Reaver197
Smash Lord
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It's stupid, ignorant posts like these that makes me hate the world a little bit more. Or at least, the general, unknown mass of ignoble peoples that has thronged to SWF because of Brawl.
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All right, give me a good reason why everyone says Falcon sucks.
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We've found some true combos, but they are so ridiculously hard to set up and situational that they are hardly worth anything. Combos really don't matter anymore since good ones don't exist with Falcon.
I'm sure you'd argue that Falcon has a bad rep right now because we just aren't discovering him quickly enough right? Yeah, ok... It takes a lot of discovering power to realize that Metaknight is freakin stupid with his Tornado against more than half the cast. There's nothing like that for Falcon.
Sh1n0b1
Smash Journeyman
Who else wants a discovery that will make falcon broken?
Y34HDUD3!!!
Smash Lord
I do. And if this technique doesnt work with everyone, at least make it work with Metaknight and Snake. I want both their *sses mutilated and burned.
Genoisdabest
Smash Cadet
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Well, he can still do decent you know its just the fact that he has really fast fall, not only that he is kinda hard to control just because of the fast speed of the character.
But if you really try with him you can do somewhat decent, I mean i really didn't have a problem with him, when I tried to pull off some combos its all about timing, also has been, always will be.
But if you really try with him you can do somewhat decent, I mean i really didn't have a problem with him, when I tried to pull off some combos its all about timing, also has been, always will be.
I never said anything about anyone being broken, i said that falcon has advantages and disadvantages, regretably more disadvantages but wtf are you gonna do? If all you're gonna do is b itch about how falcon sucks and he'll never be good go play a character that doesn't take skill and get off the **** forum, i for one would rather play that character that is looked down on, rock the persons face who is doing the looking and spit in his eye while he is crying and wallowing on the floor in his own feces.
edit: the wallower will probably be someone with the same ideas as yours.....dumb ***
Blad01
Smash Lord
Ok... I saw today what everybody meant by "lack of priority" :/
However, has has a few moves with good priority : Aerials (except Nair maybe) and Up B principaly....
Capt. Falcon is my 3d main. I think that he has some good points :
- Good grabs (Down-Throw, UThrow, FThrow)
- Great aerials
- His slutter-step FSmash, and his DSmash have good knockback and are useful.
- His Dash Attack his great for following.
For those who say that he has a lack of killing moves, and that's a bad point... I don't agree. Capt. Falcon is not meant to use a Smash to kill (He has a good DSmash though). He has to send the opponent on the sides of the screen (I mean off the ledge), and then... Just enjoy ! Uair followed by Dair/ Fair, SH Fair/Dair, or even RAR Bair > Double-jump > Bair. Your opponent will easily goes to his death.
Don't worry about the recovery it's wonderful.
However, has has a few moves with good priority : Aerials (except Nair maybe) and Up B principaly....
Capt. Falcon is my 3d main. I think that he has some good points :
- Good grabs (Down-Throw, UThrow, FThrow)
- Great aerials
- His slutter-step FSmash, and his DSmash have good knockback and are useful.
- His Dash Attack his great for following.
For those who say that he has a lack of killing moves, and that's a bad point... I don't agree. Capt. Falcon is not meant to use a Smash to kill (He has a good DSmash though). He has to send the opponent on the sides of the screen (I mean off the ledge), and then... Just enjoy ! Uair followed by Dair/ Fair, SH Fair/Dair, or even RAR Bair > Double-jump > Bair. Your opponent will easily goes to his death.
Don't worry about the recovery it's wonderful.
Agreed, finally someone to comes to say WHY they play falcon, now why other people don't, When peeps are off the ledge i usually start it by dash attack jump uair land jump uair up b and then up b back onto the stage run back off and uair or up b till they die, hes a great edgehog and has a great aerial game imo
Sh1n0b1
Smash Journeyman
Whoa Chill dude!
