The 20 Costume Project [27/41] **UPDATE - Pikachu Completed

Star ☆ · Jun 20, 2016

The 20 Costume Project

Early last month I heard word of a new code being developed for Project M to allow a maximum of 20 Costume per character and more than 2 sets of team colours, I got a little bit ahead of myself and started to compile sets of costumes for several characters before revamping it into a full scale project. Pyotr is working on said code and since I have 820 costumes to compile, I'm not all that bothered having to wait for him to finish it

Please be aware that this project will take a long time as I have to make a lot of recolours myself.

When I started this project I laid a few ground rules:

Only tournament legal, professionally made costumes (No alternate characters, only costumes on the existing character)
To retain all costumes in default Project M 3.6 with a few exceptions in regards to nicer looking team colours
To ensure all characters have at least two sets of team colours (Mr. Game and Watch may be an exception to this rule)
All characters will follow one of two costume layouts:

10 | 5 | 5
10 colours of their brawl costume and then 2 alternate costumes, each with 5 colours. This is the most common layout.
10 | 10
10 colours of their brawl costume and then 1 alternate costume with 10 colours as well. This layout is used on characters that do not have a very good choice for a second alternate costume or if both costumes are equally popular to the point where a third one is not required.

Without further ado, here are all the characters I've finished thus far! (The number in each spoiler refers to the ID of the default costume's CSP)

**UPDATE** 13th February - Pikachu Completed!
27/41 Characters Completed

Credit to DavidvKimball for the render of the Mario Maker Costume

Credits to DavidvKimball for the Party Hat Render and LJStar/Moe for the Libre Render!

A big thank you to Zevarus for the renders of Yarn Yoshi!

Credit to Nanobuds for the render of the Epic Yarn costume.

Credit to SJS for the render of the Casino Luigi costume.

Zevarus, the god, rendered the Helmetless set.

Big shoutouts to TheAmazingMemer for the renders of Pyjama Ness!

Credit to DavidvKimball for the render of the Fire Peach Costume.

Big thanks for Mach 7 for rendering Young Zelda and also allowing me to use this Brawl Minus costume in the 20CP!

Big thanks for Mach 7 for rendering Impa Sheik and also allowing me to use this Brawl Minus costume in the 20CP!

Huge thanks to Zevarus and DavidvKimball for the renders of Brawl and Ice Comrades costumes respectively!

Special Thanks to ledgerewskie for the renders of Hooded Marth!

Thanks to davidvkimball for the renders of Dark Pit!

Big thanks for Mach 7 for rendering Chimera Lucas and also allowing me to use this Brawl Minus costume in the 20CP!

Shoutouts to Davidvkimball's render of Mega Form Lucario!

Greil Ike was rendered by my amazing friend @Zevarus ! Huge shoutouts to his hard work.

Huge shoutouts to Moe as he created most of the recolours required to finish Roy's set!

Huge shoutouts to Zevarus for the renders of Toon Link in his Hylian Tunics!

Again, huge shouts to Zev for his amazing render work on Melee Wolf!

Credit to DavidvKimball for the renders of Sonic's default costume.

That's all I have for now folks! I'll be updating this thread as I complete more characters. Stay tuned.

Jmanthesmasher683 · Jun 20, 2016

OH MY GOD

sinistersnakesennin · Jun 20, 2016

Man, I thought I was ambitious, making SmashU aesthetics for everyone...

Javln Mastr · Jun 20, 2016

Wow this is great! Wasn't even aware such a code was in the process of creation. What does that mean for cBliss?

Shren · Jun 20, 2016

Have you seen the upcoming sonic outfit for brawl minus yet? https://twitter.com/_Mach7_/status/731748758640164868

Amazerommu · Jun 20, 2016

Bruh... I need dem Shadow Peach alts... and the 6 of those for my own build will be that much closer to being done. This is so professional looking thus far. (I can't wait to see the Marths)

Star ☆ · Jun 20, 2016

Javln Mastr said:
Wow this is great! Wasn't even aware such a code was in the process of creation. What does that mean for cBliss?

It'll essentially be a new form of Cbliss.

