Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
The infinite needs to be banned. ALL infinites need to be banned. I can get around it but literally it takes GREAT skill to not get caught in it.
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Banning Dedede's infinite? FIRST POST UPDATED WITH VIDEO.
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JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
thats cause your simply awsome Xyros lol
yellowroy
Smash Ace
king dedede's infinite really needs to be banned its cheap and even though im a ddd main i wont use it.
SketchHurricane
Smash Ace
Did you guys know the new hitstun code fixed DDD and Falco's chaingrabs?
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
really? vids or it didn't happen. lol
but seriously i'd like to see this.
but seriously i'd like to see this.
Magus420
Smash Master
Knockdowns and with it the point where you can begin DIing knockbacks is based on the amount of stun. Adding more stun makes more characters go into a tumble/fall down from DDD's d-throw, and they also go into a tumble from Falco's and can always/sooner DI the throw to avoid a regrab (when it has less stun and doesn't put you into a tumble the game doesn't let you DI the throw which is what allows it to work normally).
Fixed as in removed or fixed as in infinites?
cutter
Smash Champion
Fixed as in the chaingrabs are completely eliminated.
DerpDaBerp
Smash Champion
That doesn't really matter unless most tourneys start implementing those codes. The game left as it is, infinite grabbing is a hinderance on the progress of a match. I mean for ****'s sake, it's referred to as an "infinite". Maybe it's just me but any potentially "infinite" technique seems to wreck the experience, even if it is just for 5 characters.
SketchHurricane
Smash Ace
All the more reason for TO's to start taking notice
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
i hear alot of tourneys implement the no tripping code, so why not try implementing that too?
GofG
Smash Champion
JigglyZelda003, this is simply not true.
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
orly? well just mentioning what i heard thats all.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
well actually they tried to fix it and took it out, but a new way to CG was found lolFixing the CGs... =/
Well atleast ICs werent "fixed."
The only way to do that is to remove desync, because they're basically passing someone back and forth, and hitstun can't really change that. I mean, its the only major chaingrab that works nearly the same way between Melee and Brawl.Fixing the CGs... =/
Well atleast ICs werent "fixed."
SmashBrother2008
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I think this community should redisign Brawl to be balanced and remarket the entire game.
You know... Brawl 2.0. It sounds good already.
Teh Future
Smash Master
^I think your dumb
cutter
Smash Champion
His dumb?
The reality of it is though, Brawl+ just won't be accepted as a universal version of the game to play with in tournament play.
_Phloat_
Smash Champion
Aren't you one of the people that believes tiers don't exists/hates tournaments? I saw you in that social group.
If you don't go to tournaments just tell your friends not to do it, a ban won't make any difference in your circle of friends.
PKNintendo
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Oh Snap
Smash Ace
Ban D3's infinite!
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"Don't" get grabbed" Is the stupidest thing to say. It's like saying "don't get hit". Of course you're going to freaking get grabbed, and if you don't then the DDD player just plain sucks.
Saying "don't get grabbed" DOES NOT nullify the fact that DDD has a move that can instant kill you. Imagine, for example, Link's bomb would instant kill anyone. Telling someone it's fair because you can avoid it is freaking stupid.
Saying "don't get grabbed" DOES NOT nullify the fact that DDD has a move that can instant kill you. Imagine, for example, Link's bomb would instant kill anyone. Telling someone it's fair because you can avoid it is freaking stupid.
For the love of cookies, why this again? Why is this thread even alive after this much time?
Ouh, D3 has an "infinite" that works on two characters and two others from 50% or so. No, it's not comparable to the Infinite Cape, which wins you the entire game. It only wins you one stock.
What's next, ban all chaingrabs that nets you large amounts of %? Or ban all really good combos, like Sheik's F-tilt Locks? What next? Ban anything that lasts longer than 5 moves/30%?
Some characters take it in the shorts because they can be chaingabbed/combod to death. Yay. If you want to win tournaments or do well in them, don't play as these characters. Some characters are not meant to be able to do well in tournaments.
We can't ban anything that makes certain characters unplayable. They're just bad characters. We can only ban things that make the entire game unplayable or a character way, way too good. This just makes a characters really good against a select few and a select few really bad against that one character (and it's not like any of them would be anywhere near High without it).
If you want to win, play to win. This includes picking characters that aren't easily gimped. Don't whine about how badly your character gets owned and petition to have said tactics removed.
And lol @ using codes to "fix" the game. This is exactly what I was talking about when people were all gung-ho about hacking Tripping out of Brawl. The argument then was that it was just an undesirable function no one likes or wants and which only hinders the metagame. Now people want to "fix" the hitstun.
Good job, people. Let's remake the game entirely in our image. Why play Brawl when we can just program it to our liking?
Ouh, D3 has an "infinite" that works on two characters and two others from 50% or so. No, it's not comparable to the Infinite Cape, which wins you the entire game. It only wins you one stock.
What's next, ban all chaingrabs that nets you large amounts of %? Or ban all really good combos, like Sheik's F-tilt Locks? What next? Ban anything that lasts longer than 5 moves/30%?
