3.6 Alternate Stage Speculation!

[Nefnoj]

As we all know, the 3.6 update features the Alternate Stage Loader, featuring stages that were long removed or forgotten to Smash Bros... Until this day.
Time to speculate! What alternate stages will there be?

• All remastered N64 stages appear to get a classic counterpart,
  
• Project M stages appear to get their original Brawl counterparts.

 

[MegaMissingno]

Please please please please please have 24/7 K.K. Slider on Smashville. I've been wanting this for such a long time now.

 

[trash?]

cannot wait for people to catch the code this uses so I can have like three different versions of battlefield whenever I want

 

[Nefnoj]

My guesses?

• Port Town Aero Dive will get Mute City from Melee,
• Fourside might get New Pork City,
  
• Flat Zone 2 might get Flat Zone 1,
• Jungle Japes might get Melee's Kongo Jungle,
  
• I really want Pirate Ship to get the Great Bay from Melee,
• Spear Pillar I hope gets Pokéfloats (though it's likely to be a tournament Friendly version)
• I feel like the Yoshi's Island stage will get a visual revamp,
  
• Final Destination might get Final Destination,
  
• And as Mega Missingno stated: I REALLY want 24/7 KK.

 

[MegaMissingno]

A little off-topic, but I just noticed Delfino's Secret is on the bottom row of page 1. If they can get people to embrace it as a tournament stage, I will be so happy!

 

[Nefnoj]

A little off-topic, but I just noticed Delfino's Secret is on the bottom row of page 1. If they can get people to embrace it as a tournament stage, I will be so happy!

So that's the order of stages? Tourny friendliness?

 

[Xermo]

cannot wait for people to catch the code this uses so I can have like three different versions of battlefield whenever I want

ASL code has been around for years now.

 

[trash?]

as in people using it more often for PM custom stages, though

it's rare enough to get custom stages for PM at all in 3.5, I'm hoping this gets people to make more

 

[MegaMissingno]

So that's the order of stages? Tourny friendliness?

Well, some people seem to think of it that way, I've seen plenty of lazy people just say bottom row starters second row counterpicks. And the PMDT does at least try to sort them that way and shuffle them around each update based on popular opinion, so I'm guessing/hoping this means maybe they've shrunk it to address people's complaints that it's too big for competition and they think it's good enough to belong there now.

 

[flintconfirmed]

I'm really happy that there are finally more decent Mario stages to play.

I know it's a bad stage but I'm extremely partial to the Subcon stage since SMB2 is peaches inspiration.
Nostalgia for great bay, i also hope is hidden in there.
I have no idea what else i could wish for.

Edit. Skeleton makes really radical non tourney stages basically my last wish would be his lumine hall stage under Onett or something.

 

[Game&Watcher]

Corneria will either get Venom or Sector Z.
Norfair might get P:M v3.02's Norfair.
Final Destination (Melee) should get Final Destination (Brawl)
Port Town: Aero Dive might get Mute City (Melee) when Mewtwo2000 completes it.
Temple might get Skyloft (from older versions of P:M)
Training Stage (P:M) could be almost anything, but what comes to mind is the Online Training Stage (Brawl) and TEST (Melee)
But these are just my guesses.

 

[Shane Lee Shin]

... Maybe I went a little crazy hype with the trailer but... where... where did you get these pictures from?

 

[flintconfirmed]

... Maybe I went a little crazy hype with the trailer but... where... where did you get these pictures from?

Art sunday imgur.

 

[Leafeon]

Please please please please please have 24/7 K.K. Slider on Smashville. I've been wanting this for such a long time now.

• And as Mega Missingno stated: I REALLY want 24/7 KK.

Get used to it.

 

[Shane Lee Shin]

Well, we already know what Corneria's Alt will be:

My thoughts: AWESOOOOOOOME

 

[MegaMissingno]

Get used to it.

Oooh, I'm digging that remix. Are the other ones posted anywhere? Really wanna hear the Delfino's Secret one.

 

[Leafeon]

Oooh, I'm digging that remix. Are the other ones posted anywhere? Really wanna hear the Delfino's Secret one.

I couldn't find the ones by Garrett Williamson or the one by Will Rock, the 'Chillin' with the Bros.' song can be found on ocremix, and I personally recognized the F.I.A.B. name.

Edit: Garrett Williamson's Soundcloud https://soundcloud.com/gwilliamson

 

[flintconfirmed]

On the side topic of music i really hope that M version of Animal Crossing theme is the original theme and not there newer ones

 

[Chzrm3]

• I really want Pirate Ship to get the Great Bay from Melee,

Oh wow, that'd be amazing! Totally down for that, and I'm also gonna throw a nod towards 24/7 KK, since his songs are all dirty and it'd be amazing to not go "oh hey it's Saturday let's play some PM - FEEEEK It's already 1. @_@"

 

[Nefnoj]

... Maybe I went a little crazy hype with the trailer but... where... where did you get these pictures from?

Nanobuddy.

On the side topic of music i really hope that M version of Animal Crossing theme is the original theme and not there newer ones

I don't mind the newer stuff, personally... But the older stuff is definitely better, haha!

