Tactical Bull****

[Deleted member]

Everyone, for the sake of sanity, STOP NAMING STUPID ****.

Stupid names are just that- stupid. Let's review:

real technical aspects of brawl:

pivot
shield cancel
short hopping
fastfall

tactical bull****- not techniques.-

grand viper- ike's over B, nothing technical or tactical about it!
vulcan drop- drop from edge, back air. Holy ****, an attack from the edge. lame. not a technique.
Techshifting- mashing buttons to avoid teching. good job, buttom masher!
slidesmashing- dash upsmash! difficult ****!
sunwalking- walking forward and doing a forward tilt while you walk. wow. who the **** knew that you could ATTACK while doing BASIC MOTION??! There's NO SUN INVOLVED. Someone call the authorities.

In short, a way to use an attack is USING THE ATTACK IN THE SPECIFIED MANNER, NOT WHATEVER YOU FEEL LIKE NAMING IT.

STOP NAMING ****.

STOP NAMING ****.

 

[KosukeKGA]

I couldn't agree more...

Some people are still using the DLX Hit Cancel too.... Haha...

 

[-Aether]

This thread was so original.

/end sarcasm

By making this thread, you're kind of adding to the crap that plagues SWF's Tactical Brawl section.

 

[Dragon Master Lance]

I agree with what you said about the names, it seems like people are really stretching for techs just so they can give them some B.A name. I disagree about the the Ike Side B not being technical, Casual players don't even consider the fact that the move has other use than just charging it all the way up and hitting the guy on the other side of the screen.

The name is a lil dramtic but o well, and plus saying the following is kind of a mouthful.

"Yo Steve did you see that over b combo to an up tilt followed by an up b"

 

[Deleted member]

I agree with what you said about the names, it seems like people are really stretching for techs just so they can give them some B.A name. I disagree about the the Ike Side B not being technical, Casual players don't even consider the fact that the move has other use than just charging it all the way up and hitting the guy on the other side of the screen.

The name is a lil dramtic but o well, and plus saying the following is kind of a mouthful.

"Yo Steve did you see that over b combo to an up tilt followed by an up b"

at tournaments though, that's how people identify ****. I would sooner say a 3 hit combo with the specified attacks rather than "I did ________________ (insert bull**** name)" and hope the person I'm talking to lurks smashboards for 5 hours a day to know what I'm talking about.

ike's over B- not technical. you over b. you move. that's it. "ohh there's no lag at the end", yes, that's what the move does, not what you apply to it. There's no technique to it, and nothing you press will give it that trait that it wouldn't already otherwise have. you hit over B, you go over. You stop at the edge, your opponent, or when it's over. the end. not tactical in any way.

 

[FishkeeperTimmay!]

Indeed, the names are getting out of hand. Ike's especially. Grand Viper? Whats wrong with QD approach? xD

 

[thewiredknight]

QD Approach would have been fine. The guy who named it had to have played a lot of Guilty Gear where Sol Badguy's Grand Viper could be force cancelled so you could just use it as an approach rather than just an attack.

I have to disagree with you on the way you define a technique however, as you define it in arguing that Ike's Quickdraw as an approach is not a technique. You argue that because it's based around the features of the move it's not technical but this is inherently flawed. By that logic the only thing tactical anybody could do would be to develop something by scratch. Following suit, fastfalling is not tactical even though you call it as such because "it's jsut a feature of falling." I could equally argue that "you fall, you can push a direction while you fall or you can hold down while you fall, nothing technical there."

A technical skill by definition is using procedures to achieve a desired result. Any dictoinary includes this defintion of such. It doesn't have to be something original but using what you are given in order to get what you need out of it. Using Ike's QD as an approach rather than an attack thereby fits as you are using the mechanics of the move to get closer to the enemy without committing to an attack that would leave lag. The same can be said for a lot of combos developed or even things like Toon Link's "Short hop double arrow." It's using what is available to you to achieve a specific goal. The way you define a technique would mean that you can't have such a thing as a "technique" in sword fighting or any other sport. As sword fighting the blade was designed to slash, stab or parry, and that no matter what you are doing you are eseentially doing one of those thre things; howver "sword techniques" are putting your own twist as to what the tool allows.

