All Haters...**** OFF!!!

[PXG]

Before I say anything, I want to say that I am a competitive Smasher considered my self highly skilled at Melee.

Anyway....ahem....BRAWL IS ****ING AWESOME!!! If you think this game won't be competitive, or, its going to devolve into a party game, or its a game for noobs, or its gay, or it sucks, or its disappointing, or some other lame *** comment...seriously, get the **** out. This game is amazing. Sure, its floaty (and at times I've noticeds I am facing the wrong direction ), but after a few games, my actions felt more natural and intuitive.

I don't want to sound pompous, or ungrateful, but I honestly feel that I could beat those people who have been posting the videos on youtube prior to launch. You folks have been playing Brawl as if it were Melee. I admit, the first two matches, I tried wavedashing, which resulted in my character dogding updwards. But I had told myself to let go of all thoughts "Melee" as possible. The people playing in the youtube videos were playing it like Melee; more defensive and making fewer attempts to intercept recovering opponents in the air. Because of the higher gravity, its less of a risk to perform spikes and meterors.

Also, for those who claim that you can't combo or that the movesets are horribly design, you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. I have done some sick combos with Link and Falco, and my friends have done the same with Marth and Ike. Seriously,

There is so much I can say right now, but its a waste. Flame me all you want. I could give rats ***. Go ahead and miss out on this truly spectacular game. I am certain that Brawl will many MANY years of competitive play and tournaments ahead. I've been playing since about 12:30 AM and haven't stopped yet. I plan on playing the whole day. If you want to add me, feel free to do so.

Anyway, I rambled on too much. I must get back to mah Brawl!!!!

EDIT -

I won't be making in the next few days...or weeks...or months.......for obvious reasons...Sorry.

EDIT 2 -

To casuals. NOOOOOO!! Final Smashes are WAY too cheap and over powered. No way in HELL are they going to be in tournaments. So please, stop asking. I know every single competitive Smasher will agree now that we all have Brawl. However, Marth's FS is easier to dodge than I thought ....but still VERY cheap.
Note - Sorry, but I won't be making sigs for obvious reasons.

 

[Lucas_User]

Mhm, agreed.

People should be thankful!

 

[Tek32]

Amen brother! (lol)

 

[Gill]

**** straight.

 

[Reynbo]

I hope what you say is tru

 

[PXG]

Serioulsy, I am running on:

1) Adrenaline
2) Monster Energy
3) more adenaline

I am going to playing this **** all ****ing day. This was worth the wait. Every single bit of it. Thank you Nintendo! Thank you Hal! And thank you Sakurai for this amazing game. It takes getting used to (physics, timing and smooth frame rate). But after a few matches, its sooooo natural. My friend Nicknyte and I can do some SICK ****.

Let me tell you. Marth is a *****. Marth is STILL good. Falco is different, but really good in the right hands. He can be VERY unpredictable. Link isn't as bad as I thought he would be. The same goes with Ike. Olimar is said to be good, but he must be hard to gimp. He is tough to use. Metaknight can combo you to death, but couldn't kill a fly. Pit is just unfair and playing against him has too many "WTF" moments.

There is just SO much depth to this game. Sure, wavedashing, L-canceling and the ilk are out (maybe.....) but mindgames (yes, dashdancing IS in....don't believe those who said it wasn't) and other techniques are still alive and present.

 

[INs4niTY-]

Well put, the title it self is enough

 

[mastergamerbrett]

Well, from a mostly unbiased perspective, the reason people think it sucks it because it's not Melee. And of course, there are some elements that make it less competitive (Everyone being floaty, tripping, ect).

 

[180OP]

Well, it is legitimate for people to say it is disappointing because contentment and disappointment are subjective.

Like PC Chris said, Melee is the best smash game but will transition to Brawl.

7 years of Melee is too much....need the new shiz.

It wont be as deep as Melee but it wont be terrible either. It will be a good game. Good enough successor.

 

[Ein_]

The most awesome thread in a long time. Finnaly someone who thinks. People need to realize that Brawl is as awesome as Melee is. This thread is made of pure win, and I'd love to face you online PXG. Happy Brawl!

 

[abectevolution]

There is no "wont be as deep as melee" and "melee is the best smash game".

Brawl is superior. If you don't see it yet, don't worry... you will.

 

[Yuna]

Who are you to dictate what people can and cannot think and can and cannot say?

Sure, there are idiots who simply say "This game doesn't have L-canceling, ergo it sucks!", those people are twits. But there are those of us who've actually delved deeper into its depths and still haven't found too much to be happy about.