Jmanthesmasher683 · Jun 20, 2016

Do you have any videos of it working in-game?

Star ☆ · Jun 20, 2016

Jmanthesmasher683 said:
Do you have any videos of it working in-game?

The code isn't out yet, you'd have to ask Pyotr. There's proof of concept gfycats though.

Amazerommu · Jun 21, 2016

Oh yeah! Mr. Game and Watch does have an alternate costume called Mrs. Game and Watch. Though even if you wanted to use it, I'm not sure how it would work adding it into PM. Not sure I'd use it myself but here it is if you're interested:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=15779

Star ☆ · Jun 21, 2016

Amazerommu said:
Oh yeah! Mr. Game and Watch does have an alternate costume called Mrs. Game and Watch. Though even if you wanted to use it, I'm not sure how it would work adding it into PM. Not sure I'd use it myself but here it is if you're interested:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=15779

If I could add this in it would be great but I think in a GnW ditto if one male GnW versus a Female GnW with the same colour it could still get very confusing.

Star ☆ · Jun 23, 2016

Toon Link is completed!

Huge shoutouts to Zevarus for the renders of Toon Link in his Hylian Tunics!

sinistersnakesennin · Jun 23, 2016

Star ☆ said:
Toon Link is completed!

This is so sexy D:

Star ☆ · Jun 23, 2016

Another quick update, Ness is done!

Big shoutouts to TheAmazingMemer for the renders of Pyjama Ness!

Smash John · Jun 23, 2016

i just wanted to drop in and say that i love how conservative you are being with most of your costume choices, as well as the quality of your own recolors. keep up the good work

Star ☆ · Jun 23, 2016

Smash John said:
i just wanted to drop in and say that i love how conservative you are being with most of your costume choices, as well as the quality of your own recolors. keep up the good work

Thanks dude. Professionalism is something I have to be very aware of, as the head TO in my scene.

Friesnchip · Jun 24, 2016

This is something I've pursued for quite some time with my own personal build, but I've always felt rather limited by the current version of cBliss. If Pyotr's code is ever finished I'm going to be simply ecstatic. I'm pretty impressed by your costume decisions/organization overall; the original Toon Link/Captain Falcon costumes aren't something I'll probably keep for my own build, but I can see the appeal and have messed around with them myself in the past. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this thread going forward... I'm interested to see what version of Other M Samus you decide to use (also, no MGS1 Snake?).

On a side note, may I ask why you've decided to incorporate 7 | 7 | 6 costume layouts (I'm guessing for the Star Fox crew and/or FE reps) for the future? This is more of a personal opinion, but it seems like you're sacrificing consistency under the assumption of a presumed overall popularity. Granted, for certain characters I can see your point, but it does seem to ruin the general design flow.

Edit: This might be a nitpick to some, but doesn't the inclusion of Ninten go against your 'no alternate character' rule?

Jmanthesmasher683 · Jun 24, 2016

Friesnchip said:
Edit: This might be a nitpick to some, but doesn't the inclusion of Ninten go against your 'no alternate character' rule?

In the description it says "Ninten Clothes". I guess he ran out of alts to use?

Star ☆ · Jun 25, 2016

Friesnchip said:
This is something I've pursued for quite some time with my own personal build, but I've always felt rather limited by the current version of cBliss. If Pyotr's code is ever finished I'm going to be simply ecstatic. I'm pretty impressed by your costume decisions/organization overall; the original Toon Link/Captain Falcon costumes aren't something I'll probably keep for my own build, but I can see the appeal and have messed around with them myself in the past. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this thread going forward... I'm interested to see what version of Other M Samus you decide to use (also, no MGS1 Snake?).

On a side note, may I ask why you've decided to incorporate 7 | 7 | 6 costume layouts (I'm guessing for the Star Fox crew and/or FE reps) for the future? This is more of a personal opinion, but it seems like you're sacrificing consistency under the assumption of a presumed overall popularity. Granted, for certain characters I can see your point, but it does seem to ruin the general design flow.

Edit: This might be a nitpick to some, but doesn't the inclusion of Ninten go against your 'no alternate character' rule?

