Using shieks needles to stop shield pressure/get a grab.

[Hylian]

I didn't see a topic about this anywhere so heh >_>. Also, this may of been brought up before..I don't frequent these boards so I'm sorry if it has.

Ok well basically, if you have sheiks needles charged and someone(namely a space animal) is approaching you, you can short hop and shoot your needles on the ground. Now shield and if they do an arieal(especially fox's dair) the needles will make them lag a lot and you will be able to shield grab them. I suppose it's still possible to l-cancel perfectly but its very very hard because the lag from the attack hitting the needles on the ground..is a lot.

It only seems like this would work once or twice in a match. But after they catch on to what you are doing you can use it to make them think twice about pressuring your shield or coming in with an arieal into shine >_>...

Just a thought. Let me know what you think.

 

[Sinz]

I actually find it more useful against Marth and Peach. But, then again I just have this weakness for one guy at the tourney, I just cannot beat him well, what ev. I use it to lag out my friend who plays marth so I can be gay.

 

[Hylian]

I've never got the chance to use it on a Marth or peach heh >_>...

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

Sounds cool. Could you shoot needles into a platform to slow down a marth's fsmash so you have enough time to shield (as an additional defense, obviously, not when he's doing it or before you predict he's going to do it)?

 

[soap]

ive done this before, but i would rather save my needles to hit them with

 

[einthesuperdog]

I think it'd be helpful to know how long the needles stick around when laying out these needles. Does someone know how many frames the needles last before disappearing?

 

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

it sounds like a waist, i´d rather take the 17% dmg, and not risk to be shined, or just needle- grab them...

but a nice idea, i might try it against my friends falco :D

he was **** annoyed by double shield once, when he played an IC player, maybe this´ll throw him off too

( you think one needle would be suffiient? and dont they lay aroudn you if you shoot them straight anyways?)

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

it sounds like a waist, i´d rather take the 17% dmg, and not risk to be shined, or just needle- grab them...

but a nice idea, i might try it against my friends falco :D

he was **** annoyed by double shield once, when he played an IC player, maybe this´ll throw him off too

( you think one needle would be suffiient? and dont they lay aroudn you if you shoot them straight anyways?)

They do fall down after they are shot, but chances are that you are close enough to your opponent that either he blocks them and they disappear, or he gets hit and the needles disappear. And the more needles, the greater the lag, the easier it is to shieldgrab. I suppose you could do multiple sh needles, and since your spacie doesn't want to run into them, I suppose you could then throw maybe 2 or 3 before he approaches you.

 

[Yomi-no-Kuni]

no, i was talking about when you´ve got needles staleld, and you shoot them, i thought some would fall onto the ground right next to you (doesnt matter if you hit or not)
might be wrong though