D. Disciple
Smash Master
Just read the conversation.
D Disciple01 11:28 pm
I totally forgot to ask you.
D Disciple01 11:28 pm
aw yeah that's true
you said someone taught you some stuff at Apex with DK
William Walsh 11:28 pm
I'm sure many people plan on going haha
D Disciple01 11:29 pm
to make him faster or something like that. What was it?
William Walsh 11:29 pm
I just started doing what top Marth mains have always done
and top players in general have started to implement
D Disciple01 11:29 pm
oh platform cancel and all that?
William Walsh 11:29 pm
it's a fox trot into a dash dance cancel
D Disciple01 11:29 pm
oh I do that already lol
William Walsh 11:30 pm
see but like
until I started using Marth a lot more
I didn't realize all characters could benefit from it
William Walsh 11:30 pm
or even do it lol
D Disciple01 11:30 pm
lol
William Walsh 11:30 pm
/scrub status
it just helped my
D Disciple01 11:30 pm
It helps with Lucario's aura sphere pokes
William Walsh 11:30 pm
movement game so much
I get in on aerials, powershield them easily
and then I can down smash out of
shield lol
D Disciple01 11:31 pm
so dumb lol
William Walsh 11:32 pm
I learned a few other technical things
D Disciple01 11:33 pm
word?
William Walsh 11:33 pm
such as buffered platform cancel dropping
aka mr r cancels
and ledge jumping from
the edge while retaining full control
over your DI
as in, you can go
attack
backwards, retain your double jump, then jump back on with am
D Disciple01 11:34 pm
tight
D Disciple01 11:35 pm
I need to learn that
William Walsh 11:35 pm
it involves cancelling the ledge jump with an air dodge, followed by an immediate jump input
it's not too hard, but a useful mixup for sure
D Disciple01 11:35 pm
do the normal ledge jump, airdodge and immediately input jump?
William Walsh 11:35 pm
yes
D Disciple01 11:35 pm
kk, I'm a try it out with lucario
William Walsh 11:35 pm
when done correctly, you will not auto lurch in am
arc either forward or backward
rather, you will have full control over your DI
D Disciple01 11:36 pm
and by doing this I should have my 2nd jump still?
William Walsh 11:36 pm
and maintain your double jump
mhm
D Disciple01 11:36 pm
kk, I'm gonna try this with lucario and dair. so I know if I did it right or not.
if so he can recover so much better then
William Walsh 11:37 pm
the jump input after the air dodge doesn't use your DJ
D Disciple01 11:37 pm
you should try to isai drop as well.
kk
William Walsh 11:37 pm
isai drop?
D Disciple01 11:37 pm
so I'm expecting to have full di correct
William Walsh 11:37 pm
mhm
you should be able to have a lot more control
than usual
D Disciple01 11:38 pm
you know in melee where they do an aerial then immediately platform drop into another aerial?
William Walsh 11:38 pm
you'll
notice it
D Disciple01 11:38 pm
kk
William Walsh 11:38 pm
i think...
is that just timing?
D Disciple01 11:38 pm
like with Falco, then they do dair l-cancel it and then do another dair immediately?
D Disciple01 11:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uVk-myfyLI
William Walsh 11:39 pm
isnt that just fastfalling through?
D Disciple01 11:39 pm
wait no bad vid
nope
actually that vid has a good example of it
D Disciple01 11:41 pm
it was the first thing I practiced with Lucario when the game came out
it Brawl it's harder to do cause we don't have the liberty to L-Cancel
in*
William Walsh 11:42 pm
I mean
I do a lot of fast cancels due to DK's up b lagless land
D Disciple01 11:43 pm
yeah
William Walsh 11:43 pm
I may have accidentally done that a few times lol
D Disciple01 11:43 pm
yeah
it's pretty much like that
William Walsh 11:43 pm
is there something special to it?
D Disciple01 11:43 pm
in melee it's a huge thing.
William Walsh 11:43 pm
yeah and l canceling is necessary for it
D Disciple01 11:43 pm
it makes dropping through the platform a lot faster.
