3DS Community Patch Notes v1.0.4 -- Engine Changes to DI

[InfinityCollision]

My roommate is curious if there are any changes to (not Zero Suit) Samus. It appears so far there aren't any?

Jab1 was changed (Thinkaman please confirm?), I have no idea beyond that.

 

[Terotrous]

I can't see a difference. Connects the same from various distances for me.

If there is a difference it would be the hitbox being adjusted to hit lower, but it's probably nothing. I'm just being forced to use it more thanks to Dash attack being weaker.

 

[LordFluffy]

To add onto DDD's gordo
Charizard's Flame breath could not reflect it in 1.0.3. he can now reflect it with flame breath in 1.0.4

 

[Thinkaman]

Jab1 was changed (Thinkaman please confirm?), I have no idea beyond that.

Confirming no change.

To add onto DDD's gordo
Charizard's Flame breath could not reflect it in 1.0.3. he can now reflect it with flame breath in 1.0.4

Confirming, but only the inner-most hitboxes.

 

[Smalt]

Jab1 was changed (Thinkaman please confirm?), I have no idea beyond that.

Jab1's damage and knockback are the same. It does have a sweet spot which might be why people think it changed. 41 vs 51 launcher power on 150% Mario depending on how you hit with it.

 

[Thinkaman]

Jab1's damage and knockback are the same. It does have a sweet spot which might be why people think it changed. 41 vs 51 launcher power on 150% Mario depending on how you hit with it.

Thanks for the info, this is helpful.

 

[YeahVeryeah]

To add onto DDD's gordo
Charizard's Flame breath could not reflect it in 1.0.3. he can now reflect it with flame breath in 1.0.4

Huh. That wasnt zards funnest matchup, so having that helps our ping pong game I guess. I since wonder if that translates into some subtle differences in flamethrowers properties

 

[lijero13ss]

DACUS is back?!?!?!

I'll post a video in a bit

EDIT: Ok so turns out it was just a Jump Cancel Up Smash. But it went the same effect/distance traveled as DACUS did when i tried it with Toon Link

 

[Thinkaman]

DACUS is back?!?!?!

And on that note,

 

[Sodrek]

Does Link's Usmash does less knockback?

 

[Conda]

And on that note,

That gif isn't animating for me, but I know the I.T. Crowd and what scene is supposed to be animated. Good choice.

 

[lijero13ss]

Sorry guys false alarm on the DACUS.

I simply did a JCUS (jump cancel up smash).

However, Toon Link still had the same sliding distance as he did in 1.0.3 with his DACUS. Not sure what to make of this yet

 

[Tristan_win]

Can someone with a pre patch 3ds look into something for me.

Before the patch I wrote down that Sheik vanish with her at 0% will give Mario at 0% 38KB when hit and with Sheik at 200% Mario at 0% would get 44KB when hit.

Well that's different from now which is 53KB at 0% and at 200% 60KB. Now The reason why I haven't started beating my drum and screaming to the heavens for this BUFF is because when I first tested killing % in training mode on Mario the 'kill effect' still happen at the exact same percentage as before.

So... Did I just make a input error with my previous data or is vanish actually stronger? If it is stronger then could training mode be bugged?

Edit: Answered, error on my part.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Confirming no change.



Confirming, but only the inner-most hitboxes.

inner ones do 2%, outer do 1%

 

[Ryu_Ken]

Jiggs still bottom tier confirmed! Link still wrecks Jiggs!

 

[Ryusuta]

I'm not absolutely certain, but it seems as though Fox's jab lock still works for me. Confirmation on this?

 

[YeahVeryeah]

inner ones do 2%, outer do 1%

Yeah I checked the first post.

 

[ZeroBlindDragon]

@ Thinkaman : Thank you so much for your help!

I do have another thing I would like to confirm with you. @Yaaay and I believe Peach's down aerial deals less knockback. Is this true?

 

[gridatttack]

Apparently, you cant start anymore the Jab Infinite with little mac unless you hit someone. Was it always like this?

Also, was the King DeDeDe gordo glitch fixed?

 

[sharpman5000]

Wait, DACUS is really gone?

Nintendo why

 

[InfinityCollision]

Sorry guys false alarm on the DACUS.

I simply did a JCUS (jump cancel up smash).

However, Toon Link still had the same sliding distance as he did in 1.0.3 with his DACUS. Not sure what to make of this yet

It means that Tink, like most characters, did not have a significant DACUS. We already knew this.

 

[LordFluffy]

I no longer have access to a 3DS with patch 1.0.3 so its safe to say my day of assisting with finding out these patch changes are done, glad i could help though, keep checking and comparing folks.
also just to say again since it hasn't been added to the OP yet, Link's Dair No longer bounces off characters when Fast falled after activation. Confirmed as well by @ Thinkaman
righty, off to bed.

 

[MegaMissingno]

For Pac-Man, I'm pretty sure it's not bair that changed but the hydrant itself. I've noticed I can only get side-B into hydrant to work if the Power Pellet is precisely in the center of the hydrant, while it was less strict before. Can someone figure out exactly how much HP the hydrant now has?

 

[lijero13ss]

TLink change:

Uair
Max Launcher Speed 1.0.3 - 143
Max Launcher Speed 1.0.4 - 120

Someone wanna confirm the lower knockback from TLink's Uair?

