Smashboards Creates: SSB If It Was Created During the Switch Era

Pupp135 · Jul 21, 2024

This was influenced by an incomplete thread, and I decided to make a thread where make something where SSB was created during the Switch Era.

Rules:

Please be respectful to others! Debate is welcome, but please keep it civil.
While this is a scenario where SSB did not exist before the Switch (we decided on a Holiday 2021 release timeline), I encourage you to submit the characters/content YOU want, not just the ones you think would be most marketable.
Non-Videogame content will be excluded.

I’m in agreement with Knee about avoiding any super complex UI gimmicks or comeback mechanics. I think our point of reference for complexity should be Brawl. We can have stuff like Wario Waft or Olimar’s Pikmin management, but less so Hero’s spell menu, and so forth. Let’s play a little neater within the lines of archetypes.

I think otherwise it should play more or less like Ultimate, as Pupp said. I’m okay with keeping side specials around, I think it would have been a natural feeling thing to implement even without the prior experience. But it could be interesting to explore without it! I’m pretty go with the flow on this stuff and I’ll just play by the rules once we establish them.

Something I do want to propose though - a proper EX meter. Final Smashes would be more unified in function similar to a super in Street Fighter or Guilty Gear. And just as well, a sufficient charge may provide a stronger version of a special attack. If we’re not going to explore individual character meters, maybe it would be appropriate to give everyone their own.


Mario (Super Mario) Moveset Recolors Alts (Refer to 7 and 8)
Princess Peach (Super Mario) Moveset Recolors
Princess Daisy (Super Mario)
Bowser (Super Mario) Moveset Recolors
Luigi (Super Mario) Moveset Recolors
Yoshi (Super Mario) Moveset
Donkey Kong (Donkey Kong) Moveset Recolors
Link (Legend of Zelda) Moveset Alts
Princess Zelda (Legend of Zelda) Moveset Recolors
Samus Aaran (Metroid) Moveset Recolors
Edelgard (Fire Emblem) Moveset Recolors
Kirby (Kirby) Moveset Recolors
King Dedede (Kirby) Moveset
Pokemon Trainer (Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Eevee) (Pokemon) Moveset Recolors
Sami (Advance Wars)
Isabelle (Animal Crossing) Moveset Alts
Tom Nook (Animal Crossing)
Pikmin & Olimar (Pikmin) Moveset Recolors
Pyra/Mythra (Xenoblade) Moveset Recolors
Inkling (Splatoon) Moveset Alts
Octoling (Splatoon)
Dr. Coyle (ARMS) Moveset Recolors

Battlefield (Series Original)
Final Destination (Series Original)
Princess Peach’s Castle (Super Mario)
Bowser’s Castle (Super Mario/Mario Kart)
New Donk City Hall (Super Mario)
Yoshi’s Island (Yoshi)
Jungle Hijynxs (Donkey Kong)
Great Plateau Tower (Legend of Zelda)
Hyrule Castle (Legend of Zelda)
Gerudo Town (Legend of Zelda)
Brinstar (Metroid)
Garreg Mach Monastery (Fire Emblem)
Cookie Country (Kirby)
Fountain of Dreams (Kirby)
Galar Stadium (Pokemon)
Base (Advance Wars)
Dodo Airlines (Animal Crossing)
Twilight River (Pikmin)
World Tree (Xenoblade)
Urchin Underpass (Splatoon)
Arowana Mall (Splatoon)
NAME REDACTED (ARMS)
Noisy Notebook (Snipper Clips)
NES Remix (Nintendo)

Single Player
Arcade Mode
Smash Adventure
All-Star
Target Test
Home Run Contest
Mob Smash
Training Mode
Multiplayer
Smash (Four player maximum)
Special Smash
Squad Strike
King of the Hill
Stage Builder

King Bob-Omb (Super Mario)
Calamity Ganon (Legend of Zelda)
Kraid (Metroid)
Marx (Kirby)
DJ Octavio (Splatoon)
Gala Bahamut (Series Original)

Series Original	Smash Ball Assist Trophy Food Home Run Bat
Super Mario	Green Shell Blue/Spiny Shell Fire Flower Super Star Ice Flower Coin Super/Tanooki Leaf Super Mushroom Bob-Omb Lightning Bolt
Donkey Kong	Banana G U N Hammer
Yoshi	Egg Bomb
Wario	Wario Bomb
Legend of Zelda	Heart Container Ice Rod Sand Rod Deku Nut Pegasus Boots
Metroid	Screw Attack
Fire Emblem	Nosferatu
Kirby	Star Rod Warp Star Parasol Superspicy Curry
Star Fox	Smart Bomb
Pokemon	Pokeball
Animal Crossing	Pitfall Beehive
Pikmin	Hocotate Bomb
Xenoblade	Core Crystal
Splatoon	Rainmaker
ARMS	Shock Bomb
Misc.	Ultra Hand Labo Piano

Hammer Bro. (Super Mario)
Cosmic Clone (Super Mario)
King Boo (Super Mario)
Cranky Kong (Donkey Kong)
Ducks (Duck Hunt)
Marin (Legend of Zelda)
Guardian (Legend of Zelda)
Metroid (Metroid)
Soren (Fire Emblem’
Captain Falcon (F-Zero)
Kracko (Kirby)
Magolor (Kirby)
Arwing (Star Fox)
Nia (Xenoblade)
Squid Sisters (Splatoon)
Salmonoid (Splatoon)
R.O.B. (Gyromite)
Mallo (Pushmo)
Clip & Snip (Snipperclips)

