We need Wavedashing, we must take action to assure it

[Mew2King]

I can't imagine playing Brawl without Wavedashing, especially because the better I get, the more I apply and use Wavedashing, instinctively even, and there's a LOT of depth that can be unfolded with Wavedashing still in.

Why should things such as Bowser's Flame Cancel be in Brawl while Wavedashing isn't????

We need this back, we need to all write to Nintendo/Sakurai and tell him that what he's doing is a BIG mistake that needs to be fixed.

 

[AthrunZala]

petition time i think.

 

[NES n00b]

Too late most likely.

There is others gone too and it is sad.

Watch a bunch of people say "see, you guys are afraid of having to be at the n00b level playing without your glitches, lolz. We knew it."

 

[Maricalistaro]

Seems like a futile attempt, on an over discussed topic.

 

[shanus]

At this point in development I doubt anything as substantial as an air dodge mechanic change would be even feasible to implement. However, although WDing is gone as we know it, I'm confident that new tricks of the trade will be employed for a rather largely modified metagame. I wouldnt get too worried yet, and I'm not saying dont try and voice your opinion, but don't expect much from it.

And as I side note, I really wish that WDing, L-cancelling, etc would be employed in the game, but I'm just being realistic about it.

 

[Kor]

We need Wavedashing

no you don't.

 

[Inkslinger]

I was able to waveland more than any other person there.....so it might possibly be in, but i wasn't trying it the traditional way, it's probably done differently. oh and cc to grab is still in the game.

 

[Mew2King]

There is too much depth that can be unvealed if Wavedashing is still in, it makes a lot more options possible, why shouldn't we have that accessory? What's the point of air dodging with momentum, that's not even useful. All they have to do is make it so that control stick influences air dodging, it would make it a good tournament game, and Nintendo would possibly be sponsored if their game is good enough, and this is a key element in doing so. Noobs wouldn't understand until they implimented it into their game like the pros have, it's a really amazing tactic with ridiculous depth and uses.

 

[HyperTheHedgehog]

I hope this is a joke thread.

 

[SmashChu]

Really people. IT'S OUT. Deal with it instead of being little babies about it. You ever think that Sakurai meant to take it out? SSB64 works as a competitive game without WDing. Just stop your *****ing and live with it rather then being a bunch of whiny brats.

 

[nealdt]

Too late, get over it M2K, sorry bud.

 

[Zek]

Nothing you can do will change anything. Deal with it.

 

[Aryman]

It's out, get over it.

Denial
Anger
Bargaining <-- you are here
Depression
Acceptance

 

[shanus]

smashchu awesome pic ;-)

 

[Kimosabae]

1. Petitions almost never accomplish anything.

2. I'm sad to see WD go, but even so, I know that WDing has got to be one of the least important aspects to fret about losing in the transition to Brawl. My biggest fear is the auto-l-cancels, at the moment.


-SynikaL

 

[Gerbil]

I believe the concept of Wavelanding was still in right?

So here's what I've been thinking (maybe others have too, but I'm calling dibs lol). If the airdodge is affected by the character's current momentum, then why can we not put ourselves in to that momentum state to waveland?

For example, If I perform a short hop and immediately slam the direction input towards an angle that is more horizontal than downwards, while at the same time forcing the character to Fast Fall, wouldn't my momentum be down and to the horizontal direction I inputted? Thus my momentum air dodge SHOULD be towards the direction I am landing on the ground. This concept is grasped from Triangle Jumping, and though it may not be like a WD, the concept can still apply and may still be useful.

Granted, it sounds like a lot to do in a SH and may require precise timing, but hey, we play Smash Bros. competitively, we should be able to conquer anything technical lol.

 

[Brawl Melee 64]

We need wavedashing

We dont need wavedashing. you do.

 

[Mew2King]

the point of WDing is to QUICKLY land, it is extremely useful around the edge/ledge, to either WD off or more importantly WD on. It can also be used to slide away from attacks, commonly done out of shield. It's also an advanced form of movement, using momentum completely takes away from any good use of it.

 

[Card]

Too late, get over it M2K, sorry bud.

QFT.

Brawl is going to be just like every other Sequel game on the market (Fighting or not).
The basic fundamentals and rules of the game will remain intact, but many other parts of the game will be changed and tweaked.

