What Could This Attack Be?

[Tepig2000]

This thread is to discuss about today's pic. Some say this is Shield Breaker, some say it is Dancing Blade... what attack do you think it is?

 

[Diddy Kong]

I think it´s indeed from the Dancing Blade attack.

 

[Pheta Ray]

Definitely Dancing Blade. Note the slash motion. Marth wields a Falchion, which is a sword used primarily for stabbing. So if it was going to be shield breaker, and he uses a stabbing sword, it definitely wouldn't be a slash attack.

 

[IsmaR]

I thought it was Ike at first.

 

[Tepig2000]

Definitely Dancing Blade. Note the slash motion. Marth wields a Falchion, which is a sword used primarily for stabbing. So if it was going to be shield breaker, and he uses a stabbing sword, it definitely wouldn't be a slash attack.

I remember him using a slash in Melee when he used his Neutral Special.

 

[Clebus]

I remember him using a slash in Melee when he used his Neutral Special.

He totes def did.

 

[Tepig2000]

Yes he did.

 

[Pheta Ray]

Ah. Well, the more you know.

For real though. Stabbing works better.

 

[Tepig2000]

Ah. Well, the more you know.

For real though. Stabbing works better.

Yeah. It works better. Everyone says Melee's was better for some reason, so why not give whatever is better in the Melee version to the stabbing one?

 

[IsmaR]

It makes sense for a rapier-like sword. If you actually trained to go for only slashes with one, you might as well be trying to hit them with just the hilt

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah. It works better. Everyone says Melee's was better for some reason, so why not give whatever is better in the Melee version to the stabbing one?

It was better because you could edgeguard with it cause of it´s overhead-hitbox.

 

[IsmaR]

I liked flying around with it in Brawl when you were high enough.

 

[Clebus]

How about stabbing animation but overhead hitbox???

 

[Commander]

It was better because you could edgeguard with it cause of it´s overhead-hitbox.

Why not just forward smash instead?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Melee Charged B is less likely to stale, as nobody uses it basically outside of edgeguarding. Also, you can wait for the opponent coming in while charging, and Neutral B is I think slightly stronger when not tipper'd. It's mostly the first reason though. Forward Smash shouldn't be staled.

 

[Commander]

Does a tippered stale fsmash really lose so much potential when edge guarding? Of course you can also wait to start your fsmash and charge it so you can get a similar effect to melee's shield breaker.

 

[moltenrokk]

I dont think its his Shield Breaker since he used two hands for Shield Breaker in Melee when it was an over head slash. If you zoom in close you can see that he's only using one hand. Also, if im not mistaken, the slash is red so it corresponds with the forward dancing blade variation from Melee i believe.

 

[Tepig2000]

I changed the title and main post, since I am starting to think it is not Shield Breaker.

 

[Commander]

I changed the title and main post, since I am starting to think it is not Shield Breaker.

It is very clearly Dancing Blade. Why are you just starting to think it is not Shield Breaker.

 

[Clebus]

Melee Charged B is less likely to stale, as nobody uses it basically outside of edgeguarding. Also, you can wait for the opponent coming in while charging, and Neutral B is I think slightly stronger when not tipper'd. It's mostly the first reason though. Forward Smash shouldn't be staled.

It's not only for edgeguarding, since you can use it in the air, unlike fsmash. If you try to Ken Combo but the dair of even DS isn't spaced right you can use it. I see that a lot.

 

[Commander]

It's not only for edgeguarding, since you can use it in the air, unlike fsmash. If you try to Ken Combo but the dair of even DS isn't spaced right you can use it. I see that a lot.

Where do you see that? I've only seen Dolphin Slash be used in place of the dair.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Considering how ledge mechanics work in Brawl (Auto snapping), using a laggy move and Fsmashing the edge isn't the best option, and you definitely don't want to charge it. Because when you commit to a move that means your opponent can counter react which means they get to go on stage for free. And in both games Having the opponent on the ledge and forcing them to come back on stage is really favorable for Marth because of his spacing game. The reason it was so good in Melee is that you had to recover high some times and if your opponent chose that option Marth could cover it along with a number of other approaches.