Magikarp
Scizor


Super Mario	Mario Princess Peach Princess Daisy Bowser Luigi Yoshi King Bob-Omb Hammer Bro Cosmic Clone King Boo Green Shell Blue/Spiny Shell Fire Flower Super Star Ice Flower Coin Super/Tanooki Leaf Super Mushroom Bob-Omb Lightning Bolt Koopa Troopa Piranha Plant Birdo Goomba Mini Mario Toy Mario & Cappy Kooplings Fire Mario Toads Toadette Rosalina Bowser Jr. Boo King Boo Poulterpup Dr. Mario Viruses Pauline Wario Waluigi
Donkey Kong	Donkey Kong Banana G U N Hammer Cranky Kong Diddy Kong Dixie Kong Funky Kong Lanky Kong Cranky Kong Animal Friends (Rambi, Expresso, Squawks, Enguarde, Winky) King. K Rool Lord Frederick Tiki Tong Kong’s Banana Hoard
Legend of Zelda	Link Princess Zelda Calamity Gabon Heart Container Ice Rod Sand Rod Deku Nut Pegasus Boots Guardian Impa Marin Light Arrows Hylia Four Champions Master Sword Agahnim Toy Link Triforce Wind Fish Ocarina of Time Sheik Skull Kid Tingle Midna Zant Ghirahim Sidon Purah
Metroid	Samus Aaran Kraid Metroid Ridley Mother Brain Chozo Statue Anthony Higgs Metroid Prime Dark Samus Sylux EMMI Raven Beak
Fire Emblem	Edelgard Soren Noferatu Marth Lyn Ike Robin & Chrom Corrin Byleth Demitri Claude Rhea Seteth & Flayn Sothis Dorothea Yuri Anna Units’ Class 1 (Mercenary, Mage, Knight, Cavalier, Archer, Pegasus Knight) Units’ Class 2 (Myrmidon, Hunter, Priest, Dark Mage, Soldier, Brigand, Dragon Knight)
Kirby	Kirby King Dedede Marx Star Rod Warp Star Parasol Superspicy Curry Kracko Meta Knight Waddle Dee Magolor Gooey Lololo & Lalala Dyna Blade Bandana Waddle Dee Tarzana & Sectonia Animal Friends Susie Three Mages
Pokemon	Chase Elaine Pikachu Jigglypuff Eevee Pokeball Magikarp Eevee Kanto Eeveelutions Jhoto Eveelutions Eeveelutions Red & Charizard Blue & Blastoise Leaf & Venusaur Pichu, Raichu, Alolan Raichu Igglybuff, Wigglytuff Professor Oak Meowth Mewtwo Team Magma Team Aqua Cynthia and Garchomp Kukui and Rockru Grooky, Scorbunny, & Scobble
Advance Wars	Sami Andy
Animal Crossing	Isabelle Tom Nook Pitfall Beehive Redd Kapp’n Mabel KK Slider The Able Sisters Dodo Airlines (Orville and Wilbur) Lottie Timmy and Tommy Tortimer
Pikmin	Pikmin & Olimar Hocotate Bomb Alph Charlie Brittany Louie Emperor Bulbax Bulborb Plasm Wraith Hocotate Ship
Xenoblade	Pyra Mythra Nia Core Crystal Shulk Fiora Reyn Melia Elma Rex Pneuma Zeke & Pandoria Tora & Poppi Morag and Brighid Malos Jin Lora Amathus
Splatoon	Inkling Octoling DJ Octavio Squid Sisters C. Q. Cumber Commander Tarter Enemy Octoling Off the Hook Inkling (Squid Form) Mr. Grizz Cap’n Cuddlefish Octocopter Rainmaker Judd & Li Judd
ARMS	Dr. Coyle Shock Bomb Spring Man Ribbon Girl Ninjara Mechanica Min Min Max Brass Master Mummy Lola Pop Byte & Barq
Misc	Ducks (Duck Hunt) R.O.B. (Gyromite) Captain Falcon (F-Zero) Arwing (Star Fox) Mallo (Pushmo) Clip & Snip (Snipperclips) Ultra Hand Smart Bomb (Star Fox) Yoshi Bomb (Yoshi) Wario Bomb (Wario) Labo Piano (Labo) Mach Rider (Mach Rider) Dog and Ducks (Duck Hunt) Little Mac (Punch-Out!!) Foreman Spike (Wrecking Crew) Popo (Ice Climber) Excitebike Rider (Excitebike) Doshin the Giant Takamaru (The Mysterious Murasume Castle) Pit (Kid Icarus) Ayumi Tachibana (Famicon Detective Club) Ness (Mother) Lip (Panel de Pon) Saki (Sin & Punishment) Isaac (Golden Sun) Starfy (The Legendary Starfy) Trainer (Wii Fit) Dragonblood Prince (Dragalia Lost)

Before we start going into characters, I want to start with two different jobs as this will affect the decisions of who are eligible to join. For now, we’ll have Mario and Link as the first two confirmed fighters.