Halo 2 to Halo 3
Mario Kart 64 to Mario Kart DS
Soul Calibur 1 to Soul Calibur 2
Street Fighter 2 to Street Fighter 3

The list goes on.... and on.... and on....
Every single game I mentionned above, along with a ton of others, all abide by the bolded statement I wrote above.

It's going to be about ADAPTING and MOVING ONWARDS.
Stay behind with the old, and you will perish.
It really is that simple when it comes down to it...



Besides... of all people, M2K will be the quickest to adapt. You just need to get over the fact that Wavedash is gone... and no a petition to add it at the last minute WILL NOT work.

 

[AthrunZala]

i know what m2k is saying. think of all the tatics that could be implimented if wd was in the game. the new mind games you would have where as you can either waveland or dodge then jump. the game would be so much more in depth then it is now. right now instead of people winning because of skill it is going to come down to who di's worse and who gets in the lucky kill.

the reason games such as street fighter and all dont accept smash as a competitive game is for the fact that if you just picked up a controller and fsmash you could win like in 64 days where all you had to do was grab to win. the depth at which the game could be played is why people started to accept melee. whether or not wd is in brawl to me doesnt mean i wont enjoy the game however i see the competitve aspect of this game slipping.

 

[yoshi_fan]

I can't imagine playing Brawl without Wavedashing, especially because the better I get, the more I apply and use Wavedashing, instinctively even, and there's a LOT of depth that can be unfolded with Wavedashing still in.

Why should things such as Bowser's Flame Cancel be in Brawl while Wavedashing isn't????

We need this back, we need to all write to Nintendo/Sakurai and tell him that what he's doing is a BIG mistake that needs to be fixed.

Sorry Mew2King, you are the best pro of melee, and THAT in MELEE would be true but...

THIS IS BRAWL WHAT THE ****, STOP TRATING BRAWL LIKE MELEE FOR GOD'S SAKE

(dies)

 

[kerploplesteesh]

does anyone honestly believe that the game will be better if it lacks the depth that melee has?

(l cancelling, wavedashing... especially wavedashing)

Realistically, while i'd hate to consider m2k's effort to make the game as good as melee is futile, it very well might be. If anyone start a petition or something of the sort i'll sign it, but chances are its too late.

 

[NES n00b]

The worry is this game is going to be Mario Kart 64 to Mario Kart DD. <_<

Edit: At above, seems like it or that magically other techs will appear since things are removed. That is the logic I see. Things removed = things more added

 

[Mew2King]

I've been WDing as my main form of movement over the past year, and the more I play this game the more use I find for it to expand my game. It brings up many possible offensive and defensive maneuvers. Without WDing my entire new game strats will be wasted into nothing, and all I will be able to do is Dash Dance camp. Don't get me wrong, I'm good at DD camping, but it's really boring and I'd rather not only do that to approach or avoid attacks to counterattack/strike them with. I won't ever adapt to no WDing, I'm just going to full jump air dodge into the air and lag myself a lot and get *****.

 

[Kittah4]

A thing to consider is that Sakurai has had over a year in development to decide whether wavedashing was a glitch or something he wanted to keep in its current form. For all intents, it seems like he decided the latter. Who are we, then, to argue with that? We must take the game at face value.

Gimpyfish at least seems to be having a ball with it. I for one am a bit upset that Yoshi has lost DJC, however its not the end of the world, and may actually help him in some way that I cant fathom at the moment, we'll just have to see.

 

[AthrunZala]

QFT.

Brawl is going to be just like every other Sequel game on the market (Fighting or not).
The basic fundamentals and rules of the game will remain intact, but many other parts of the game will be changed and tweaked.

Halo 2 to Halo 3
Mario Kart 64 to Mario Kart DS
Soul Calibur 1 to Soul Calibur 2
Street Fighter 2 to Street Fighter 3

The list goes on.... and on.... and on....
Every single game I mentionned above, along with a ton of others, all abide by the bolded statement I wrote above.

It's going to be about ADAPTING and MOVING ONWARDS.
Stay behind with the old, and you will perish.
It really is that simple when it comes down to it...



