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Switching pokemon

homer2020

Smash Cadet
Joined
Feb 26, 2006
Messages
40
Location
Ontario, Canada
First thing I need to know is there any lag when they come out? either I don't time it right or my friend has amazing timing. They should have had at least super armor frames as they come out and have a 5-10 second cool down before they can use it again, but i mean what did they do right in this game? I know the best way to switch would be knock the opponent far away then switch, but this can be tricky with squirtle, or against a character with a projectile, or is fast in general.

Do you think it's better to switch mid battle after your pokemon get tired or wait for you to lose a stock?
 

Kitamerby

Smash Hero
Joined
Aug 9, 2007
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Las Vegas
For Squirtle, dthrow is a great thing once you become fatigued.

Ivy has her smashes and great spacing throws.

Char should never switch. He needs to go out fighting.

Honestly, switching entirely depends on your playstyle. I find it best to switch once certain requirements are met %-wise and fatigue-wise. I usually start out with Squirtle and swap once I get myself to 70-90% depending on whether my foe is a powerhouse or not (AKA, you can take your time on Samus and MK, but swap long before 90% if you're fighting Ganondorf or Ike), and then again at like 120% or so to Charizard. If I'm fighting someone with a disadvantage to Squirtle, I start with Ivysaur and go until 100% then switch to Char, and if Ivy has a disadvantage, I skip him at 90% and go straight to Charizard. If Char has a disadvantage, I stick with Ivysaur at 100% and have him go out fighting instead. Squirtle is horrible with fatigue, but it doesn't really matter too much with Ivysaur and Charizard. If I find Squirtle fatigued before his time, I stick with him until the % I want anyways and keep racking damage as long as possible, then swap after a dthrow off the side.
 

Syrus_Draco

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Feb 27, 2008
Messages
94
Location
San Francisco, CA
It all depends on how you play your game. To answer your question 1) Yes there is animation lag when you switch out, so your opponent has time to camp your spawn point and get a free attack on you. It would be very nice if you could have invincible frames during that animation when you can't attack but unfortunately there is nothing to protect you. 2) All depends on how you play your game whether to switch or to wait for stock.

Here are some suggestions:

Squirtle: His Down Grab has very high knock back so I would recommend using that. Right after knock back either switch on the spot or distance yourself and then switch.

Ivysaur: Ivysaur alone has some good knock back moves. Typically his Back Grab has the greatest knock back of the grabs, his normal dash attack has great knock back, and his Forward Smash as well. Hitting the opponent with any one of those should give you some fair distance to switch out in time.

Charizard: I tend to never switch out Charizard since he is quite a tank himself. Just keep fighting till you lose the life. Rarely though it may be wise to switch after Charizard has gotten a kill, once again it depends on how you play. You could switch to Squirtle after Charizard has made a kill, but by this time you'd probably have high damange so when you do, you need to play it very safe with Squirtle and expect to die. This however sets you up to use Ivysaur in the next stock if Ivysaur has an advantage against who you're facing.

Key factors that play into switch would be 1) Crowd control; if you're in a FFA it will be easier since the players will be busy fighting each other so you need to eye ball when you have a chance 2) Percents of course may help determin when to switch. Generally the higher the percent, the more you'd want to aim to being the higher evolved Pokemon of your team 3) Opponent tactics, pending who and how they play you may want to be one Pokemon over the other.
 

E.G.G.M.A.N.

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Jun 14, 2007
Messages
301
The Pokemon are completely vulnerable when they first come out. Imo you shouldn't switch unless you are using Squirtle and are at a very low percentage and you either just got a kill or are close to getting one (and you manage to knock away your opponent of course). I would recommend NOT switching out Ivysaur at high damage as Charizard can still be killed fairly quickly past 130 or so. It's just a waste of a perfectly good Pokemon. Unless for some reason you really want to get back to Squirtle fast.
 
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