Job 1: How should Pokemon (Pokemon Company is technically not fully owned by Nintendo) and Third Parties be treated for Base Game? In this case, what is the maximum number of pokemon and third party characters allowed?

I’m fine with leaving the door open to Pokemon and third parties. As this is the first game, and there probably won’t be more than thirty fighters base game, I’ll propose a limit of three pokemon and two third party fighters. In the case of Pokemon, it allows us to add another fighter outside of Pikachu and a potential promotional pick.

Job 2: What is the timeline for the game’s release? This will affect who’s eligible as some characters may debut during the Switch era.
I think a late 2019/early 2020 release window would be good as it still allows for Switch era Legend of Zelda, Fire Emblem, Pokemon (assuming that we’re allowing Pokemon content), and Xenoblade games to be represented.

KneeOfJustice99 · Jul 21, 2024

Job #01: Perhaps controversially, if only because I think it'd be interesting, I'd say that second and third parties shouldn't be allowed in the base roster at all. It opens up a lot of space for more unusual or other interesting picks that might otherwise get superceded. The sole exception to this would probably be HAL, because they're presumably developing the game. Hence, no Intelligent Systems, Platinum Games, Pokemon Company, etc. (DLC would probably be a good place to put some of these developers at the forefront, though.) Bear in mind that stuff by, say, Monolith Soft or Retro Studios is still fair game.

Job #02: I think 2021 holiday season (let's say December for argument's sake) would be pretty neat. It lets more Switch-era stuff get pulled in (like New Horizons, for instance) as well as the other stuff mentioned like Breath of the Wild and Xenoblade Chronicles 2, plus it's deep enough into the era to allow for decent cross-promotional picks here and there for things like Dread or the NSO Expansion Pack.

DragonRobotKing26 · Jul 21, 2024

Job 1: of course that we can add pokémons, Pikachu is very obvious,while others can be happen to join in Smash,and wilhe 3rd Parties,can be obvious too,the most obious choices could be Sonic

Job 2: i'm also on Knee's side,2021 is a good choice

BritishGuy54 · Jul 22, 2024

Job 1: No Third Parties. And let’s have some fun here. No second parties until DLC. Yes, that means HAL is not allowed either.

Job 2: Winter 2019 release date

Champion of Hyrule · Jul 22, 2024

I don’t think not having second parties makes much sense at all tbh, it’s Pokemon of course nintendos gonna try to add it in the base game, and I don’t think we necessarily need a restriction. I dont think third parties should be in the base roster though.

Honestly, I think we could just set the release date for like early 2025, could be fun to envision this as a sort of cap off to the Switch era.

darkvortex · Jul 22, 2024

Take Ultimate 's release of late 2018. "Nintendo Crossover Project" would be put into development during the Wii U era. This project would then be moved to the Switch era, designed to be a big launch for their new platform. Like most modern multiplayer games it would be designed with DLC in mind.

Yes to second parties. Pokemon would likey be expensive and thus will only get a select few characters. No third parties in base.

Kind of creation thread outed and smash outed so idk if I'll post much but I like the idea

Northsouthmap · Jul 22, 2024

Job 1: Pokemon are allowed for base game and DLC. Third parties are allowed for DLC.

Job 2: Either 2019 or 2023, in which Nintendo released movies based on their games

Louie G. · Jul 23, 2024

Job 1: Base roster is first party only, DLC allows third parties but not base roster. Unless Namco is still developing, and under that circumstance I think Pac-Man could be an exception.

Since it might get a bit clumsy otherwise, “second party” is allowed. But personally I would not mind if we didn’t add Pokemon, or at least limited the number we could add to 2-3. I have to imagine TPC is a bit more of a stickler nowadays, and much of Smash’s freedom is granted by its already proven success and history with Pokemon since the very beginning.

Job 2: Honestly cool with whatever, but anywhere 2021 onward sounds good since it will safely allow the game to accommodate a lot more Switch stuff than Ultimate did. Almost inclined to just push it to 2024 so we can include Splatoon 3, Pikmin 4 etc but I don’t feel super strong about it one way or the other. Just in favor of second half of the Switch lifespan.

Pupp135 · Jul 23, 2024

Here are the proposals:

Mine

Pupp135 said:
Job 1: How should Pokemon (Pokemon Company is technically not fully owned by Nintendo) and Third Parties be treated for Base Game? In this case, what is the maximum number of pokemon and third party characters allowed?

I’m fine with leaving the door open to Pokemon and third parties. As this is the first game, and there probably won’t be more than thirty fighters base game, I’ll propose a limit of three pokemon and two third party fighters. In the case of Pokemon, it allows us to add another fighter outside of Pikachu and a potential promotional pick.

Job 2: What is the timeline for the game’s release? This will affect who’s eligible as some characters may debut during the Switch era.
I think a late 2019/early 2020 release window would be good as it still allows for Switch era Legend of Zelda, Fire Emblem, Pokemon (assuming that we’re allowing Pokemon content), and Xenoblade games to be represented.

KneeOfJustice99

KneeOfJustice99 said:
Job #01: Perhaps controversially, if only because I think it'd be interesting, I'd say that second and third parties shouldn't be allowed in the base roster at all. It opens up a lot of space for more unusual or other interesting picks that might otherwise get superceded. The sole exception to this would probably be HAL, because they're presumably developing the game. Hence, no Intelligent Systems, Platinum Games, Pokemon Company, etc. (DLC would probably be a good place to put some of these developers at the forefront, though.) Bear in mind that stuff by, say, Monolith Soft or Retro Studios is still fair game.