D Disciple01 11:44 pm
especially after doing an aerial
cause you can't just drop after doing the aerial on a platform
but if you input a movement, then it makes it faster.
and plus in Brawl, the japanese have vids of platform cancelling and dropping like in melee
but you have to be running or something to do it
with this, I can do fair-nair on platform then immediately drop and do anything I want
William Walsh 11:45 pm
ahhh
William Walsh 11:46 pm
i see. so the platform doesn't obstruct you at all you mean
D Disciple01 11:46 pm
yep
William Walsh 11:47 pm
DK's lagless land allows for me to reach the perfect level of the platform. so I can basically drop instantly
but out of a regular jump?
seems tricky
but worth knowing lol
William Walsh 11:48 pm
do you have to cancel your aerial?
like, land on the canceling frames
you know what I mean
auto cancelled frames*
D Disciple01 11:48 pm
for fair, bair and uair
nair and dair not really
William Walsh 11:49 pm
I can prob use it with... bair and early hitboxes of nair
D Disciple01 11:49 pm
yeah I've done it with DK
William Walsh 11:49 pm
upair has super landing lag for DK lol
if you don't land correctly
D Disciple01 11:50 pm
like if you do it and you push them off the platform of BF and hit them with giant punch or uair
it's like sex
William Walsh 11:50 pm
oh, I've started utilizing something amazing
on smashville
D Disciple01 11:50 pm
what's that?
William Walsh 11:50 pm
when I catch someone scared in their shield as I am charging down smash while at the VERY edge of the moving platform
and they are
right next to me
I hit their shield, which pressures
them, and it pushes me off lol
then I get a free mixup
bc my down smash has no lag
and I am
now in the air, double jumping into up air lol
D Disciple01 11:52 pm
lol too good
William Walsh 11:52 pm
I use the mr r cancel now a bit
trying to master applications for it
William Walsh 11:52 pm
it's AMAZING for lucario actually
wow
practice it, right now xD
instead of just platform canceling, press Z + Down when you reach the height of the platform
you won't even stand on the platform, you'll just float immediately underneath it on the way back down, with an immediate dair and your double jump bac
it's the fastest way of dropping from a platform cancel lol
D Disciple01 11:54 pm
lmfao
and this is why I love Lucario
William Walsh 11:54 pm
it's fun as **** to practice
D Disciple01 11:55 pm
lol
William Walsh 11:55 pm
the best part is that you don't even have to throw out hitboxes until you're ready
you can just keep platform cancel dropping into double jump cancel and dropping until their shield is low enough to get poked lol
just watch mr r vs otori
D Disciple01 11:56 pm
I should post this convo into the Lucario boards
William Walsh 11:56 pm
if you haven't already xD
lmao
I totally forgot to ask you.
D Disciple01 11:28 pm
aw yeah that's true
you said someone taught you some stuff at Apex with DK
William Walsh 11:28 pm
I'm sure many people plan on going haha
D Disciple01 11:29 pm
to make him faster or something like that. What was it?
William Walsh 11:29 pm
I just started doing what top Marth mains have always done
and top players in general have started to implement
D Disciple01 11:29 pm
oh platform cancel and all that?
William Walsh 11:29 pm
it's a fox trot into a dash dance cancel
D Disciple01 11:29 pm
oh I do that already lol
William Walsh 11:30 pm
see but like
until I started using Marth a lot more
I didn't realize all characters could benefit from it
William Walsh 11:30 pm
or even do it lol
D Disciple01 11:30 pm
lol
William Walsh 11:30 pm
/scrub status
it just helped my
D Disciple01 11:30 pm
It helps with Lucario's aura sphere pokes
William Walsh 11:30 pm
movement game so much
I get in on aerials, powershield them easily
and then I can down smash out of
shield lol
D Disciple01 11:31 pm
so dumb lol
William Walsh 11:32 pm
I learned a few other technical things
D Disciple01 11:33 pm
word?
William Walsh 11:33 pm
such as buffered platform cancel dropping
aka mr r cancels
and ledge jumping from
the edge while retaining full control
over your DI
as in, you can go
attack
backwards, retain your double jump, then jump back on with am
D Disciple01 11:34 pm
tight
D Disciple01 11:35 pm
I need to learn that
William Walsh 11:35 pm
it involves cancelling the ledge jump with an air dodge, followed by an immediate jump input
it's not too hard, but a useful mixup for sure
D Disciple01 11:35 pm
do the normal ledge jump, airdodge and immediately input jump?
William Walsh 11:35 pm
yes
D Disciple01 11:35 pm
kk, I'm a try it out with lucario
William Walsh 11:35 pm
when done correctly, you will not auto lurch in am
arc either forward or backward
rather, you will have full control over your DI
D Disciple01 11:36 pm
and by doing this I should have my 2nd jump still?