Well, we already know what Corneria's Alt will be:

My thoughts: AWESOOOOOOOME

It looks like the only Smash 64 stages that won't be returning are Mushroom Kingdom and Yoshi's Island: Zebes is an alternate stage for Brinstar, which makes me superhype.

 

[Chzrm3]

Nanobuddy.

I don't mind the newer stuff, personally... But the older stuff is definitely better, haha!

It looks like the only Smash 64 stages that won't be returning are Mushroom Kingdom and Yoshi's Island: Zebes is an alternate stage for Brinstar, which makes me superhype.

Oh woah, really? That's amazing, that's actually my favorite 64 level. I've never felt like Brinstar lived up to it, only because it was too small. The n64 stage was pretty spacious, and that made the rising acid pretty exciting.

Where'd they show Zebes? I gotta show my friends haha, they're gonna flip.

edit: nvm, just caught it up there. sorry!

 

[Nefnoj]

Oh woah, really? That's amazing, that's actually my favorite 64 level. I've never felt like Brinstar lived up to it, only because it was too small. The n64 stage was pretty spacious, and that made the rising acid pretty exciting.

Where'd they show Zebes? I gotta show my friends haha, they're gonna flip.

It's on the first screenshot, Brinstar/Zebes is the highlighted stage!

 

[iX_Martyr_Xi]

Here are my thoughts. My decisions would change with time, as the more time the PMDT have, the more potential the PMDT have with unique stages.

Page 1
Skyworld = Brawl Skyworld(breakable platforms and stuff)
Hyrule Castle = N64 Hyrule Castle(Confirmed)
Metal Cavern = N64 Metal Cavern(Confirmed by PMBE Member)
Bowser's Castle = Hazardless Bowser's Castle
Saffron City = N64 Saffron City(Confirmed by PMBR Member)
Peach's Castle = N64 peach's Castle(Confirmed by PMBR Member)
Infinite Glacier = Brawl Summit(Confirmed)
Lylat Cruise = Melee Venom?
WarioWare(now AshleyWare) = Brawl WarioWare(with mini-games)
Fountain of Dreams... I got nothing.
Final Destination = Brawl Final Destination(hopefully with fixed siding)
Yoshi's Island = Seasonless Yoshi's Island?(Seasons don't change)
Distant Planet = Brawl Distant Planet(pretty much confirmed)
Norfair = Brawl Norfair
Yoshi's Story = Melee Yoshi's Island? N64 Yoshi's Island? (A re-made Melee Yoshi's Story would be beautiful, but I am not too sure if they would do that.)
Green Hill Zone = Brawl Green Hill Zone(Confirmed)
Smashville... I got nothing, so I am going to roll with the 24/7 K.K. Slider idea.
Battlefield = Melee Battlefield(Confirmed)
Pokemon Stadium 2 = Pokemon Stadium 1(with or without hazards?)(Confirmed)
Delfino's Secret (A.K.A. Dracula's Castle) = Delfino Plaza(Confirmed)
Dreamland = N64 Dreamland(Confirmed) (Personally, I would have liked a competitive Green Greens, but I don't mind the N64 Dreamland.)

Page 2
Shadow Moses Island = Pillarless SMI?
Kongo Jungle... I got nothing, considering Jungle Japes and Rumble Falls are already on the menu. Maybe Melee Kongo Jungle.
Fourside = New Pork City (Sadly. That stage was... Just... No.)
Onett... I got nothing.
Big Blue... No idea.
Port Town Aero Dive = Melee Mute City(PLEASE PMBR!) If not that, maybe Neutal/Frozen Port Town Aero Dive.
Flat Zone 2 = Flat Zone 1
Luigi's Mansion... I got nothing.
Jungle Japes... Maybe Waterless Jungle Japes? Or Melee Kongo Jungle is it wasn't under N64 Kongo Jungle.
Corneria = N64 Sector Z(Basically Confirmed from Art Sunday Imgur)
Brinstar = N64 Planet Zebes(Basically confirmed from Art Sunday)
Temple = Skyloft(It doesn't appear on the menu, so that's my guess.)
Pirate Ship... I got nothing.(I personally don't think Melee Great Bay would make it in, but I don't frown upon the idea.)
Spear Pillar... I got nothing.(I don't think they would make a Poke Floats. However, I don't frown upon the idea.)
Training Room = Brawl Training Room(Maybe with platforms...)
Rumble Falls = Brawl Rumble Falls
Halberd = Halberd with Hazards(That's my guess at least.)
Frigate Orpheon = One-sided Frigate Orpheon(doesn't flip) OR Melee Brinstar Depths?(It's a possibility.)
Castle Siege = Singular Castle Siege (probably the first or thrid stage without transformations)
Hanenbow = Brawl Hanenbow(Hopefully something else.)
Pictochat = Brawl Picochat

Also, Alternate Stage Loader(minimized to ASL) has been a code since 2010? (approximately) and has last been caught working with Project M 2.6. It started glitching with 3.0, and I am SO happy the PMDT have worked this code into the game. Personally, I would have liked if they had certain stages with a "Press R + A" option, for another alternative stage, like N64 Battlefield and N64 FD.