No need to get so emotional. I was just wondering if any body would want the same thing as i do. Look if you don't have something nice to say then dont say it. I main falcon because i have liked the character ever since the first smash. I am not changing my main because the other guy is top tier. Thats what i would call a top tier *****. I agree that i do ***** about Falcon sucking but i still main him. Dont act like a douche because of what i had said.
None of Falcon's aerials outprioritize any of Metaknight's. The same can be said for every sword user and anyone with good reach (Game and Watch comes to mind). UpB has good priority yes, but it's not useful enough to be worth a whole lot. And trust me, I use UpB a LOT. I actually use it almost as much as Uair when people are falling down from above me from a long distance. But in the end, all it takes is an air dodge and you're in a bad position.
When his aerials connect they are pretty good. Great is an overstatement in my opinion though. When you only have two aerials out of five that are dependable enough to be useful at all, that doesn't count as great in my book. The Knee is ok at best. Dair is not very good at best. Nair is not very good at best. Bair is pretty good but doesn't have enough reach and doesn't last long enough. If it lasted as long as the Knee does now, it would be awesome. Uair is of course Falcon's aerial game foundation. Uair is by far the best one and yet it's hard to get reliable kills with it. Air dodging ruins this move's potential for domination.
Good grabs? No. Good THROWS. His grabs are horrid. It's like his arms never fully extend in life... at all... Seriously I love his throws (Dthrow especially), but grabbing is so terrible that characters with decent reach can eliminate your entire throw game. Olimar comes to mind here. You can't even get within 3 grab lengths of the guy because all of his moves are so ranged. You will get grabbed 20 times by Olimar before you grab him back.
Fsmash is decent. Not good though. Too slow, too short. Dsmash is good. Best smash by far. Can be used out of dash though so yeah so much for it being a great move. If it either had more reach or could be done out of a dash this move would rock, but as it is you are a sitting duck when you do it AND it doesn't reach as far as anything Ike/Olimar/Marth/Wolf/etc. has. I like Dsmash and I use it a lot but that's only because there's nothing else to really do. lol
Dash attack is great. You are spot on with that one.
Edgeguarding Falcon's problem characters is too hard though, so without any reliable kill moves and an inability to edgeguard means that your opponent can get up into the 200%s before dying. That spells trouble for Falcon. If you're wonder what characters I'm talking about look at Pit/Meta/Pika/Kirby/Marth/Fox/Falco/etc. If you can reliably edgeguard these guys then your opponent is not playing correctly.
If you really want to talk about strengths, talk about AAA combo (the reach on it is probably his best, seriously) and talk about Utilt (spamming this move messes with people because of how he creeps forward). Also Falcon Kick is very useful.
I wish you were right about Falcon but I just don't see it. Please prove me wrong. Please.
Sh1n0b1
Smash Journeyman
Well for one thing you quoted me, meaning the post you made is directing towards what i had said. Then you say get the **** off the forum and since you quoted me it would seem that you are telling me, and only me, that. Then you say the whiner that you would beat with your Falcon would have the same view point as me then proceeded to call me a *******. When you do all of that it would lead many people to believe that you are only speaking to the person you quoted on that matter. If you said at the beginning, "To all the people who want a discovery to make falcon broken" or something to that effect, then i would have believed you weren't specifically aiming at me on what you had said. Now i say truce.
So anyways tell me why you main falcon.
._.; was that knee like.. trying to send you across the stage or somethin? It can kill at around 90-100%, unstale. Stale moves probably killed it, or you were being sent toward the other side of the stage from an edge. Speaking of kill %'s, how's that kill chart coming along? XD
Just wondering, when do people usually airdodge? Do they dodge your initial hit, or do they tend to dodge the followup hits?
I'm thinking that coming up with moves that include your opponent's airdodge as a part of the string could be useful, but atm, I don't know what players' tendencies are.
Comments on that?