Job #02: I think 2021 holiday season (let's say December for argument's sake) would be pretty neat. It lets more Switch-era stuff get pulled in (like New Horizons, for instance) as well as the other stuff mentioned like Breath of the Wild and Xenoblade Chronicles 2, plus it's deep enough into the era to allow for decent cross-promotional picks here and there for things like Dread or the NSO Expansion Pack.

DragonRobotKing26

DragonRobotKing26 said:
Job 1: of course that we can add pokémons, Pikachu is very obvious,while others can be happen to join in Smash,and wilhe 3rd Parties,can be obvious too,the most obious choices could be Sonic

Job 2: i'm also on Knee's side,2021 is a good choice

BritishGuy54

BritishGuy54 said:
Job 1: No Third Parties. And let’s have some fun here. No second parties until DLC. Yes, that means HAL is not allowed either.

Champion of Hyrule

Champion of Hyrule said:
I don’t think not having second parties makes much sense at all tbh, it’s Pokemon of course nintendos gonna try to add it in the base game, and I don’t think we necessarily need a restriction. I dont think third parties should be in the base roster though.

Honestly, I think we could just set the release date for like early 2025, could be fun to envision this as a sort of cap off to the Switch era.

D darkvortex

darkvortex said:
Take Ultimate 's release of late 2018. "Nintendo Crossover Project" would be put into development during the Wii U era. This project would then be moved to the Switch era, designed to be a big launch for their new platform. Like most modern multiplayer games it would be designed with DLC in mind.

Yes to second parties. Pokemon would likey be expensive and thus will only get a select few characters. No third parties in base.

Kind of creation thread outed and smash outed so idk if I'll post much but I like the idea

Northsouthmap

Northsouthmap said:
Job 1: Pokemon are allowed for base game and DLC. Third parties are allowed for DLC.

Job 2: Either 2019 or 2023, in which Nintendo released movies based on their games

Louie G.

Louie G. said:
Job 1: Base roster is first party only, DLC allows third parties but not base roster. Unless Namco is still developing, and under that circumstance I think Pac-Man could be an exception.

Since it might get a bit clumsy otherwise, “second party” is allowed. But personally I would not mind if we didn’t add Pokemon, or at least limited the number we could add to 2-3. I have to imagine TPC is a bit more of a stickler nowadays, and much of Smash’s freedom is granted by its already proven success and history with Pokemon since the very beginning.

Job 2: Honestly cool with whatever, but anywhere 2021 onward sounds good since it will safely allow the game to accommodate a lot more Switch stuff than Ultimate did. Almost inclined to just push it to 2024 so we can include Splatoon 3, Pikmin 4 etc but I don’t feel super strong about it one way or the other. Just in favor of second half of the Switch lifespan.

Vote for your three most wanted for each job, where yours is not first.

Job 1 (Second and Third Parties)
1. Darkvortex
2. Mine
3. Louie G.

I don’t want us to go excessive on the third party and pokemon fighters, but I don’t want us to also restrict us out of Kirby, Xenoblade, and Fire Emblem from the base roster either.

Job 2 (Release Timeline)
1. KneeofJustice
2. Mine
3. Darkvortex

In this case, I want us to have a release time that allows us to showcase Switch era games but not right before a new console is released, which could hurt its performance.

Job 3: Submit a Number of Playable Fighters

I’ll stick with 20, which is the same number for NASB and Playstation All-Stars, but I did entertain the idea of 25, which seems like a realistic limit.

Job 4: Submit a Gameplay Proposal

Ultimate’s playstyle is really good in my opinion, and I’d be happy using it here.

KneeOfJustice99 · Jul 23, 2024

Job #01:

Darkvortex.
Louie G.
Champion of Hyrule.

Job #02:

Darkvortex.
Pupp135.
Champion of Hyrule.

Job #03: I'm going to say 21, with the caveat that the 21st character is some kind of "secret" or "bonus" - whether it be a clone, a secret "boss", or a particularly odd pick that fills a similar kind of role.

Job #04: I think it'd help for the sake of simplicity to go with something familiar, but seems as this is the first game in the series... I'd say a Smash 64 inspired moveset. Hence, no side specials, no UI gimmicks, and generally simplistic character concepts that can fill in roles beyond just representing themselves.

Northsouthmap · Jul 23, 2024

Pupp135 said:
Here are the proposals:

Mine

KneeOfJustice99

DragonRobotKing26

BritishGuy54

Champion of Hyrule

D darkvortex

Louie G.

Vote for your three most wanted for each job, where yours is not first.

Job 1 (Second and Third Parties)
1. Darkvortex
2. Mine
3. Louie G.

I don’t want us to go excessive on the third party and pokemon fighters, but I don’t want us to also restrict us out of Kirby, Xenoblade, and Fire Emblem from the base roster either.

Job 2 (Release Timeline)
1. KneeofJustice
2. Mine
3. Darkvortex

In this case, I want us to have a release time that allows us to showcase Switch era games but not right before a new console is released, which could hurt its performance.