The only characters I've really chosen for the 7 | 7 | 6 rule are said space animals and Ganondorf, though I see your point with it ruining the consistency. The melee costumes of these characters are much more popular than the originals so it feels more fitting for it to be 7 | 7 | 6. I did originally forsee having more characters follow this rule though, so you raise doubts in my mind.

Pikmin Falcon is somewhat a joke in my community and he's pretty popular among some players, but I can definitely see why people think it's a silly choice for his 2nd alt and don't feel bad that said people would probably change it when they download this pack. Toon Link however was a choice between his Conductor Uniform and the Hylian Tunics. I've never tried the Conductor Uniform but the Hylian Tunics were so popular that it was the final decision. MGS1 Snake is little too similar to his normal costume and Big Boss is so popular that I decided for 10 | 10 in the end.

Ness' Ninten costume has been edited so he shares Ness' face. It's simply a cosplay rather than an alternate character. The other choices were his Poo Cosplay or Robot Ness, the former of which wasn't liked by many and the latter being too distracting and proportionally different ingame.

Friesnchip · Jun 25, 2016

Star ☆ said:
The only characters I've really chosen for the 7 | 7 | 6 rule are said space animals and Ganondorf, though I see your point with it ruining the consistency. The melee costumes of these characters are much more popular than the originals so it feels more fitting for it to be 7 | 7 | 6. I did originally forsee having more characters follow this rule though, so you raise doubts in my mind.

You could always do alternate character sets, like have a pack following consistent guidelines and also one more suited towards your own scene. That way you can appease scrutinous people like myself and another side of the community whom prefer alternate costumes more than the standard Brawl ones.

Pikmin Falcon is somewhat a joke in my community and he's pretty popular among some players, but I can definitely see why people think it's a silly choice for his 2nd alt and don't feel bad that said people would probably change it when they download this pack. Toon Link however was a choice between his Conductor Uniform and the Hylian Tunics. I never tried tried the Conductor Uniform but the Hylian Tunics were so popular that I decided for them in the end. MGS1 Snake is little too similar to his normal costume and Big Boss is so popular that I decided for 10 | 10 in the end.

I generally stick with the more 'canon' costumes, like ones from actual game appearances or references to other characters in a series (such as the Fire Emblem representatives), so I'll probably be using something like the Conductor Link outfit myself. The only exceptions to this for me are characters like ROB, Ice Climbers, or the Trainer Pokermon which don't really have much canonically to choose from (aside from Charizard) which lends them to a bit more creativity costume wise... also Sonic, because who doesn't love Jet Set Radio?

Ness' Ninten costume has been edited so he shares Ness' face. It's simply a cosplay rather than an alternate character. The other choices were his Poo Cosplay or Robot Ness, the former of which wasn't liked by many and the latter being too distracting and proportionally different ingame.

If that's the case, I think you should consider changing Ness' eyes to be more exact to the other models, because there is definitely a significant difference there. I would also suggest keeping Ness' trademark hair puffs rather than Shin's spiky interpretation of Ninten's hair. For any other character it wouldn't really matter, but because Ninten and Ness share such similar designs those little details really matter. That consistency lends itself better to the understanding that this is a cosplay costume, similar to how Marth and Ike keep their general appearance in different attire.

That being said, I now really want a Lloyd costume for Lucas to match Ness - it's a great way to represent Mother 1 in a way that Brawl originally failed to do. I guess that also means Roy needs a 'cosplay' outfit as well, but I don't know who would be willing to take on these kind of projects at the moment.

Star ☆ · Jun 25, 2016

Friesnchip said:
You could always do alternate character sets, like have a pack following consistent guidelines and also one more suited towards your own scene. That way you can appease scrutinous people like myself and another side of the community whom prefer alternate costumes more than the standard Brawl ones.
I generally stick with the more 'canon' costumes, like ones from actual game appearances or references to other characters in a series (such as the Fire Emblem representatives), so I'll probably be using something like the Conductor Link outfit myself. The only exceptions to this for me are characters like ROB, Ice Climbers, or the Trainer Pokermon which don't really have much canonically to choose from (aside from Charizard) which lends them to a bit more creativity costume wise... also Sonic, because who doesn't love Jet Set Radio?
If that's the case, I think you should consider changing Ness' eyes to be more exact to the other models, because there is definitely a significant difference there. I would also suggest keeping Ness' trademark hair puffs rather than Shin's spiky interpretation of Ninten's hair. For any other character it wouldn't really matter, but because Ninten and Ness share such similar designs those little details really matter. That consistency lends itself better to the understanding that this is a cosplay costume, similar to how Marth and Ike keep their general appearance in different attire.