William Walsh 11:36 pm
and maintain your double jump
mhm
D Disciple01 11:36 pm
kk, I'm gonna try this with lucario and dair. so I know if I did it right or not.
if so he can recover so much better then
William Walsh 11:37 pm
the jump input after the air dodge doesn't use your DJ
D Disciple01 11:37 pm
you should try to isai drop as well.
kk
William Walsh 11:37 pm
isai drop?
D Disciple01 11:37 pm
so I'm expecting to have full di correct
William Walsh 11:37 pm
mhm
you should be able to have a lot more control
than usual
D Disciple01 11:38 pm
you know in melee where they do an aerial then immediately platform drop into another aerial?
William Walsh 11:38 pm
you'll
notice it
D Disciple01 11:38 pm
kk
William Walsh 11:38 pm
i think...
is that just timing?
D Disciple01 11:38 pm
like with Falco, then they do dair l-cancel it and then do another dair immediately?
D Disciple01 11:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uVk-myfyLI
William Walsh 11:39 pm
isnt that just fastfalling through?
D Disciple01 11:39 pm
wait no bad vid
nope
actually that vid has a good example of it
D Disciple01 11:41 pm
it was the first thing I practiced with Lucario when the game came out
it Brawl it's harder to do cause we don't have the liberty to L-Cancel
in*
William Walsh 11:42 pm
I mean
I do a lot of fast cancels due to DK's up b lagless land
D Disciple01 11:43 pm
yeah
William Walsh 11:43 pm
I may have accidentally done that a few times lol
D Disciple01 11:43 pm
yeah
it's pretty much like that
William Walsh 11:43 pm
is there something special to it?
D Disciple01 11:43 pm
in melee it's a huge thing.
William Walsh 11:43 pm
yeah and l canceling is necessary for it
D Disciple01 11:43 pm
it makes dropping through the platform a lot faster.
D Disciple01 11:44 pm
especially after doing an aerial
cause you can't just drop after doing the aerial on a platform
but if you input a movement, then it makes it faster.
and plus in Brawl, the japanese have vids of platform cancelling and dropping like in melee
but you have to be running or something to do it
with this, I can do fair-nair on platform then immediately drop and do anything I want
William Walsh 11:45 pm
ahhh
William Walsh 11:46 pm
i see. so the platform doesn't obstruct you at all you mean
D Disciple01 11:46 pm
yep
William Walsh 11:47 pm
DK's lagless land allows for me to reach the perfect level of the platform. so I can basically drop instantly
but out of a regular jump?
seems tricky
but worth knowing lol
William Walsh 11:48 pm
do you have to cancel your aerial?
like, land on the canceling frames
you know what I mean
auto cancelled frames*
D Disciple01 11:48 pm
for fair, bair and uair
nair and dair not really
William Walsh 11:49 pm
I can prob use it with... bair and early hitboxes of nair
D Disciple01 11:49 pm
yeah I've done it with DK
William Walsh 11:49 pm
upair has super landing lag for DK lol
if you don't land correctly
D Disciple01 11:50 pm
like if you do it and you push them off the platform of BF and hit them with giant punch or uair
it's like sex
William Walsh 11:50 pm
oh, I've started utilizing something amazing
on smashville
D Disciple01 11:50 pm
what's that?
William Walsh 11:50 pm
when I catch someone scared in their shield as I am charging down smash while at the VERY edge of the moving platform
and they are
right next to me
I hit their shield, which pressures
them, and it pushes me off lol
then I get a free mixup
bc my down smash has no lag
and I am
now in the air, double jumping into up air lol
D Disciple01 11:52 pm
lol too good
William Walsh 11:52 pm
I use the mr r cancel now a bit
trying to master applications for it
William Walsh 11:52 pm
it's AMAZING for lucario actually
wow
practice it, right now xD
instead of just platform canceling, press Z + Down when you reach the height of the platform
you won't even stand on the platform, you'll just float immediately underneath it on the way back down, with an immediate dair and your double jump bac
it's the fastest way of dropping from a platform cancel lol
D Disciple01 11:54 pm
lmfao
and this is why I love Lucario
William Walsh 11:54 pm
it's fun as **** to practice
D Disciple01 11:55 pm
lol
William Walsh 11:55 pm
the best part is that you don't even have to throw out hitboxes until you're ready
you can just keep platform cancel dropping into double jump cancel and dropping until their shield is low enough to get poked lol
just watch mr r vs otori
D Disciple01 11:56 pm
I should post this convo into the Lucario boards
William Walsh 11:56 pm
if you haven't already xD
lmao