Job 3: Submit a Number of Playable Fighters

I’ll stick with 20, which is the same number for NASB and Playstation All-Stars, but I did entertain the idea of 25, which seems like a realistic limit.

Job 4: Submit a Gameplay Proposal

Ultimate’s playstyle is really good in my opinion, and I’d be happy using it here.

You forgot about my proposal

Louie G. · Jul 23, 2024

Job 3: I think Melee is a good point of reference, somewhere around 26 characters. I think if they were able to achieve that back then, they can do it now. Obviously Melee got to build off of 64 a little bit, but combining the development of the two is probably about how much dev time a normal game would take nowadays. Remember that Melee was effectively a rush job.

Which is to say at least a handful of characters probably ought to be derivatives or clones to reach this number. I don’t think it would have to be quite as down to the wire as Melee, so they might be more akin to semiclone status, but nevertheless.

So my final pitch is going to be 24 characters + 4 clones. I think 20 might be cutting it a bit close to do anything really creative with, so the wiggle room is for us to have some fun with wackier pulls. Even if we don’t go with my pitch specifically I hope the points I brought up are something people will think about.

Job 4: I’m in agreement with Knee about avoiding any super complex UI gimmicks or comeback mechanics. I think our point of reference for complexity should be Brawl. We can have stuff like Wario Waft or Olimar’s Pikmin management, but less so Hero’s spell menu, and so forth. Let’s play a little neater within the lines of archetypes.

I think otherwise it should play more or less like Ultimate, as Pupp said. I’m okay with keeping side specials around, I think it would have been a natural feeling thing to implement even without the prior experience. But it could be interesting to explore without it! I’m pretty go with the flow on this stuff and I’ll just play by the rules once we establish them.

Something I do want to propose though - a proper EX meter. Final Smashes would be more unified in function similar to a super in Street Fighter or Guilty Gear. And just as well, a sufficient charge may provide a stronger version of a special attack. If we’re not going to explore individual character meters, maybe it would be appropriate to give everyone their own.

Pupp135 · Jul 24, 2024

Northsouthmap said:
You forgot about my proposal

Sorry about that, and it should be fixed now.

BritishGuy54 · Jul 24, 2024

Job 3: 24 characters + 4 clones

Job 4: Ultimate’s playstyle is fine.

DragonRobotKing26 · Jul 24, 2024

1. Darkvortex
2. Louie G
3. Champion of Hyrule

1. Louie G.
2. Knee of Justice
3. Darkvortex

Northsouthmap · Jul 24, 2024

1. Darkvortex
2. Louie G.
3. Champion of Hyrule

1. KneeOfJustice
2. Pupp135
3. Darkvortex

22 Playable Fighters

DragonRobotKing26 · Jul 24, 2024

Job 3: 26 Fighters

Pupp135 · Jul 25, 2024

Here are the votes:

Pupp135 2

KneeOfJustice99

DragonRobotKing26

BritishGuy54

Champion of Hyrule 3
D darkvortex 12

Northsouthmap

Louie G. 7

Darkvortex’s stance on Pokemon and third-party characters will be applied, so Pokemon are allowed base game but not third parties.

Pupp135 6

KneeOfJustice99 8

DragonRobotKing26

BritishGuy54

Champion of Hyrule 1
D darkvortex 6

Northsouthmap

Louie G. 3

KneeofJustic99’s release date will be used, so holiday 2021 will be the base release timeline.

Here are the nominations for fighter counts:

Pupp135 20

KneeOfJustice99 21

Louie G. /

BritishGuy54 28 (four of which are clones)

Northsouthmap 22

DragonRobotKing26 26

Vote for your three most wanted, where yours is not first.

1. NorthSouthMap
2. KneelfJustice99
3. Louie G. /BritishGuy54

I feel like NorthSouthMap and KneeofJustice give us a little extra wiggle room without going to an unrealistically large size.

Gameplay

Pupp135 /

BritishGuy54

Pupp135 said:
Ultimate’s playstyle is really good in my opinion, and I’d be happy using it here.

KneeOfJustice99

KneeOfJustice99 said:
I think it'd help for the sake of simplicity to go with something familiar, but seems as this is the first game in the series... I'd say a Smash 64 inspired moveset. Hence, no side specials, no UI gimmicks, and generally simplistic character concepts that can fill in roles beyond just representing themselves.

Louie G.

Louie G. said:
I’m in agreement with Knee about avoiding any super complex UI gimmicks or comeback mechanics. I think our point of reference for complexity should be Brawl. We can have stuff like Wario Waft or Olimar’s Pikmin management, but less so Hero’s spell menu, and so forth. Let’s play a little neater within the lines of archetypes.

I think otherwise it should play more or less like Ultimate, as Pupp said. I’m okay with keeping side specials around, I think it would have been a natural feeling thing to implement even without the prior experience. But it could be interesting to explore without it! I’m pretty go with the flow on this stuff and I’ll just play by the rules once we establish them.

Something I do want to propose though - a proper EX meter. Final Smashes would be more unified in function similar to a super in Street Fighter or Guilty Gear. And just as well, a sufficient charge may provide a stronger version of a special attack. If we’re not going to explore individual character meters, maybe it would be appropriate to give everyone their own.

Vote for your two most wanted, where yours is not first.

1. Louie G.
2. Mine/BritishGuy54

I prioritized Louie G.’s gameplay as I feel like a first SSB game of the switch would be something that is more complex than 64.