That being said, I now really want a Lloyd costume for Lucas to match Ness - it's a great way to represent Mother 1 in a way that Brawl originally failed to do. I guess that also means Roy needs a 'cosplay' outfit as well, but I don't know who would be willing to take on these kind of projects at the moment.

In regards to your first two things, this pack was originally meant just for me and my scene, but people expressed enough interest when I posted around asking for help with stuff so I decided it'd be worth releasing. I don't want to be rude when I say that I'm not especially intending to cater for a wider audience, but just for me and my friends and this pack is welcome to others to play if they wish. We really love these costumes at our tournaments but I don't at all feel insulted if you would like something different; feel free to change Falcon or Toon Link if you so wish.

When you say references to other things from canon, wouldn't Toon Link's Hylian outfits work, considering each of them represents a different race from Zelda? Not really nitpicking, just understanding your stance on things.

Yeah, my mistake. I messed up changing the eyes on the CSP for Ninten's portrait. I'll be keeping the hairstyle though, that'll require vertex changes and it's more trouble that I feel like going to. Let's just say that Ness put a lot of gel in his hair today.

Friesnchip · Jun 25, 2016

Star ☆ said:
In regards to your first two things, this pack was originally meant just for me and my scene, but people expressed enough interest when I posted around asking for help with stuff so I decided it'd be worth releasing. I don't want to be rude when I say that I'm not especially intending to cater for a wider audience, but just for me and my friends and this pack is welcome to others to play if they wish. We really love these costumes at our tournaments but I don't at all feel insulted if you would like something different; feel free to change Falcon or Toon Link if you so wish.

When you say references to other things from canon, wouldn't Toon Link's Hylian outfits work, considering each of them represents a different race from Zelda? Not really nitpicking, just understanding your stance on things.

Yeah, my mistake. I messed up changing the eyes on the CSP for Ninten's portrait. I'll be keeping the hairstyle though, that'll require vertex changes and it's more trouble that I feel like going to. Let's just say that Ness put a lot of gel in his hair today.

Hey I'm not insulted or anything, just posting suggestions is all. And obviously this your project, I just felt like offering a different perspective as to how others might tackle costumes, if this doesn't align with how you want to proceed that's alright - this is meant for your group anyway and you're doing a fine job regardless (I'm still gonna stick to my guns on the hair thing though *cough*).

Star ☆ · Jun 25, 2016

Friesnchip said:
Hey I'm not insulted or anything, just posting suggestions is all. And obviously this your project, I just felt like offering a different perspective as to how others might tackle costumes, if this doesn't align with how you want to proceed that's alright - this is meant for your group anyway and you're doing a fine job regardless (I'm still gonna stick to my guns on the hair thing though *cough*).

I appreciate the criticism, I do want to ensure that the pack is as professional as possible. Thanks for the points you brought up.

Ondo · Jun 30, 2016

For Pikachu and Jigglypuff, have you considered including recolors as well? In particular, I'd like to see recolors of Headband Jigglypuff more than most other costumes.

If you pick 12 different vertexes, but then give two of them another 4 recolors, they would fit the 10 | 5 | 5 pattern. For Jigglypuff, my choices for the ones to have 5 colors would be Headband and Theytah's Bow Jigglypuff.

DekZek · Jun 30, 2016

Are you going to make consistent CSPs and SIs when you're done, or are you just going to use the ones already present?

ECHOnce · Jul 1, 2016

DekZek said:
Are you going to make consistent CSPs and SIs when you're done, or are you just going to use the ones already present?