Would you rather people lie? "I love this game! It's perfect!" when it isn't? Would you rather have a forum where no one can ever say anything negative about the game even when there's plenty of negative things to say about it (there's plenty of negative things to say about any game that isn't perfect and believe you me, Brawl is not perfect)?

Would you rather have a forum where you can't say anything but "I love this game"? Why do you want a forum where everyone's fully positive, throwing expletives around? I mean, what possible meaningful discussion could come out of it? "I love this game!" - "So do I!". O... K...

Idiots who dismiss the game without actually playing it for more than 5 hours first, sure, those are stupid people. But to say "GTFO if you can't be fully positive!", that's just stupid.

 

[CrazyShaman]

His entire post was addressed at said people who played it for less than 5 hours.

 

[Yuna]

His entire post was addressed at said people who played it for less than 5 hours.

Untrue.

Never once in the post does he address the number of hours one has invested into the game nor does he mention "This is only addressed to those who haven't given the game a real chance".

He's yelling at pretty much everyone who doesn't like the game or at least who doesn't like the game more than Melee (or possibly anyone who just don't love the game). He calls us all "haters" and tells us to GTFO. Not a single mention of "Only those who haven't really played the game that much, though".

 

[PXG]

Who are you to dictate what people can and cannot think and can and cannot say?

Sure, there are idiots who simply say "This game doesn't have L-canceling, ergo it sucks!", those people are twits. But there are those of us who've actually delved deeper into its depths and still haven't found too much to be happy about.

Would you rather people lie? "I love this game! It's perfect!" when it isn't? Would you rather have a forum where no one can ever say anything negative about the game even when there's plenty of negative things to say about it (there's plenty of negative things to say about any game that isn't perfect and believe you me, Brawl is not perfect)?

Would you rather have a forum where you can't say anything but "I love this game"? Why do you want a forum where everyone's fully positive, throwing expletives around? I mean, what possible meaningful discussion could come out of it? "I love this game!" - "So do I!". O... K...

Idiots who dismiss the game without actually playing it for more than 5 hours first, sure, those are stupid people. But to say "GTFO if you can't be fully positive!", that's just stupid.

His entire post was addressed at said people who played it for less than 5 hours.

Yuna, I just think its unwise for people to totally dismiss it. Believe me, It wouldn't be okay if every single person thought the game was perfect and wanted to stand in line to kiss Sakurai's ***. What kinds of discussions would we have or forum enviorment we would be in, if every single person had the same thoughts and feelings? Pretty lame. If people don't like Brawl, thats fine, but like you and Crazy said, this thread is addressed to those who have made unfair and hasty judegments. That's all.

Also Yuna, I really enjoy reading your posts. I just don't want to come across an elitist who is telling people how to feel. All I (and all of us) want is for people to slow down and look at the bigger picture.

 

[Sliq]

"Take that you *******! You and your 'own opinions,' I scoff at the ridiculousness of this notion. If you don't share my opinion the **** YOU!"

No sir, **** you.

 

[Yuna]

Yuna, I just think its unwise for people to totally dismiss it. Believe me, It wouldn't be okay if every single person thought the game was perfect and wanted to stand in line to kiss Sakurai's ***. What kinds of discussions would we have or forum enviorment we would be in, if every single person had the same thoughts and feelings? Pretty lame. If people don't like Brawl, thats fine, but like you and Crazy said, this thread is addressed to those who have made unfair and hasty judegments. That's all.

Also Yuna, I really enjoy reading your posts. I just don't want to come across an elitist who is telling people how to feel. All I (and all of us) want is for people to slow down and look at the bigger picture.

But your post gives the impression of you being an elitist and telling people how to feel. Yes, certain idiots will dismiss the game simply because of "No wavedashing, too floaty". But your post names a lot of other things and never once does it mention that it's only addressed to the people who dismiss it outright without giving it a chance first.

In fact, your post is addressed to "all the haters", which can encompass anyone who isn't fully positive towards the game. Your post sounds a lot like an elitist saying "I love the game and the only right path is to love it. If you don't, then GTFO!" I suggest a rewrite.

 

[OrlanduEX]

*facepalm*

So it is wrong to dislike the game? It's wrong to present facts about the game design that suggest that it will prove less competitive than Melee?

First of all, intercepting recoveries was in Melee too. It hasn't changed, but recovery has become much better for everyone. Thus intercepting recoveries is less effective than before.

Second of all, I doubt you know the definition of "combo". In fighting games, "combo" = a string of attacks that is inescapable once the first hit lands.
Since there is way less hit stun in this game and thus little or no guaranteed hits, comboing just isn't possible for most characters.