Besides... of all people, M2K will be the quickest to adapt. You just need to get over the fact that Wavedash is gone... and no a petition to add it at the last minute WILL NOT work.

but games like the ones you named here accepted "glitchs" like wavedashing and l can and controlled them. they even named them in their test and made sure they were in the game because it makes the game more in depth then lets say go around and fsmashing people to no end.

 

[RyokoYaksa]

This thread sounds like little more than an open invitation from M2K for everyone to get better than him in Brawl.

 

[Fletch]

I'd sign a petition for it, but something tells me M2K is being a little sarcastic.

 

[Mew2King]

It's such a bad decision, I doubt he spent a year thinking of it, he is MAKING A BIG MISTAKE.

WAVEDASHING ADDS A LOT OF -- DEPTH --

-- DEPTH -- is GOOD

If noobs don't like it, you don't have to use it, let the pros be using it at tourneys at least.

Otherwise we are all gonna just DD camp.

L-cancelling (R-cancelling too) I don't care because I'll instinctively do that and then nothing will change, but if I instinctively do WD then I'll just air dodge upwards and lag a lot. I also think WDing is a lot more important than L-cancelling since the timing for different aerials differs and the actual pressing L or R isn't a big deal at all to do.



EDIT - I am definitely not being sarcastic at all

 

[Kimosabae]

I've been WDing as my main form of movement over the past year, and the more I play this game the more use I find for it to expand my game. It brings up many possible offensive and defensive maneuvers. Without WDing my entire new game strats will be wasted into nothing, and all I will be able to do is Dash Dance camp. Don't get me wrong, I'm good at DD camping, but it's really boring and I'd rather not only do that to approach or avoid attacks to counterattack/strike them with. I won't ever adapt to no WDing, I'm just going to full jump air dodge into the air and lag myself a lot and get *****.

M2k, you're really making yourself look bad...

-SynikaL

 

[GreenKirby]

"see, you guys are afraid of having to be at the n00b level playing without your glitches, lolz. We knew it."

lulz oppritunist

And Aryman (sp) you were right. First there was denial, then anger. Now bargaining. That's so cool. :D

 

[Zombie Lucille Ball]

personally I'm more concerned about everyone having the same falling speed and that falling speed being "really floaty"

 

[Jay Talbayne]

Ok imma be real with everyone... who is serious about taking action. I may not be pro, but im no Noob . Truthfully It shouldnt matter whether wavedashing is in or not. Wavedashing is my favorite technique but its exactly what it is.. a technique. Something learned to make you a better player at the game. This game is Entirely new and im sure there will be really nice utilities of the new techniques in the game. I think that if your a true gamer.. better yet smasher.. You will adapt to the new engine and still come out on top.. if you dont then do what you told the noobs when you played them in melee... GET BETTER. So people if wave dashing isnt in i wanna say this... and please i mean no disrespect but... STOP CRYING, SUCK IT UP, AND BRAWL ***** BRAWL.

 

[Mew2King]

I don't care what you think @ Synikal, while I might have been exaggerating I'm trying to stress the point that WDing brings a lot of high level gameplay elements and that not having them will make this game worse.

This is extremely important to me I don't want it to be out, I wish someone would do something to let it be in.

 

[Gerbil]

I'm sure you'll still do fine though dude. Even with the instinct to WD, you can at least move out of an airdodge into an air attack or into an up b or into your second jump. They took out WD, but gave us more options in return.

The Edge Hug will be the new Edge Hog lol, so perhaps there will be something to replace the WD. *shrugs*

 

[GreenKirby]

But Mew2King, think about it from developer's POV.

Unless everybody's traction is equal, it's pretty hard to balance the game and keep wavedashing in.

 

[Emblem Lord]

lol.

M2k says l-cancelling isn't as important but if he tries to SHFFL in Brawl and he lags like crazy and gets ***** then he will care.

Assuming l-cancelling is out.

 

[Koga]

If you're really good at a game, you don't rely on one thing to make you competative, if its gone, then make the adjustment and get better.

 

[Card]

It's out, get over it.

Denial
Anger
Bargaining <-- you are here
Depression
Acceptance

Based on the last line of his last post, I think he's moved on towards the next step, Depression.

Only one more to go Mew2King!

 

[Jay Talbayne]

If you're really good at a game, you don't rely on one thing to make you competative, if its gone, then make the adjustment and get better.

What he said ^