I agree with you that there are a lot of unecessary names to these techniques players names and it results in a lot of unecessary confusion and a language in and of itself that requires new players to learn before they can derive any benefit from posts or guides but your definition as to what is a technique is noticably narrow.

 

[Jewdo]

BS "ATs" and their names are very quickly forgotten as a fact of disinterest. Don't worry about them - they'll fade away on their own. Only real ATs, and, even then, USEFUL ATs, will be remembered.

Like this one. LOOKY HERE!
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=162220

And this is me writing as I wait for someone to post the input sequence. It feels like Christmas Eve for a six-year-old all over again.

 

[Tyr_03]

I don't care much what we decide to call techniques (as long as they're not named after someone who posted them first) but it'd be nice to get one name for everything atleast. Drives me crazy when two people are trying to talk about the same thing but with two different names because two people "discovered" it and posted it. We need a terms list that only includes actually useful techniques and provide more self-explanatory names.

 

[Yuna]

Oh, Umbreon. This is what I've been repeatedly telling the idiots for months now (and yet they keep doing it).

 

[behemoth]

Oh, Umbreon. This is what I've been repeatedly telling the idiots for months now (and yet they keep doing it).

Oh Yuna. Everyone expects vitriol from your posts, they don't listen.

Here's a fresh, new voice telling us not to post bull****e. And he used colored text!

COLORED TEXT!!

jk, <3 Yuna.

And to OP, I agree.

 

[Brookman]

It seems that dumbed down gameplay attracts dumbed down players.

 

[Powda193]

Everyone, for the sake of sanity, STOP NAMING STUPID ****.

Stupid names are just that- stupid. Let's review:

real technical aspects of brawl:

pivot
shield cancel
short hopping
fastfall

tactical bull****- not techniques.-

grand viper- ike's over B, nothing technical or tactical about it!
vulcan drop- drop from edge, back air. Holy ****, an attack from the edge. lame. not a technique.
Techshifting- mashing buttons to avoid teching. good job, buttom masher!
slidesmashing- dash upsmash! difficult ****!
sunwalking- walking forward and doing a forward tilt while you walk. wow. who the **** knew that you could ATTACK while doing BASIC MOTION??! There's NO SUN INVOLVED. Someone call the authorities.

In short, a way to use an attack is USING THE ATTACK IN THE SPECIFIED MANNER, NOT WHATEVER YOU FEEL LIKE NAMING IT.

STOP NAMING ****.

STOP NAMING ****.

here here. couldnt agree more.

 

[Fredd]

Wow. Who are you to tell others to stop naming?
And hey, if you`re jealous that you didn`t name the move first then please don`t spam us here in the forums.

By the way, you should care less about people coining terms & concentrate on your grammar.

kthxbai!​

 

[RedPeppers]

He's been here since 02 and had over 5,000 posts you idiot. He's got credentials, and really he's right. If people actually know what Smash is there wouldn't be soo much crap here.

 

[Cerozero]

Thank you Umbreon. It is about time someone said something. After lurking on these forums for the last three years I have never seen such a dense concentration of needless moniker conjuring and self-promotion. Those of you who have a "AT" or anything else you want to contribute think hard: How useful is this? Does it really need a ridiculous name? Have I checked if something similar or the same thing been posted already? Lets bring the dignity back to this game.

 

[Cerozero]

I accidentally double posted, my bad.

 

[Demon Kirby]

Can we sticky this thread, please?

 

[Doctor Destructo]

I have this technique, I call it the "Destructo Barrage". Apparently, when you tap A, you punch and/or kick someone. I just discovered this, and I haven't seen any threads on it, so I get to name it.