Consistent as in a single pose for each character's CSPs/Stock Icons? I personally try to use CSPs with consistent poses too, since it feels messy to have 6ish costumes in one pose and maybe 2 alt. costumes tacked on to the end in another. But I think these could get away without doing so, given how neatly the numbers are divided up for each set of regular/alternate costumes.

In love with these minimalist costume sets~

Star ☆ · Jul 2, 2016

Ondo said:
For Pikachu and Jigglypuff, have you considered including recolors as well? In particular, I'd like to see recolors of Headband Jigglypuff more than most other costumes.

If you pick 12 different vertexes, but then give two of them another 4 recolors, they would fit the 10 | 5 | 5 pattern. For Jigglypuff, my choices for the ones to have 5 colors would be Headband and Theytah's Bow Jigglypuff.

I could, I suppose it depends on the demand for this layout.

DekZek said:
Are you going to make consistent CSPs and SIs when you're done, or are you just going to use the ones already present?

I'll be using these ones. I made a lot of these csps myself.

ECHOnce said:
Consistent as in a single pose for each character's CSPs/Stock Icons? I personally try to use CSPs with consistent poses too, since it feels messy to have 6ish costumes in one pose and maybe 2 alt. costumes tacked on to the end in another. But I think these could get away without doing so, given how neatly the numbers are divided up for each set of regular/alternate costumes.

In love with these minimalist costume sets~

I also think it looks tacky to have 6 ish costumes in one pose then 2 alts tacked on the end however I personally prefer having different costumes in different poses. Since I've set the rules for these characters as 10 | 5 | 5 or 10 | 10 or however I believe it looks neat.

I know a lot of people prefer one single pose but I've always just been a fan of different poses per costume, I think single pose works best when you have lots of different alt costumes, as is the case in legacy, but different poses works well with 2/3 costumes per characters with recolours for each one. You seem to agree which is cool

Cynapse · Jul 5, 2016

Huh. So this is a thing. Fascinating. I disagree with with many of your choices, but to each their own.

However, Dolphin users appear to have a looming problem that will not go away, and that's the 2GB virtual SD card limit.
I threw all of my music into the ISO to save space, but 20 costumes coupled with gradual PM+BeX and my ever-changing ASL configuration make for a tight squeeze. Can files that load dependent of the .gct be thrown into the ISO as well? I sure hope so @_@

Shren said:
Have you seen the upcoming sonic outfit for brawl minus yet? https://twitter.com/_Mach7_/status/731748758640164868

I hereby decree that anyone has not actually earned that outfit (never had a name) in SA2 has no right to use it. Ever.

Star ☆ · Jul 7, 2016

Cynapse said:
Huh. So this is a thing. Fascinating. I disagree with with many of your choices, but to each their own.

Again, this is a personal project for me and my friends so many choices are left up to myself or them but I do appreciate constructive criticism as some have given above.

Cynapse said:
However, Dolphin users appear to have a looming problem that will not go away, and that's the 2GB virtual SD card limit.
I threw all of my music into the ISO to save space, but 20 costumes coupled with gradual PM+BeX and my ever-changing ASL configuration make for a tight squeeze. Can files that load dependent of the .gct be thrown into the ISO as well? I sure hope so @_@

I don't know many of the specifics regarding the coding side of this project, you'd have to hit up Pyotr for this. This project, for the most part, is intended for Wii users but it would be great if it could work for Dolphin players as well.

squeakyboots13 · Jul 7, 2016

I have only three minor criticisms.

1. The Pikmin costume for Captain Falcon looks really tacky and not really fitting for that character. I know you addressed that earlier but it's just so weirdly off putting while everyone else has great choices for their alts. If I end up using this pack, I would likely replace them with extra Retro Falcon recolors.
2. The default and red team colors for Shadow Queen Peach look too similar to each other.
3. Sonic using custom CSPs doesn't fit alongside every other character using their Brawl CSPs. (Zero Suit Samus being an exception to that since she isn't using her Brawl model.)

Beyond those three things, these all look really good. (The Waluigi colored Mr. L is sexy!) Looking forward to seeing what else you come up with.

Star ☆ · Jul 7, 2016

squeakyboots13 said:
I have only three minor criticisms.