This was done Uairing Mario while he was on the ground

 

[Katakiri]

Gonna post this here too.

So I wasn't crazy. I did some testing with one 3DS on 1.0.4 and the other on 1.0.3. I found that both Meta Knight's Down-Air and Up-Air have changed but it's not as exciting as I thought it would be.

D-Air & Up-Air's Sword-trails are now shorter to match their actual reach. F-Air, F-Tilt, & D-Smash still have their slightly deceptive sword trails. Even then, F-Air almost isn't even worth mentioning because the sword-trail is only very slightly inaccurate and F-Tilt isn't even a spacing tool so, if D-Smash gets fixed, MK will literally look good.

So no new hitboxes, just honest sword-trails. It really does make a big difference though. A lot less whiffed D-Airs or ruined Up-Air chains.

 

[ILOVESMASH]

Just wondering, has falco's double jump been improved? It feels as if it goes a bit higher than before (haven't tested to confirm).

 

[Dogivet]

Gonna post this here too.

So I wasn't crazy. I did some testing with one 3DS on 1.0.4 and the other on 1.0.3. I found that both Meta Knight's Down-Air and Up-Air have changed but it's not as exciting as I thought it would be.

D-Air & Up-Air's Sword-trails are now shorter to match their actual reach. F-Air, F-Tilt, & D-Smash still have their slightly deceptive sword trails. Even then, F-Air almost isn't even worth mentioning because the sword-trail is only very slightly inaccurate and F-Tilt isn't even a spacing tool so, if D-Smash gets fixed, MK will literally look good.

So no new hitboxes, just honest sword-trails. It really does make a big difference though. A lot less whiffed D-Airs or ruined Up-Air chains.

I KNEW IT, I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING OFF WITH THE SWINGING WHEN I TURNED ON 1/4 SPEED IN TRAINING.

The slicing effects (all but the side smash I think) were larger than the sword.

 

[Katakiri]

I KNEW IT, I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING OFF WITH THE SWINGING WHEN I TURNED ON 1/4 SPEED IN TRAINING.

The slicing effects (all but the side smash I think) were larger than the sword.

Yes that's because MK's sword-trails were *gasp* yet another lazy port from Brawl in Smash 4. Meta Knight's hitbox is always the sword itself in Smash 4 except for Dimensional Cape Slash, that move has the disjointed range of Snake's Up-Tilt and then some for whatever reason.

 

[Dogivet]

Yes that's because MK's sword-trails were *gasp* yet another lazy port from Brawl in Smash 4. Meta Knight's hitbox is always the sword itself in Smash 4 except for Dimensional Cape Slash, that move has the disjointed range of Snake's Up-Tilt and then some for whatever reason.

Heh, didn't even consider the swipes being from Brawl, but it makes sense now that you say that, I mean after all;
"How do we nerf the range of the n-air? By making him roll diagonally instead of straight, because reasons and logic."

 

[BeatNinja]

This was already stated in the OP.

I know, I was just expressing my joy.

 

[XalchemistX]

No patch notes for Samus yet?

 

[Tobi_Whatever]

No patch notes for Samus yet?

I think I read that the rocked speed is increased.

 

[Big O]

@ SamuraiPanda

Okay I swapped out SD cards and tested out my observation regarding air dodges. With DK, Bowser, Charizard, and Marth you get normal landing lag after an air dodge earlier in 1.04 than in 1.03. I suspect it behaves like this for everyone. Unfortunately, there is still a brief window where you can't AC after IASA, but it is notably smaller.

I can also confirm that the behavior of Roll Cancel Pivot Grabs are notably different for at least some characters. While this is hard to quantify, when switching between the two versions I was consistently able to RCPG with DK and Marth with minimal/no slide in the older patch. In the newer patch I am unable to do so. For DK the motion used was dash > shield > backward~grab. For Marth the motion used was dash > backward roll~grab.

I should note that you can pivot grab with a small slide without having to RCPG for both DK and Marth, but it is harder than the old RCPG and slides back more.

 

[Tristan_win]

Can someone please check out Sheik vanish on mario at 0% with a unpatch 3ds!

All you have to do is pick sheik, pick mario, go to vs, hit mario with just a vanish, and then end the match. Then while still in the results screens find 'max launch' stat (it could be launcher I forget which) and report what numbers it says.

Please @ Big O @ Katakiri

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Can someone please check out Sheik vanish on mario at 0% with a unpatch 3ds!

All you have to do is pick sheik, pick mario, go to vs, hit mario with just a vanish, and then end the match. Then while still in the results screens find 'max launch' stat (it could be launcher I forget which) and report what numbers it says.

Please @ Big O @ Katakiri

53

 

[BioZelink]

Pacman - his back air does less damage, side b also does less damage and both can't knock the fire hydrant. Grab has less lag.
Metaknight has less lag on his fair and bair.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Ike's fair does indeed autocancel and has reduced recovery lag.

 

[Heartstring]

We've just tested this, and it appears Cypher grabbing Sonic or Megaman no longer works. They get their Up-B back after they get grab released

 

[Yikarur]

I stood up very long to help with this thread. Thanks for ignoring everything is posted !
Wont do this again.

 

[AvoiD]

Mac's dash seems a lot slower. Anyone else agree?