 

[Deleted member]

Wow. Who are you to tell others to stop naming?
And hey, if you`re jealous that you didn`t name the move first then please don`t spam us here in the forums.

By the way, you should care less about people coining terms & concentrate on your grammar.

kthxbai!​

I am UmbreonMow. You use gay centered text, nazi color on a black background, play Lucas, have less than 100 posts, have worse grammar than I do, and you weren't born in the 1980s. I hate literally everything about you. I live on the east coast, and if I ever see you at a tournament, I will beat you. I am neither exaggerating nor bluffing. I will physically attack you in such a fashion that you will sustain injury. This is a direct threat.

Someone has to be the forum *******. I'm too brash and vulgar to be a mod, so I'll just flame instead. To all new brawl players that read this:

"step up your game, stay away from being lame, and you will get some fame"

if you want to be a good recognized player, don't waste time posting here. Go practice and get smarter and beat everyone and you will get more respect and money and prestige than naming a "technique" that no one understands. trust me.

 

[Brookman]

With that I motion to close the thread.

 

[Gilgamesh]

I'm too brash and vulgar to be a mod.

Nah, it's probably more like the other mods just don't like you.



Still, i wholly agree with the original post.

 

[Deleted member]

I want it stickied. M3D, sticky this.

edit: if that were the case they'd just ban me. I've earned a ban multiple times by now.

 

[da K.I.D.]

I am UmbreonMow. You use gay centered text, nazi color on a black background, play Lucas, have less than 100 posts, have worse grammar than I do, and you weren't born in the 1980s. I hate literally everything about you. I live on the east coast, and if I ever see you at a tournament, I will beat you. I am neither exaggerating nor bluffing. I will physically attack you in such a fashion that you will sustain injury. This is a direct threat.

Someone has to be the forum *******. I'm too brash and vulgar to be a mod, so I'll just flame instead. To all new brawl players that read this:

"step up your game, stay away from being lame, and you will get some fame"

if you want to be a good recognized player, don't waste time posting here. Go practice and get smarter and beat everyone and you will get more respect and money and prestige than naming a "technique" that no one understands. trust me.

WOOOOWWWWWW... such a QFT i might make it my sig, i mean the guy bags on himself in the process and freely admits to flaming..... this dude is awesome!...lmao right now

 

[.kR0]

I still don't understand where the grand viper **** came from. And I use Ike.

And ****, I'm going to name dashattacks to upsmashes with falco

omegachisuperblazingfastish******** upsmash.

 

[Gilgamesh]

edit: if that were the case they'd just ban me. I've earned a ban multiple times by now.

Nah, if a mod just banned everyone he doesn't like, half of smashboards would be already gone. Further proof that the mods aren't the trigger-happy asses some make them out to be.

Except for Mic, that evil post count-cheating jerk.



edit: as an Ike user, I also don't understand this "Grand Viper" nonsense.

 

[Nova X81]

I am UmbreonMow. You use gay centered text, nazi color on a black background, play Lucas, have less than 100 posts, have worse grammar than I do, and you weren't born in the 1980s. I hate literally everything about you. I live on the east coast, and if I ever see you at a tournament, I will beat you. I am neither exaggerating nor bluffing. I will physically attack you in such a fashion that you will sustain injury. This is a direct threat.

Someone has to be the forum *******. I'm too brash and vulgar to be a mod, so I'll just flame instead. To all new brawl players that read this:

"step up your game, stay away from being lame, and you will get some fame"

if you want to be a good recognized player, don't waste time posting here. Go practice and get smarter and beat everyone and you will get more respect and money and prestige than naming a "technique" that no one understands. trust me.

Did you just make a rhyme? Goddamit Mow.

Also QFT, though anyone with half a brain already knows he's right.

 

[KosukeKGA]

The Grand Viper (lol) consists of a Quick Draw to an U-Tilt or something to that affect. It came from some technique which applies in the same fashion to a certain character in Guilty Gear...

