Stage decisions for sheik

[jdmelody]

Okay I have a tournament tomorrow, and as far as stages go I don't really know I thing...I think battlefield and pokemon stadium are top choices for sheik, but I really don't have a clue..Another thing that I fear is certain characters or players choosing a counterpick against me..What stages do the most popular characters counterpick against a sheik...and what are some things I can do in those situations?

 

[Cinder]

Well, I'm not too good at picking stages to counter, but I've personally taken a shine to Fountain of Dreams, cuz it's easy to do a wall-jump--f-air

 

[jdmelody]

o0o very nice :D haha...i dunno but i just really like pokemon stadium..its not too many platforms..and they are spaced..so if you happened to get moved of there and can really be helpful because its small and your opponent cant really get out of another hit that easily if they fall on it.

 

[Cinder]

Yeah, I hear ya...Pokemon Stadium and Battlefield are good strategically, but FoD is fun
All jokes aside, stick with Pokemon Stadium, or FoD...FoD's pretty okay from a strategic point of view...I'm sure the Sheik guide has some tips (I haven't seen it yet, but all the other character guides do)

 

[NeighborhoodP]

Battlefield and FoD are my standard counterpicks

Edit: DK 64 on Spacies

 

[robyextreme]

I play sheik as a second.

And only use her on Battlefield.. Just remember to use a map that has good horizontal killing for your F-airs. And to avoid vertical kills so high ceiling is a must.

Unless you fight floaties, then u-air may be useful.

 

[Takumaru]

Yoshi's Island FTW. Platforms make for easy movement and quick aerials and it's easy to kill people there.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

Really, I just pick stages that are bad for the opponent, and not necessarily good for sheik (e.g. not FD vs falco). Also, it can be beneficial to train on some less used stages, like green greens and pokefloats to surprise your opponents with stage picks they may not expect.

 

[jamminjohn]

I can't think of any stages that are bad for Sheik. Anyone?

 

[Cinder]

Really, I just pick stages that are bad for the opponent, and not necessarily good for sheik (e.g. not FD vs falco). Also, it can be beneficial to train on some less used stages, like green greens and pokefloats to surprise your opponents with stage picks they may not expect.

Aren't GreenGreens and Poke Floats banned? If not, then yeah, that's a good idea...

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

Aren't GreenGreens and Poke Floats banned? If not, then yeah, that's a good idea...

Umm, no. They were never banned, and aren't. Counterpicks ftw. Also, this:

 

[jdmelody]

what is the half and half represent?

 

[Boogers_]

top's for singles, bottom's for doubles.

 

[jdmelody]

wait...is green not banned and red banned..or is it red single green double?

 

[Cinder]

wait...is green not banned and red banned..or is it red single green double?

Green=random stage
Red=banned
Yellow=legal, but not on random stage list

I think...

 

[jdmelody]

oh dag! i didnt even see the yellow before...thanks..its kind of a nice diagram or key to have cause i definitely didn't know what i could or couldnt choose before.

 

[Shmooguy]

Pick a stage that is bad for your opponent, because sheik can play pretty well on almost any stage.

 

[jdmelody]

word up my son

 

[HAT]

**** stadium. go for FoD if they haven't banned it, battlefield if they haven't banned it, and if you're good enough at tech chasing, go for final (any matchup). for serious.

i don't condone counterpicking ridiculously gay stages, so .. no.

oh also, if a fox goes corneria on you, don't worry about it. stay toward the right side of the level and be prepared to tech chase the fox for all 4 of his stock with d-smash. it's siiilly.

random question, what do you guys ban against fox/falcon/falco? and marth?

 

[Luma]

fox: onett or ys
falcon: doesnt really care
falco: fd
marth: ys

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

FoD cause you can needle spam most effectively.

 

[BigRick]

Based on personnal experience, these are my preferred stages:

Fox/Marth: DL64, PS, FD, KJ64 - I usually want to avoid the smaller stages, harder for them to get me off the stage

Falco/Falcon: FoD, YS, BF - I usually want to avoid the larger stages, less room for them to move, easier to get them off...

Floaties (Peach/Samus/Jiggs): FD, PS, Corneria, Green Greens - I also prefer a larger stage for them, gives more room for camping/runaway, higher ceilings less recommended

 

[RaynEX]

FD is Shiek's level, period. Only time I'd advise against it is vs. falco...

unless you are reeeeally good at tech-chasing. other than that, Shiek is good on literally every other level.

 

[jdmelody]

thanks HAT and thanks Rayne...again..haha...yeah i am not too great on tech chasing so I should try and practice that...

 

[TheKneeOfJustice]

Sheik doesn't have any bad stages really. Her best may be Yoshi's Story (which I prefer), or Battlefield.

 

[BigRick]

FD is Shiek's level, period. Only time I'd advise against it is vs. falco...

I bet some players will say otherwise... Sheik can use the platfors really well, and some guys just like to have their platforms.

Depends on yo style really...