 

[Commander]

Considering how ledge mechanics work in Brawl (Auto snapping), using a laggy move and Fsmashing the edge isn't the best option, and you definitely don't want to charge it. Because when you commit to a move that means your opponent can counter react which means they get to go on stage for free. And in both games Having the opponent on the ledge and forcing them to come back on stage is really favorable for Marth because of his spacing game. The reason it was so good in Melee is that you had to recover high some times and if your opponent chose that option Marth could cover it along with a number of other approaches.

Aren't you committing to shield breaker when you charge it too? Wouldn't that mean that neither shield breaker or fsmash should be used to edge guard especially shield breaker since it must be charged while fsmash can come out without being charged?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Dancing Blade without a doubt.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Aren't you committing to shield breaker when you charge it too? Wouldn't that mean that neither shield breaker or fsmash should be used to edge guard especially shield breaker since it must be charged while fsmash can come out without being charged?

You don't charge it unless they commit, and it's a sure fire move against some characters like Falcon, where his recovery is terrible and predictable and the angle at how he get's on stage/ledge makes the move perfect against him. Also the move hit's at an angle that makes it harder to recover from, even when properly DI'd. And remember in Melee, unless sweet spotted you will over shoot the ledge and get hit by attacks before grabbing onto the ledge.

It's also comes out fast enough to catch any recovery that's not phantasm. And even then, you can react/read it and do the appropriate punish. It's not a all in one best move to edgegaurd with by any means, but it is a great move that helps cover a lot of options.

 

[Commander]

You don't charge it unless they commit, and it's a sure fire move against some characters like Falcon, where his recovery is terrible and predictable and the angle at how he get's on stage/ledge makes the move perfect against him. Also the move hit's at an angle that makes it harder to recover from, even when properly DI'd. And remember in Melee, unless sweet spotted you will over shoot the ledge and get hit by attacks before grabbing onto the ledge.

It's also comes out fast enough to catch any recovery that's not phantasm. And even then, you can react/read it and do the appropriate punish. It's not a all in one best move to edgegaurd with by any means, but it is a great move that helps cover a lot of options.

What keeps fsmash from covering those same options? You don't have to charge it just like you don't have to charge SB and doesn't it have a similar angle?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Fsmash is stronger uncharged, and against other opponents you are right, it is better to use since it has similar utility. I'm not saying Fsmash is a terrible move to edgegaurd with, but it has it's moments just as Shield Breaker does.

 

[Clebus]

Where do you see that? I've only seen Dolphin Slash be used in place of the dair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMR5BJB4qME
Go to about 4:05
That's Ken vs. Isai. I think I've seen the same thing in newer vids...
I think he used it since dair would be too low and so would DS
I think he charged it up a bit too.

 

[CardiganBoy]

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This thread is to discuss about today's pic. Some say this is Shield Breaker, some say it is Dancing Blade... what attack do you think it is?

Nah thats definitely his Final Smash.

 

[JesseMcCloud]

Guys...that's clearly Ike.

 

[CardiganBoy]

Nah, thats clearly blue DK using the Hookshot.

 

[TechMage299]

Melee was better overall, it had more range, worked as an effective edgegaurd tool, and covered more area, instead a straight hitbox

 

[SmashShadow]

Melee was better overall, it had more range, worked as an effective edgegaurd tool, and covered more area, instead a straight hitbox

The red area is incorrect.

 

[Clebus]

The white is correct soooooo

EDIT: Just realized this turned into a Melee vs. Brawl discussion
lolololol

 

[TechMage299]

Oh you're right, the stab does extend but you get the point

 

[Clebus]

haha
the 'point'

 

[ToothiestAura]

Definitely Dancing Blade. Note the slash motion. Marth wields a Falchion, which is a sword used primarily for stabbing. So if it was going to be shield breaker, and he uses a stabbing sword, it definitely wouldn't be a slash attack.

The name of his sword is Falchion it, however, it not a falchion. This is stupid, but true.

 

[Commander]

The name of his sword is Falchion it, however, it not a falchion. This is stupid, but true.

Falchions are also rounded rapier like weapons and the Falchion Marth uses is not intended for solely stabbing either, it is just a normal long sword and it is used for both slashing an stabbing. It is only rapiers that are stabbing only.