1. The Pikmin costume for Captain Falcon looks really tacky and not really fitting for that character. I know you addressed that earlier but it's just so weirdly off putting while everyone else has great choices for their alts. If I end up using this pack, I would likely replace them with extra Retro Falcon recolors.
2. The default and red team colors for Shadow Queen Peach look too similar to each other.
3. Sonic using custom CSPs doesn't fit alongside every other character using their Brawl CSPs. (Zero Suit Samus being an exception to that since she isn't using her Brawl model.)

Beyond those three things, these all look really good. (The Waluigi colored Mr. L is sexy!) Looking forward to seeing what else you come up with.

1. I've had so many questions about this so far that it might be worth looking into. Not sure at this point, like I said, it's for me and my friends and we have people that love the costume so I'm hesitant to change it. If I were to change it though I would prefer a third costume rather than more Retro Falcon colours. If anyone has any suggestions please send them my way.

2. The default costume is actually the red team, the other one is a deep purple, the CSP is really misleading, I'm planning to remake it. Thanks for noticing though.

3. The main reason I'm using a different CSP for Sonic is because he has a model change on every single colour. The Brawl CSPs look tacky IMO when the shoes and bracelets are posed onto them as the best you can do is photoshop them onto the image, this goes for the Tails, Shadow and Silver ones included in PM by default also. If you download my Sonic Semi-Alt pack I have included Brawl CSPs for each of the costumes so if you wish to change them yourself you are very much welcome to.

Good to see this project is getting more exposure, I'm struggling at the moment to make progress as I'm getting onto characters that require more work so I'm trying to enlist some help, I have a few people on speed dial at the moment but if anyone is overly keen in helping out send me a message. Thanks

Star ☆ · Jul 8, 2016

Kirby is done!

Credit to Nanobuds for the render of the Epic Yarn costume.

He definitely took a while as I had to make files for certain copy abilities that change based on costume for each of the Yarn recolours.

Javln Mastr · Jul 8, 2016

Do you mind sharing a download link for the Citrus Kirby, including the copy ability files? I really like what you did with that recolor!

britipinojeff · Jul 8, 2016

so is there any way to download these recolors? or are you waiting until you are done with all the characters?

Star ☆ · Jul 8, 2016

Javln Mastr said:
Do you mind sharing a download link for the Citrus Kirby, including the copy ability files? I really like what you did with that recolor!

Jeffrey Warner said:
so is there any way to download these recolors? or are you waiting until you are done with all the characters?

Yeah sorry guys, all of these will come together when the pack is done, then each of the ones I've made will be released individually.

Star ☆ · Jul 10, 2016

Roy is finished!

Huge shoutouts to Moe as he created most of the recolours required to finish Roy's set!

We're well on our way now. Expect to see me back in this thread fairly often in the next two weeks.

Amazerommu · Jul 10, 2016

You have now taken a character off my to-do list. I didn't know what to do with Kirby. lol. Also those Roy recolors are gooooooooood.

Friesnchip · Jul 10, 2016

The Roy CSPs are looking especially compressed; some edges are even frayed with pixels missing. I know Roy has a large pallet which takes a toll when decreasing the file size, but is there anything you can do to enhance the in-game image quality?

Star ☆ · Jul 10, 2016

Friesnchip said:
The Roy CSPs are looking especially compressed; some edges are even frayed with pixels missing. I know Roy has a large pallet which takes a toll when decreasing the file size, but is there anything you can do to enhance the in-game image quality?

Not particularly, the original image we obtained for the Awakening CSP loses a lot of said quality when using the CMPR format due to a lot of stray pixels and transparency with the hair etc. Since sc_selcharacter.pac will be taking essentially more than double the original amount of CSPs with this pack there isnt much I can do about this problem even with the size limit expansion code. Like I said, this is mainly intended for console so it isn't really a problem so much for Wii users, unless someone wants to make an HD pack. Ondo's code may work with this but considering the majority of the CSPs I've edited thus far have been off ones that have already been compressed via CMPR I would have to re-do a lot of my work.

squeakyboots13 · Jul 10, 2016

The compression wouldn't be noticeable when playing on a Wii.

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