 

[Zankoku]

FD is actually my least favorite neutral stage for Sheik. She has some strong techchasing and grab setups, but that low aerial maneuverability really hurts when you're being juggled over FD's platformless stage.

 

[jdmelody]

yeah..i agree with ankoku..tho i do like it when you get some good occasional aerial combos..people can really tear you up there...sheik needs her platforms sometimes : /

 

[HAT]

FD is actually my least favorite neutral stage for Sheik. She has some strong techchasing and grab setups, but that low aerial maneuverability really hurts when you're being juggled over FD's platformless stage.

Smash DI. Mew2King talks about it like it's nothing, but it is actually something that's hard to perfect. Just try to learn the timing for smash DIing fox's upairs, marth's attacks, falco's pillars, etc. Smash DI is awesome.

 

[jdmelody]

Smash DI. Mew2King talks about it like it's nothing, but it is actually something that's hard to perfect. Just try to learn the timing for smash DIing fox's upairs, marth's attacks, falco's pillars, etc. Smash DI is awesome.

haha...i wishh..but i have no one really good enough to practice against my friend is a little worse than I...but he only plays Doc

 

[red stone]

pokemon stadium is probably your best bet

 

[BigRick]

Smash DI. Mew2King talks about it like it's nothing, but it is actually something that's hard to perfect. Just try to learn the timing for smash DIing fox's upairs, marth's attacks, falco's pillars, etc. Smash DI is awesome.

Good foxes can do other stuff than Uair after an uthrow.

Being able to smash DI won't totally save you, and it can mess up your DI real bad against sumtin like a Bair if you do it incorrectly.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

FD is probably sheik's worst stage out of the neutrals. because of her lack of shffling and needles going at 45 degrees, platforms are a much needed part of her game. tho personal "i like this stage better" probably matters more, im just talking characteristics of sheik.

 

[jdmelody]

yep..all good points...but honestly..i freakin hate yoshi's story for sheik :/ i just need platforms that are more spaced out and a stage that aint so dang small

 

[NeighborhoodP]

Sheik ***** FoD silly. vs spacies if they mess up even a little when the platforms are low they get utilted for much-needed percentage. usmash *****. Playing on platforms and falling with needles or lagless fairs / bairs is ****. Easy to recover back on the stage too when you fair recover. And all the platforms mean even if you mess up your edge guarding and a spacie lands on a platform or something, Sheik can still punish easily with a utilt / ftilt to ****.

 

[HAT]

Good foxes can do other stuff than Uair after an uthrow.

Being able to smash DI won't totally save you, and it can mess up your DI real bad against sumtin like a Bair if you do it incorrectly.

right, but the upair combo is the most devastating juggling tactic. i'm hoping your average sheik player can DI a backair correctly, lol.

bah, sheik doesn't need platforms. you're crazy.

 

[jdmelody]

right, but the upair combo is the most devastating juggling tactic. i'm hoping your average sheik player can DI a backair correctly, lol.

bah, sheik doesn't need platforms. you're crazy.

psh!! ur the one you wavelands and says its the most important thing for sheik if you want mindgames

 

[Dragon_Hawk]

when you're as broken as sheik, you don't need mindgames.

Spoiler

let's see how many take that seriously.

I personally hate FD and like Stadium (except vs Fox), Battlefield and FoD out of the neutrals but I also pick Japes because Japes is too cool.

Stadium is fun imho because of the neutral, water and grass stages. The neutral has small platforms so gay platform tech chases are lovely and you can be gay and there's room to frolic and run away and dance around. On the water stage, the windmill and the needle tricks you can do off of it are very cool and the platform arrangement is absolutely lovable if not sometimes impractical (although it's not horrible). The grass stage is fun because of the platform arrangement imho and because I'm really fond of the platform cg and platform combos so yeah. You can also u-tilt spam under the bush if they land on it iirc, which is appreciated. Multiple platforms also allow unique wavelanding tricks and needle cancels.

FoD is just awesome. And it's a Kirby stage, which makes it even more awesome. And it's purple, the most manly colour of them all. Tilts are awesome there. Needles are awesome there. Aerials are awesome anywhere. Thus Sheik's level of awesome goes up more than usual.

Battlefield has a fun platform arrangement and people hate it.

 

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

what do you guys think of taking Falco to Brinstar?
please tell me what you think would be pluses and minuses...

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

bah, sheik doesn't need platforms. you're crazy.

she doesnt NEED them, but they massively improve her game. since she cant shffl very well, platforms increase her speed a lot. if you want to just sh fair into shield grabs all day be my guest as thats whats gonna happen a lot if you play FD. what else can you do? spam needles? ROFL. *needle* an hour later *ground lag over, needle again*, your opponent *sh over needle, spam their projectile that can ACTUALLY be used in that way*

basically sheik's needle is only useful for 2 things. 1) hitting people as they are recovering and 2) jump needle (hit stun on opponent) go in for grab/fair/any other move you want