask what the chances are we're getting an Nintendo Direct this week?

It's a toss up at this point.

If there is one, it'll probably be announced tomorrow. Otherwise, it'll probably be next week.

 

[KarneraMythos]

I’m by no means an expert on 3rd parties, but I definitely feel that 3rd parties should be “legacy” series and characters. It shouldn’t be “oh, that game came out last year and is super popular? ADD IT!”.

Joker's not as niche as you think. He has ties to one of the oldest role-playing video games in history, and his spin-off expanded on the relationship between the summon and the summoner. Everyone has their preferences whether you're a Persona fan or a classic MegaTen fan, but there's no denying that the former does characterization and world-building properly.

There is a unique identity to Joker and Persona as a whole that makes his inclusion that much more exciting and praise-worthy in Smash. If we only went purely on legacy, success, and recognizability with the entirety of the world populace, we wouldn't have the roster Ultimate has now. Normies have Mario and Pikachu already. That should be enough to entice them.

 

[staindgrey]

While I'm watching Yu Yu Hakusho. I want to ask what the chances are we're getting an Nintendo Direct this week?

Unlikely. I'm banking on next week or the week after, but still in January.

NSMBUD (long name) and M&L:BIS+BJJ (longer name) are coming out on Friday and they already gave us all the info we need on those in a previous direct. I think they'll avoid overshadowing their guaranteed moneymakers (people buy Mario games on impulse without being told why they should) and announce new games after they've been on shelves for a week or two.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

So you don't want Shadow?

Shadow design is good and different enough from sonic (Gold aura, chaos powers, skating animation, red streaks, based off the 2000s version of cool to parallel what sonic was cool to the 90s, a perfect doppleganger design for sonic)

Mighty is just dark sonic with a shield

 

[staindgrey]

Boost is tiring. Forces and Unleashed are medicore. Generations and Colors are good but half the game is 2D.

Adventure is still the best 3D Sonic by a mile.

Agree to heavily disagree.

Adventure, then Adventure 2, were my favorite Sonic games in Jr. High. But they aged like milk.

And how dare you put Unleashed and Forces in the same category.

 

[Bionichute]

forces is good but the story is an absolute mess

what are we talking about

 

[Deleted member]

I’m by no means an expert on 3rd parties, but I definitely feel that 3rd parties should be “legacy” series and characters. It shouldn’t be “oh, that game came out last year and is super popular? ADD IT!”

The concept of third parties in Smash should be reserved, in my humble opinion, for characters that are iconic to the series they come from, have a gaming legacy (something I believe Sakurai has addressed) and popular appeal. There are many characters that I feel address all three, and those should be the characters chosen.

While I am not a fan of Steve as a Smash pick, Minecraft does bear a legacy. I still do not believe he’s in, but that’s a separate conversation to be had. Fortnite, while popular, does not have a legacy. It may have a legacy in the future, but that has to be proven.

All other 3rd parties (Save for Bayo) bear a sort of gaming legacy or a reason to call them a gaming icon. It’s not something I can prove, but I would argue that the 3rd parties we have also outshine several that are brought up online and on forums.

I would say that, as a 3rd Party, if you aren’t as recognizable or well known in the gaming community as Rayman or Joker, chances are more against you than in your favor. This obviously includes Japanese popularity. Persona and SMT may be niche in the US, but are crazy big in Japan. You need the popularity in both regions to succeed.

That isn’t necessarily provable either, but this seems to be the same thing that weave always seen. A new 3rd party gets in, so now everyone and their mother of 3rd parties are considered more likely. This happens every time. It happened for Brawl, it happened for Wii U, and it’s happening again now.

I’d temper expectations, but I also wouldn’t buy that leak going around until we get actual proof.

TBH I think we all over think it.

Nintendo chooses characters they believe will be popular, and that of course includes recent characters. Characters more prominent in recent memory are more likely to garner a positive reaction from the market as a whole, rather than just a respective game's fanbase.

A lot of the points you raised are honestly pretty subjective. Characters needing a "legacy" to be considered feels like a typical fan limitation put on this game's speculation for very arbitrary reasons. Honestly, I still consider anyone viable as long as Nintendo wants to make it happen. We as fans like moving the goal posts after every reveal, when in all truth we are very rarely right about how the selection process actually goes.

 

[staindgrey]

Tokyo Mirage Sessions

I still have that sitting on my shelf unplayed.

Yet I've listened to the soundtrack all the way through probably five times.