Just try to look at the game without fanboy goggles. Acknowledge the possibility that it may not be as good as it seems at first.
The glitz and glamor of the game will wear off in a few weeks then it will be time to analyze it for what its really worth.

 

[AerionTOFAST4U]

Yuna, I just think its unwise for people to totally dismiss it. Believe me, It wouldn't be okay if every single person thought the game was perfect and wanted to stand in line to kiss Sakurai's ***. What kinds of discussions would we have or forum enviorment we would be in, if every single person had the same thoughts and feelings? Pretty lame. If people don't like Brawl, thats fine, but like you and Crazy said, this thread is addressed to those who have made unfair and hasty judegments. That's all.

Also Yuna, I really enjoy reading your posts. I just don't want to come across an elitist who is telling people how to feel. All I (and all of us) want is for people to slow down and look at the bigger picture.

Win

10gaylords

 

[Yuna]

Win

10gaylords

There are two possibilities here:
* The OP wrote a passionate post and failed to use the correct terms and address the correct people and thus ended up with a post flaming anyone who speaks negatively of Brawl in any way, ever.
* The OP wanted to flame anyone who's spoken negatively of Brawl in any way, ever, but seeing my extremely valid redbuttal retconned himself. He's thus lying to save face.

Either way, it's not win. He either quasi-fails (option #1) or he fails completely (option #2).

 

[Tino's White Horse]

OP is obviously a troll.

5/10. You should have made it more waterproof, OP.

 

[alchfilosofer]

Hell brawl is no melee 2.0. melee IS based in wave dash, combos, l-cancel and edge guards. Brawl in the other hand is based in DI, mind games, reflex (power shield) and recovery. The 2 of them have a very competitive game play, but they are not equal, Melee=Skills and Brawl=Mind-games.

So anyone stupid enough to say brawl is not competitive or it sucks compared to melee is wrong, because melee and brawl are based on different things, and if you like melee meta game more is because you rater skills, and if you like more brawl is because you like more mind-games.

And i suppose this treat is directed to the id**ts who haven't realized already and flame about it

 

[Yuna]

Hell brawl is no melee 2.0. melee IS based in wave dash, combos, l-cancel and edge guards. Brawl in the other hand is based in DI, mind games, reflex (power shield) and recovery. The 2 of them have a very competitive game play, but they are not equal, Melee=Skills and Brawl=Mind-games.

1) Mindgames - Big word, encompasses a lot, look it up.
2) Wavedashing and L-canceling are tools for mindgaming. So is edgeguarding.
3) Melee had DI too. It was just harder to do.
4) Melee was all about reflexes. It's just that it was faster, so everything was harder.
5) Melee was all about mindgames as well.

The two are pretty much still the same, only in one game, certain things are easier while others are harder to do and vice versa.

 

[Doomgaze]

Hell brawl is no melee 2.0. melee IS based in wave dash, combos, l-cancel and edge guards. Brawl in the other hand is based in DI, mind games, reflex (power shield) and recovery. The 2 of them have a very competitive game play, but they are not equal, Melee=Skills and Brawl=Mind-games.

So anyone stupid enough to say brawl is not competitive or it sucks compared to melee is wrong, because melee and brawl are based on different things, and if you like melee meta game more is because you rater skills, and if you like more brawl is because you like more mind-games.

And i suppose this treat is directed to the id**ts who haven't realized already and flame about it

How can a game be more about "mindgames" than it's predecessor if it has less available options in the approach, defense, edgeguard and recovery departments??

Just because Brawl isn't as technical a game as melee, it does not mean it's more mindgames. It is less mindgamey because of this!

 

[Tino's White Horse]

Mindgames = Dancing and screwing around instead of actually fighting.

What's the dilemma here?

 

[Ca$hoholic]

i agree, all the guys coming here and complaining about minor problems should just AGH, get somewhere not here...

 

[TheKneeOfJustice]

Mindgames = Dancing and screwing around instead of actually fighting.

What's the dilemma here?

It's fairly obvious to me you can't appreciate movement. Also, Dash Dancing, etc, is used for mindgaming spacing, which is one of the single most important factors in this franchise. Call it useless, but go fight a Captain Falcon who is extremely proficient in movement. You'll feel suffocated.

 

[Tino's White Horse]

It's fairly obvious to me you can't appreciate movement. Also, Dash Dancing, etc, is used for mindgaming spacing, which is one of the single most important factors in this franchise. Call it useless, but go fight a Captain Falcon who is extremely proficient in movement. You'll feel suffocated.

Why are you being so hostile?

I never claimed it to be useless or that I hated it or anything. I was just describing it.

Geez...