EDIT: Confirmed from Nanobuds from the PMDT, not all stages are getting Alts. Mewtwo2000 is planning on updating his old ASL tool in order for it to work with Project M 3.6's codeset.

 

[VGM1]

Halberd's alt could be that the stage starts off on the ship and doesn't float about. Castle Siege could bring back the middle segment.

 

[wiiztec]

ASL code has been around for years now.

It's ASPRL now though

 

[BronzeGreekGod]

Some of the stages id really like to see in there somewhere (in no particular order):

- venom (star fox)
- mushroom kingdom
- mushroom kingdom 2
- mushroom kingdom 3
- yoshis island
- great bay
- Castle siege - i think that for this, the normal stage should be the 1st and 3rd transformations, while the alt stage should be ONLY the 2nd transformation (but with NO HURDBOXES on the statues)

So questions.. how do people know what stages are confirmed to not be in it (like mushroom kingdom and yoshis island)?
And also, how do we know sector Z is confirmed?

Edit: lastly, do we know for sure that every stage gets an alt?

 

[Shane Lee Shin]

So questions.. how do people know what stages are confirmed to not be in it (like mushroom kingdom and yoshis island)?
And also, how do we know sector Z is confirmed?

ZSS is standing on sector Z in the PM Art Sunday

In the SSS in the video and in the art sunday, you can see the Alternate stage that will be loaded under the stages larger menu picture:

 

[ninjuh1124]

Will we finally see Pokefloats?

 

[BronzeGreekGod]

ZSS is standing on sector Z in the PM Art Sunday

In the SSS in the video and in the art sunday, you can see the Alternate stage that will be loaded under the stages larger menu picture:

Ah i see sector z there, and zebes obviously, but how do we know mushroom kingdom and yoshis island are out for sure?

 

[Shane Lee Shin]

Ah i see sector z there, and zebes obviously, but how do we know mushroom kingdom and yoshis island are out for sure?

There might be more info on the reddit site. Some of the the PMDT talked about some other stages (maybe). The video (sort of) confirms Delfino Plaza, the brawl version of infinite glacier, brawl version of Distant Planet, and Pokemon Stadium is an alternate to Pokemon Stadium 2.

 

[MLGF]

Guys aren't considering they may combine two totally different stages from 3.5 onto one. I think halberd and find may be together for example

 

[Sour Supreme]

Really hope that Yoshi's Story doesn't simply have Yoshi's Island Melee.

I honestly hate Melee Yoshi's Island.

 

[BronzeGreekGod]

I want the original yoshis island back. I love that stage

 

[flintconfirmed]

Some of the stages id really like to see in there somewhere (in no particular order):

- venom (star fox)
- mushroom kingdom
- mushroom kingdom 2
- mushroom kingdom 3
- yoshis island
- great bay
- Castle siege - i think that for this, the normal stage should be the 1st and 3rd transformations, while the alt stage should be ONLY the 2nd transformation (but with NO HURDBOXES on the statues)

So questions.. how do people know what stages are confirmed to not be in it (like mushroom kingdom and yoshis island)?
And also, how do we know sector Z is confirmed?

Edit: lastly, do we know for sure that every stage gets an alt?

What was mush kingdom 3? I don't remember it...

 

[Chez G.]

When I saw that Super Mario Sunshine stage, I almost gasped in awe. One of my favorite Mario games. And a Bowser stage!? For the past couple of months, PM has been slowly pushed back into the outskirts of my mind, with VGBootcamp dropping it (although I can find other YouTube channels with PM footage) and my GC controller acting up on me.

The fact that I found a Project M trailer in my subscription box threw me off. Now we're getting alternate stages? The younger me from 2004 would have flipped! Now all I want is for Great Bay to come back.....and a possible Young Link alt for Toon Link?

Hint, hint?

 

[flintconfirmed]

B)
Great bay hottest stage 2004

 

[Chez G.]

B)
Great bay hottest stage 2004

I've just looked at your location and that message now makes a whole lot of sense all of a sudden.

 

[flintconfirmed]

If we scream loud enough someone will revisit great bay drop the moon. It's always the first stage i put on my build.

 

[splat]

Few things get me excited as much as the prospect of tons of stages - I mean, we all have our mains so it's nice to be able to change the settings we play on. With the return of Jungle Japes, Project M has almost all of my favorite stages so I'm absolutely stoked.
As for me, I'm hoping we get alternative stages that are thematically similar to their non-alt versions - similar to how Smash 4 handled stages and their Omega versions, but not limited to FD versions. I also hope that - as it was confirmed not all stages will get alts - there's a way we'll be able to add our own alt stages so that they'll function like the official alt stages.

 

[MegaMissingno]

What was mush kingdom 3? I don't remember it...

Could either be referring to the one from Super Smash Flash 2, calling Melee's MK2 that since it's technically the third stage after 64's and Melee's different stages both named Mushroom Kingdom (though if you want to get even more technical, it's not even Mushroom Kingdom anyway, it's Subcon, dunno why they named it MK2), or just saying there should be a new one.