 

[Will]

THIS IS NOT A DRILL
I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A DRILL

GO ON TOON LINK'S TIPS FROM THE MENU AND READ THE DESCRIPTION FOR HIS ---> SWORD PLANT <--- MOVE

HE WAS ALREADY HERE FORM THE START​

 

[staindgrey]

Will , I am nowhere near my Switch.

Just tell me.

 

[GoeGoe]

I’m by no means an expert on 3rd parties, but I definitely feel that 3rd parties should be “legacy” series and characters. It shouldn’t be “oh, that game came out last year and is super popular? ADD IT!”

The concept of third parties in Smash should be reserved, in my humble opinion, for characters that are iconic to the series they come from, have a gaming legacy (something I believe Sakurai has addressed) and popular appeal. There are many characters that I feel address all three, and those should be the characters chosen.

While I am not a fan of Steve as a Smash pick, Minecraft does bear a legacy. I still do not believe he’s in, but that’s a separate conversation to be had. Fortnite, while popular, does not have a legacy. It may have a legacy in the future, but that has to be proven.

All other 3rd parties (Save for Bayo) bear a sort of gaming legacy or a reason to call them a gaming icon. It’s not something I can prove, but I would argue that the 3rd parties we have also outshine several that are brought up online and on forums.

I would say that, as a 3rd Party, if you aren’t as recognizable or well known in the gaming community as Rayman or Joker, chances are more against you than in your favor. This obviously includes Japanese popularity. Persona and SMT may be niche in the US, but are crazy big in Japan. You need the popularity in both regions to succeed.

That isn’t necessarily provable either, but this seems to be the same thing that weave always seen. A new 3rd party gets in, so now everyone and their mother of 3rd parties are considered more likely. This happens every time. It happened for Brawl, it happened for Wii U, and it’s happening again now.

I’d temper expectations, but I also wouldn’t buy that leak going around until we get actual proof.

Hi

 

[Idon]

I’m by no means an expert on 3rd parties, but I definitely feel that 3rd parties should be “legacy” series and characters. It shouldn’t be “oh, that game came out last year and is super popular? ADD IT!”

The concept of third parties in Smash should be reserved, in my humble opinion, for characters that are iconic to the series they come from, have a gaming legacy (something I believe Sakurai has addressed) and popular appeal. There are many characters that I feel address all three, and those should be the characters chosen.

While I am not a fan of Steve as a Smash pick, Minecraft does bear a legacy. I still do not believe he’s in, but that’s a separate conversation to be had. Fortnite, while popular, does not have a legacy. It may have a legacy in the future, but that has to be proven.

All other 3rd parties (Save for Bayo) bear a sort of gaming legacy or a reason to call them a gaming icon. It’s not something I can prove, but I would argue that the 3rd parties we have also outshine several that are brought up online and on forums.

I would say that, as a 3rd Party, if you aren’t as recognizable or well known in the gaming community as Rayman or Joker, chances are more against you than in your favor. This obviously includes Japanese popularity. Persona and SMT may be niche in the US, but are crazy big in Japan. You need the popularity in both regions to succeed.

That isn’t necessarily provable either, but this seems to be the same thing that weave always seen. A new 3rd party gets in, so now everyone and their mother of 3rd parties are considered more likely. This happens every time. It happened for Brawl, it happened for Wii U, and it’s happening again now.

I’d temper expectations, but I also wouldn’t buy that leak going around until we get actual proof.

Personally, I agree, wholeheartedly.

But we all know that if Nintendo were to choose, they're not going to with Nier or Caim, they're going to go with 2B.

From a business standpoint, it would make no sense to not pick the characters you know are already popular with the current audience than those that have a legacy only die-hard fans are interested in.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

THIS IS NOT A DRILL
I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A DRILL

GO ON TOON LINK'S TIPS FROM THE MENU AND READ THE DESCRIPTION FOR HIS ---> SWORD PLANT <--- MOVE

HE WAS ALREADY HERE FORM THE START​

That's been there since Smash 4, funnily enough...

Besides, Sans is already in the game

 

[Deleted member]

Will , I am nowhere near my Switch.

Just tell me.

Sanes Deltatale is dunking the roster as a Ness Echo.

 

[Pakky]

Shadow design is good and different enough from sonic (Gold aura, chaos powers, skating animation, red streaks, based off the 2000s version of cool to parallel what sonic was cool to the 90s, a perfect doppleganger design for sonic)

Mighty is just dark sonic with a shield

...