He Kneed me when from one end of FD to the other side of the stage. I DIed it very well I guess because honestly it SHOULD'VE killed me. Attack decayed or not, Melee Knee would've done the job at 130%. It made me sad when I survived it. I'll check the tape tomorrow and get really specific and then hopefully the video will be up tomorrow and you can see it yourself anyways.
UpB gets airdodged fairly regularly, which is what your quote of me was referring to. As for your question, it's hard to answer. Sometimes I can get Dthrow -> Uair -> Uair/Bair depending on what I think they'll do without much problem. Other times, they get the air dodge in before I can Uair the first time even. I'll have to go back and study some of my recorded matches more to see what works well and when. I know that I've gotten many KOs from just doing Fthrow off the edge -> Full hop Dair because some people try to jump as soon as they get out of hitstun and they usually go right into where my Dair hits. But yeah I'll try and get a better list started tomorrow. And I can work on the death chart some more I guess. lol
The reason I keep saying tomorrow is because TODAY WAS MY LAST DAY OF SCHOOL!!!!
Summer is here for me!!~^.NoiR.^~
Smash Ace
Go practice with him 30 hours a week and in the end you will know why he is terrible.
Iwan
Smash Ace
TrikELotus
Smash Apprentice
How the hell do you remember your login name?
Proverbs
Smash Lord
^Yeah, seriously man. Do you just stay logged in the whole time? <.<;; Or is it a whole bunch of abbreviations or something?
Thanks for that great info. This totally breaks open Falcon's metagame.
Sephiroth27
Smash Ace
Hahaha, I love this section of Brawl.
Proverbs
Smash Lord
I do for the most part. But say my friend wanted to post something and I have a name like...apmpwhateverhisnameis how am I going to ever get my account back? See what I mean? And how do you address someone like that.
"Well, fghwgads had a great point there when he said..." Seriously, man. That's gotta be confusing.
Never underestimate the power of taunts! Never! I now force you to read the brilliance of Sir 0rion. Here.
Solution: Force your friend to copy your name down onto a piece of paper if he wants to post using your computer. Then he must retype the name in the username box after he has logged out. You then type in your password (which hopefully is NOT your username followed by a number or something stupid like that) and voila! You're back in. HINT: For added fun, type in the wrong password a few times and blame it on your friend typing in your name wrong. He then has to redo it over and over! HAHAHAHAA!!! That'll teach him to use your computer!!
Taunts are good yes, and that was a great read. The problem lies in the fact that when Falcon says "Show Me Your Moves", all of the moves his opponent shows are by and large a lot better than his own moves are. lol Therefore taunting does not work as a reliable strategy (for Falcon at least).
Proverbs
Smash Lord
Eh, then just wait for your opponent to need to go to the bathroom and pop in Melee. ;D
Or SSB64 for that matter. High Tier for the win! He wasn't even that in Melee!
Run > Side-Taunt
I pulled a Dan Hibiki once with Falcon and made someone block for the duration of the taunt. It was too good.
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vvv SH-SH-SH-SH-SH-SH-OW ME YOUR MOVES!
My beef in Brawl is that you can't Taunt-Cancel your dash anymore. In Melee you could. If only there was a taunt-cancel as well it could be used as a sick tech. Instant stoppage of motion in 1 frame. lol Fun stuff. In Brawl you actually have to stop/significantly slow down for it to work, and that's lame.
lul mindgamez
The Real Inferno
Smash Hero
I know a high level player that likes to do that to trick people into thinking he's going to Falcon Punch too.
Though for CF techniques I prefer the 360 turn punch, which I completely suck at doing.
Though for CF techniques I prefer the 360 turn punch, which I completely suck at doing.
GhettoSheep
Smash Journeyman
He has zero priority and its basically impossible to land a kill move.
Oh, his edgeguarding also sucks with the new airdodge system.
Oh, his edgeguarding also sucks with the new airdodge system.