 

[Deleted member]

Did you just make a rhyme? Goddamit Mow.

Also QFT, though anyone with half a brain already knows he's right.

ahh, ok.

step up your game, stay away from being lame, and you will get some fame

this is from Azen Zagenite in the H2YL rap. **** I've been playing smash forever.

 

[Lord Knight]

Mow is too strong.

 

[Corigames]

Wow. Who are you to tell others to stop naming?
And hey, if you`re jealous that you didn`t name the move first then please don`t spam us here in the forums.

By the way, you should care less about people coining terms & concentrate on your grammar.

kthxbai!​

There should be a comma after "first."

"kthxbai" is an incomplete... anything.

If we are expected to remember any of the BS names that we see on a day-to-day basis, it would crush our minds. Instead, just say it. How many combos were named in melee? Ken combo is the only one I can think of. Any other combo was a list of moves used in succession. Like, I don't know, a combo! The spam coming from people wanting to have a name labeled on things intentionally put in the game is annoying, not to mention their own name or gamer tag.

 

[henrytran]

OP has a good point. Terms like wavedash, waveshine, shffl, etc. You see the tech/move, you understand why it's called that immediately. Other terms where you're really wondering what the name has to do with the so called "AT"... Whats the point? I even go as far to say a good portion of those so called ATs with BS names are pretty impractical anyway.

 

[PredictablyStubborn]

Smash Boards is full of kiddies who are more infatuated with useless or glitchy **** and labeling their **** than actually discussing the important aspects of winning matches.

Smash Boards has a pretty bad rep on gamefaqs, /v/, and other Smash social sites for all these ridiculous names and "New Advanced Technique finds". In turn, it is giving the actual tournament players a bad rep as well. Smash tournaments aren't full of l33t geeks throwing awful AT names around, I can tell you that.

In order to get better, you play people and think/talk about where things go wrong, where things go right, etc.. You don't tell somebody "Learn to Sun Walk" or "Learn to Wave Throw".

 

[clace]

who knew that you could ATTACK while doing BASIC MOTION??! There's NO SUN INVOLVED. Someone call the authorities.

LAWLCAKES. Anyway, yeah I agree. This topic has been done quite a bit but you delivered it with cookies, milk, and funny, so you win.

EDIT: Hey guys I found this technique were if you press down while not moving, your character goes down a bit. I'm thinking of calling it Jump-Oppositing. What do you think?

 

[everlasting yayuhzz]

These boards have gone downhill since Brawl was announced. Just a bunch of scrubs and whiney children trying to get their claim to fame in a game they will never excel in.

90% of them game from the Nsider forums, and God knows how bad that place was.

 

[Corigames]

This is probably just a case of "inner circle" syndrome. All of us who have been here for a while, or even from the start, don't understand the new people. They are completely different from us. They don't act the same way we do. they don't try to learn the same way we did.

But god ****ed it wouldn't hurt for them to give it a try! Give it any try for that matter! GB2 Disney games...

 

[everlasting yayuhzz]

No, they don't accept the way we play is what's wrong. They sit here and ***** and moan about every little thing. And they don't respect the people who have been here longer and obviously know more than them.

 

[Corigames]

They are the cancer killing 4ch... I mean, smash boards.

 

[everlasting yayuhzz]

This is basically Nsider forums + GamqFAQs with a different skin now.

I'll just start calling this place Gamesider forums now.

 

[Corigames]

A fate worst than the most fowl, cruel pits of the dark tomb known as the lake of sulfur, Hades, or Hell. The bowels of torment rejoice at the sight of our lament and praise its masters who wrought forth such a culmination of condensed evil. Those who find comfort in such a place should be restrained as they are mentally unstable and posses the ability to wipe an entire family of joy and love. Such things are unearthly, inhumane, and devil-some in nature and existence.

Woe is me, for I wander such places.