He's literally confused for Sonic in the game's canon...

I mean liking Shadow is fine but gameplay and design wise Mighty is different.

Also EVIL/ Parallel Sonic was done before Shadow.

Knuckles could be seen as an inverse of Sonic.

Metal is basically EVIL sonic.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Is there anyone who you really don't want in as DLC?

Banjo Kazooie and Geno for being painfully boring
Mortal Kombat due to my pettiness although I'd likely warm up to it overtime
Dragon Quest stuff due to Sugiyama but there's no point for me to throw a fit as it's all but confirmed

 

[Will]

Will , I am nowhere near my Switch.

Just tell me.

That's been there since Smash 4, funnily enough...

Besides, Sans is already in the game

FROM THE VERY START

 

[Opossum]

Which is why had a better reception than say

In literally what world was Incineroar more well-received than Chrom?

 

[Pakky]

In literally what world was Incineroar more well-received than Chrom?

Box memes
Tag team memes

Cat memes.

nothing, not positive not negative. He's one of the best FE guys but yeah.

 

[Idon]

In literally what world was Incineroar more well-received than Chrom?

this one

 

[Deleted member]

I think im going to try and learn for the lols(9 anyone?)

 

[RyuhoFox]

Agree to heavily disagree.

Adventure, then Adventure 2, were my favorite Sonic games in Jr. High. But they aged like milk.

And how dare you put Unleashed and Forces in the same category.

Honestly I think adventures Sonic, Tails, and Adventures 2 Sonic and Shadow stages hold up to a degree but the rest of the games didnt age well at all. The speed stages not much better. Honestly when it comes to the boost formula I found Sonic Rush and Adventure super fun, Unleashed was really fun if you were just playing the stage imo. Colors was really fun for the most part. Generations was great imo. Forces was...meh, felt like a step back.

 

[ZaneHitsurugi]

Personally, I agree, wholeheartedly.

But we all know that if Nintendo were to choose, they're not going to with Nier or Caim, they're going to go with 2B.

From a business standpoint, it would make no sense to not pick the characters you know are already popular with the current audience than those that have a legacy only die-hard fans are interested in.

TBH Caim can **** off forever. Drakengard 1 was one of the worst games that I've ever played. Bury this man and this game forever.

 

[Opossum]

this one

The aftermath of the Grinch Hoax begs to differ.

Box memes
Tag team memes

Cat memes.

nothing, not positive not negative. He's one of the best FE guys but yeah.

Got His Chance memes.

 

[Robertman2]

Agree to heavily disagree.

Adventure, then Adventure 2, were my favorite Sonic games in Jr. High. But they aged like milk.

And how dare you put Unleashed and Forces in the same category.

Unleashed has the Werehog. It's even worse than Forces tbh

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The aftermath of the Grinch Hoax begs to differ.

Got His Chance memes.

Plant got most of the hate but yeah people were pissed at Incineroar because they fooled themselves into thinking Sakurai was kidding when he kept emphasizing that we shouldn't expect many newcomers to the point he said "We may have shown off too much already"

 

[Idon]

TBH Caim can **** off forever. Drakengard 1 was one of the worst games that I've ever played. Bury this man and this game forever.

The drakengard series and nier are really interesting stories...

With uh... not good gameplay.
Or framerate.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

The aftermath of the Grinch Hoax begs to differ.

Got His Chance memes.

Not if Noipoi , @GoldenYuiitusin, and I have anything to say about it
EDIT: And Pakky

 

[Deleted member]

Agree to heavily disagree.

Adventure, then Adventure 2, were my favorite Sonic games in Jr. High. But they aged like milk.

And how dare you put Unleashed and Forces in the same category.

I adore the Adventure games, but Sonic controling like he's trying to ice skate drunk in those compared to Color's and Generation's tight platforming controls makes me have to give it to those two. Colors is honestly my favorite Sonic game, and is where the series peaked IMO.

 

[staindgrey]

In literally what world was Incineroar more well-received than Chrom?

Chrom was in the background of Simon and K. Rool's big debut.
Incineroar was the only newcomer in a direct people actually believed would have Isaac, Geno, Shadow and Banjo & Kazooie. Instead they got a Pokemon and the knowledge that the roster was final.

I love Chrom and all, but their debuts were very different. I think outside of the immediate Smash community, casual gamers will certainly get more excited by the tiger version of John Cena than another Fire Emblem character.