Job 5: Submit a Nintendo character

As two of Nintendo’s juggernaut series have received nominations, I’ll go with Samus as Metroid had a notable 35 year history at the time, and it’s bonus points that this game coincides with Dread.

Job 6: Submit a Super Mario and Legend of Zelda stage

I’ll nominate Princess Peach’s Castle as this is a recurring location in the series, and it would have the Melee layout as it allows for some additional complexity without getting out of hand.

I’ll nominate Hyrule Castle here, but the layout would be a little more symmetrical.

Louie G. · Jul 25, 2024

1. DragonRobotKing (26)
2. Mine / BritishGuy (24 + 4 clones)
3. Northsoupmap (22)

1. Pupp / Britishguy
2. Mine

Job 5: Isabelle (Animal Crossing)

Will kick things off with perhaps a bit of a bold move. We obviously have a lot of obligatory 64 vets to fill in, but I'm going to prioritize one of the most essential modern picks from Ultimate (yknow, in the universe where these games exist). Since Mario and Link are already set aside, the next biggest Nintendo series I can think of is Animal Crossing. Especially when this game is slated for a 2021 release... New Horizons dropped the year prior, and it's probably the Switch's greatest standalone success. Isabelle is often treated as Animal Crossing's mascot, she is its most popular character, and she appears front and center on much of Nintendo's company branding. She has a statue in the Tokyo Nintendo Store and is one of the first in line for the parade.

She, along with Inkling, feels like the most obligatory step forward past Nintendo's two most classic mascots. And I think this balance of classic characters with contemporary ones is a good way to point us in a healthy direction building this roster. Mario and Link represent the old and evergreen, while Isabelle (and Inkling) represents the new wave, being a character who debuted hardly a decade ago and has already flourished to worldwide recognizability. And it will be nice to establish a prominent female character this early too. Obviously I can see the case for Villager, but personally since we're starting completely from scratch I'd like to advocate for more defined characters rather than avatars. I think this is the better and more exciting move for this purpose.

I'll add some stages in a little while. Just wanted to get this out there while it was on my mind, and break in the new game!

BritishGuy54 · Jul 25, 2024

Roster Count:
1. Pupp
2. Myself/Louie G.
3. Northsouthmap

Please. Let us have clones. I know most people don’t like them, but they’re kind of necessary here, and it feels like a cop-out to not have them.

Job 5: Inkling (Splatoon)

This shouldn’t be a surprise. With more core Nintendo characters compared to when 64 was created, Inkling would certainly be prioritised.

Job 6:
Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario Bros., 1985)

Of course, a retro throwback is warranted, and why not the original Super Mario Bros.? I imagine this stage will be a strange hybrid between Melee’s Mushroom Kingdom, and Brawl’s Mushroomy Kingdom.

The aesthetics will resemble the original game. 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, and 1-4 are all here, on loop. It might be a bit much for a first stage submission, but I can’t really refuse this option.

Great Plateau Tower (The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, 2017)

With a classic stage must come a modern one too. Can’t really refuse anything from Breath of the Wild stage-wise here. Works as it does in Smash Ultimate.

DragonRobotKing26 · Jul 25, 2024

1. Pupp
2. Myself
3. Northsouthmap

Job 5: Kirby

i can't let missing the Sakurai's creation, and he is the iconic character

Pupp135 · Jul 25, 2024

BritishGuy54 said:
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Please. Let us have clones. I know most people don’t like them, but they’re kind of necessary here, and it feels like a cop-out to not have them.

If we don’t select the 24+4 clone option, we can set up a separate job to select a number of clones for the roster.

nirvanafan · Jul 25, 2024

Byleth

Not as popular as some of our other nominees but is one of the most "switch era" feeling eligible nominees imo (alongside other rotating cast series like Xenoblade or Pokemon)

Mario Maker

Think its a fun way to rep multiple Mario eras, pretty much the same as real Smash.

Koholint Island

Thought id throw the other big "new" zelda game that would have been out by our late 2019/early 2020 release timeframe. BotW makes more sense imo but this could stand out with its artstyle. Will use a concept i found by WilliamHeroofHyrule (thought there was a mod or fan game with this stage but this is closest i found in my quick research).

Concept

KneeOfJustice99 · Jul 25, 2024

Roster Count

22
26
20

That said, I think it'd be cool for us to have at least a couple of clone jobs like BritishGuy mentioned.

Gameplay

Louie G's submission
Pupp135's / BritishGuy54's submission

Job #05:
I was originally going to submit a Splatoon character, then an Animal Crossing character, so I'm kind of in an odd spot. That being said...

Character Name: Shulk
Character Origin: Xenoblade Chronicles (2010)

Monolith Soft are wholly owned by Nintendo, and while series like Splatoon and Animal Crossing are obvious flagships, I also wouldn't write off the rising star of the Xenoblade Chronicles franchise - that specifically came to a lot of prominence after XC2. That said, I'm going with Shulk because of his role as the protagonist of the first game, in his design from the (recently released) Future Connected.

I think the general concensus is making characters a little simpler, and this would actually give us the opportunity to look at Shulk through a different lens. While I can imagine a lot of his attacks being based both on his Arts and Monado Arts in XC coupled with elements of his Blade abilities in XC2, I wouldn't go down the route of making him the buff/stance character.

Job #06
Mario Stage: New Donk City
Stage Origin: Super Mario Odyssey (2017)

Unlike Ultimate's take on the Metro Kingdom, I'd have this stage take place on the rooftops of the city and use some of the floating scaffolding platforms - giving players a view over the streets, and letting them see the hustle and bustle of city life for New Donkers. Obviously this is picked as a prominently promoted world from a recent mainline Mario title, but it's also packed with references to Mario's history, so seems only natural in my mind.

Zelda Stage: Skyloft
Stage Origin: The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (2011)

Again, a unique and more simplistic take on this stage that instead takes place atop the Light Tower (that can be seen in the foreground of the image attached.) The idea is that you'd see NPC characters and Loftwings around. Similar to the last stage submission, the logic here is that it's cross-promotion for a recent release - Skyward Sword HD - but also works as a more general rep for the Zelda series.

Northsouthmap · Jul 27, 2024

1. 20
2. 21
3. 22

1. Pupp/British
2. Louie

I will submit characters and stages later

Qwerty UIOP · Jul 27, 2024

Character: Pikachu

Northsouthmap · Jul 28, 2024

Olimar (Pikmin)

Mario Kart 8 Rainbow Road

Pupp135 · Jul 28, 2024

Here are the votes

Roster Counts

Pupp135 20 (10)

KneeOfJustice99 21 (4)

Louie G. /

BritishGuy54 28 (four of which are clones) (5)

Northsouthmap 22 (10)

DragonRobotKing26 26 (7)

There was a tie between northsouthmap and my suggestions, and the tie will be resulved with the poll below.

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Gameplay

Pupp135 /

BritishGuy54 6

KneeOfJustice99

Louie G. 6

There is a tie between two proposals (Louie G. and BritishGuy54/mine). We’ll use a poll.

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What is your opinion? Vote now: Pupp135/BritishGuy54, Louie G.

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Here are the roster and stage nominations:

Roster

Pupp135 Samus

Louie G. Isabelle

BritishGuy54 Inkling

DragonRobotKing26 Kirby

nirvanafan Byleth

KneeOfJustice99 Shulk

Qwerty UIOP Pikachu

Northsouthmap Olimar

Vote for your three most wanted, where yours is not first.

1. Isabelle
2. Inkling
3. Samus

Animal Crossing and Splatoon are the first party juggernaut franchises to add here. Even though Villager is a larger priortiy personally, I think both Villager and Isabelle are warranted.

Super Mario Stages

Pupp135 Princess Peach’s Castle

BritishGuy54 Mushroom Kingdom

BritishGuy54 Mario Maker

KneeOfJustice99 New Donk City

Northsouthmap Rainbow Road

Legend of Zelda Stage

Pupp135 Hyrule Castle

BritishGuy54 Great Plateau Tower

nirvanafan Koholint Island

KneeOfJustice99 Skyloft

Vote for your three most wanted, where yours is not first.

1. New Donk City
2. Mushroom Kingdom
3. Mario Maker

1. Great Plateau Tower
2. Hyrule Castle
3. Skyloft

New Donk City and Great Plateau Tower highlight new entries on the Switch. Mushroom Kingdom showcases a stage from a classical era. Mario Maker seems like a fun, gimmicky stage. Skyloft represents a game with a recent remaster.

Job 7: Submit a Number of Stages for the base game.

I think 25 should be a good number as it allows each franchise to have a stage in addition to a small amount of wiggle room.

Job 8: Submit a Number of Clones for the base game.
I think three is the perfect balance as it increases the roster a little without going too heavily on the padding.

DragonRobotKing26 · Jul 28, 2024

1. Samus
2. Kirby
3. Inkling

1. Mushroom Kingdom
2. Peach's Catle
3. New Donk City

1. Skyloft
2, Great Plateau Tower
3. Hyrule Castle

BritishGuy54 · Jul 28, 2024

1. Shulk
2. Inkling
3. Isabelle

Shulk is a nice dark horse addition, even if my thoughts are that popularity may be prioritised for an XC2 character getting in first, since this would be the first Smash game.

Inkling makes sense, they’re very obvious. Animal Crossing could probably sustain the one character and a clone if we do those.

1. Mario Maker
2. Mushroom Kingdom
3. Rainbow Road

I would heavily advise letting this game spread its wings for this era and not rely too heavily on previous eras, bar obvious throwbacks.

Skyloft doesn't really work in that regard.

1. Koholint Island
2. Great Plateau Tower
3. Hyrule Castle

Job 7: 32 Stages

Job 8: 6 Clone Characters

Let’s do some fun filler like Melee did. Let’s actually think about who can join as clones instead of defaulting to already existing ones like in the SSB6 thread.

TheGipper · Jul 28, 2024

1. Kirby
2. Isabelle
3. Olimar

1. Mario Maker
2. New Donk City
3. Rainbow Road

1. Koholint Island
2. Skyloft
3. Great Plateau Tower

Job 7: 30 Stages

KneeOfJustice99 · Jul 28, 2024

Fighters

Isabelle
Inkling
Samus

Mario Stages

Peach's Castle
Rainbow Road
Mario Maker

Zelda Stages

Great Plateau Tower
Koholint Island
Hyrule Castle

Job #07: I'm gonna go with 25 stages.

Job #08: Five seems like a good call to me.

Louie G. · Jul 28, 2024

1. Inkling
2. Isabelle
3. Samus

Let's knock out some of the obvious choices first. Inkling and Isabelle are cornerstones of modern Nintendo, their most iconic characters made within the last decade (give or take). Personally I think there will be plenty of room for characters both new and old, but I'd like to set this precedent early so we keep it in line with Nintendo's current priorities. Mario, Link, Isabelle and Inkling feels like a great starting lineup that is (pretty objectively) Nintendo's currnet bread and butter and also offers a pretty diverse spread of archetypes to kick things off.

Samus gets the next dibs. It was really between her and Kirby, but I opted for Samus for one reason mainly. I'm advocating for these last two cutesy mascot characters already, so I think someone who taps more into the "cool" side of things is a good balance. Dread recently released and Prime 4 is on the way, so not only is Samus just a massively popular and iconic Nintendo character but she's also one of the hottest right now. I'll advocate for Kirby next round... also hey look, all girls! I think it would be awesome to maintain a strong M/F ratio, kicking things off 50/50 is a great precedent.

Some quick thoughts on the others - Byleth is a character that I personally don't have much interest in here. I want to do something different with Fire Emblem. I'm namely looking at Chrom, who is arguably the most iconic Lord of the modern era, and Edelgard who is inarguably Three Houses' most popular character and offers more interesting dynamics among the roster. Like I said, I don't really want to add too many "avatars" in this version of the roster. Shulk is certainly worth the conversation, but I'm undecided what to do with Xenoblade yet. I also don't think we need "dark horse" characters from smaller series like this until we've filled out the most obvious ones first. There will be a place, but I don't want him before Samus and Kirby.

Pikachu is a no brainer who will make it in eventually, and so is Olimar. The latter I'm just going to support a bit later, the former doesn't really even need my support. The devious side of me wonders if we even need Pikachu, and if it would be cooler to bring in Charizard and/or Mewtwo first. But I'm not convinced it will pan out that way... just something I'm thinking about.

1. Peach's Castle
2. Mario Maker
3. Mushroom Kingdom

I think Peach's Castle is a great home stage for the Mario series. I'm unsure if I want the layout to be quite the same as it is in our Smash though, I might want us to explore ways to modernize or reinterpret it. But I still think it's the best choice. The other two I voted for represent the classic Mario games that I think demand some kind of explicit nod. I would like to consider New Donk City and Rainbow Road later on, though. All pretty good choices.

1. Great Plateau Tower
2. Koholint Island
3. Hyrule Castle

Skyloft would feel like a bit of a weird pull here, since Skyward Sword isn't quite modern or classic enough to feel justified as Zelda's first stage. Although maybe we can revisit it once we get something a bit more obligatory in first.

Job 7: 32 Stages
Seconding Britishguy on this. Assuming with clones we may end up anywhere between 24-28 characters, this gives us some leeway for bonus stages referencing nonplayable series as well as Smash originals like Battlefield and Final Destination. While also potentially giving every unique character a home stage, which I think is something we should keep in consideration.

Job 8: 4 Clones
Feels like a safe number that will keep the roster even. I'm more than willing to bump the number up, but I'd be satisfied with this and I think it'd still allow us a bit of creativity within bounds. Notably, if we go with 22 characters, this will round it out to Melee size.

Qwerty UIOP · Jul 28, 2024

1. Kirby
2. Pikachu
3. Samus

Mushroomguy12 · Jul 28, 2024

1. Samus
2. Inkling
3. Isabelle

1. Peach's Castle
2. New Donk City
3. Mario Maker

1. Great Plateau Tower
2. Hyrule Castle
3. Koholint Island

Northsouthmap · Jul 29, 2024

1. Kirby
2. Samus
3. Pikachu

1. Mushroom Kingdom
2. Peach's Castle
3. Rainbow Road

1. Hyrule Castle
2. Great Plateau Tower
3. Skyloft

Stage Number: 29 Stages

Clone Number: 6 Clones

nirvanafan · Jul 29, 2024

1 Inkling
2 Isabelle
3 Byleth

1 Peachs Castle
2 Mario Maker
3 New Donk City

1 Great Plateau Tower
2 Skyloft
3 Koholint Isand

Oggy123 · Jul 29, 2024

1. Kirby
2. Pikachu
3. Inkling

1. New Donk City
2. Princess Peach's Castle
3. Rainbow Road

1. Hyrule Castle
2. Great Plateau Tower
3. Koholint Island

darkvortex · Jul 29, 2024

1. Samus
2. Kirby
3. Inkling

1. Peach's Castle
2. Mushroom Kingdom
3. Rainbow Road

1. Hyrule Castle
2. Great Plateau Tower
3. Koholint Island

Louie G. · Jul 29, 2024

By the way

Pupp135 , how many characters are getting added per Job? I know we usually do two, but like… if say Kirby or Samus are off by one point, are we really going to go through the process of nominating them again and just delaying the inevitable?

I’m wondering if we should just pick off the Top 4 characters in this first cycle or something since the vote is looking to be quite close anyway. Although I suppose it’s understandable if you have a mind to pace it a little more sparsely so we can focus on the individual series incrementally. Still I just feel like we’d be retreading ground having to vote for a few of these characters again.

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