Some characters take it in the shorts because they can be chaingabbed/combod to death. Yay. If you want to win tournaments or do well in them, don't play as these characters. Some characters are not meant to be able to do well in tournaments.
We can't ban anything that makes certain characters unplayable. They're just bad characters. We can only ban things that make the entire game unplayable or a character way, way too good. This just makes a characters really good against a select few and a select few really bad against that one character (and it's not like any of them would be anywhere near High without it).
If you want to win, play to win. This includes picking characters that aren't easily gimped. Don't whine about how badly your character gets owned and petition to have said tactics removed.
And lol @ using codes to "fix" the game. This is exactly what I was talking about when people were all gung-ho about hacking Tripping out of Brawl. The argument then was that it was just an undesirable function no one likes or wants and which only hinders the metagame. Now people want to "fix" the hitstun.
Good job, people. Let's remake the game entirely in our image. Why play Brawl when we can just program it to our liking?
Or we play other Competitive fighting games Competitively, know how Competitive fighting games work, the history of fighting games, etc., etc., etc.
We're not snot-faced little n00bs who've only ever played Brawl Competitively and automatically assume that we now know everything there is to know about Competitive fighting games.
If I discovered that Zelda had an unwinnable matchup or that someone could infinite her quite easily tomorrow, I'd stop playing as her Competitively. I already abandoned Peach due to he now sucking (yes, Peach fanboys, I went there).
I do not play Competitive fighting games to play as my "favorite characters". The word "Competitive" is there for a reason. I play to win. And if I cannot win with a certain character, then I stop playing as that character Competitively.
If you insist on playing as Donkey Kong or Bowser (who aren't even that good), then stop playing Brawl Competitively. Play it "for fun". Go to tournaments and play only friendlies against characters who are not D3. Play with friends.
Whatever. Don't go to tournaments and whine about how your "favorite character" is shoddily designed and has bad matchups. Switch or suck it up and lose.
The amount of whining that goes on on Smashboards. Pretty much everything should be banned to make things "more fair" and "more even". Guess what, that's not how it works. We do not artifically re-balance the game by banning things that are perfectly legit for some characters just because gimps some others.
At least the MK-argument had some legitimacy to it. This thread just makes me laugh.
SketchHurricane
Smash Ace
Sarcasm fail.
We have the power to change the game. Not doing so would be the ******** thing. Whether or not it turns out for the tourney scene is besides the point. The point is people are making a game they like to play better, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
We have the power to kill you too. But we won't because it's would be a crime.
Just because we can do it doesn't mean we should. Where will we stop? Once every single character 50:50s everyone else? Will we get rid of every single combo in the game? Re-program really good characters? Into what? Really good but not as good? Mid tiers? Everyone into Mid Tier?
There's a reason why no one hacks their Competitive fighting games. Because if you have to resort to hacking to make the game playable, then you're nothing more than a pathetic fanboy desperate to play your "favorite game" Competitively.
Some games are Competitively viable. Others aren't. Those that aren't should be abandoned in Competitive play.
If you're so desperate to turn Brawl into Melee, then play Melee. If you're so desperate to play Brawl just because it's Brawl, then you're just a fanboy who wants to play as your "favorite character" or whatever, not because you want to play a good game Competitively.
There's no reason to play Brawl Competitively if it's not Competitive. There's no reason to hack Brawl if it's already Competitive. If we have to hack it to turn it Competitive, then why play it at all? Why did we play it for months before we could hack it? If we don't have to hack it to make it Competitive, then we're just trying to create the game we want, not play what we have.
It's no longer about the game itself. We'll only be fanboys wanting to play as Nintendo mascots for teh lulz.
There's no stipulation that all fighting games have to be played Competitively.
That's what you say. And nobody cares about you.
Peach does much better than Zelda ;D. You want you want in.
"There's a reason why no one hacks their Competitive fighting games. Because if you have to resort to hacking to make the game playable, then you're nothing more than a pathetic fanboy desperate to play your "favorite game" Competitively."
That's because these other games get rebalanced by their makers.
"There's a reason why no one hacks their Competitive fighting games. Because if you have to resort to hacking to make the game playable, then you're nothing more than a pathetic fanboy desperate to play your "favorite game" Competitively."
That's because these other games get rebalanced by their makers.
Name 5 fighting games that came before the advent of online patches that were rebalanced by their makers on a deeper level than some minor changes and whose changes didn't take place in-between the release of the NTSC and PAL versions.
Other fighting game makers don't regularly re-balance their games (not before this current generation).
Why before the advent of online patches? Tekken 5, Tekken 6. SSF2T->SSF2HDR. Guilty Gear has had more revisions than I can count on a single hand.
And you have to keep in mind that these games were actually built as competitive games from the ground up. And they might not re-balance their games regularly per say, but the number of revisions doesn't strike as anything more than just that.
I'm sure Sirlin wouldn't mind, really ;].
And you have to keep in mind that these games were actually built as competitive games from the ground up. And they might not re-balance their games regularly per say, but the number of revisions doesn't strike as anything more than just that.
I'm sure Sirlin wouldn't mind, really ;].
Before Online patches allows for the makers to, you know, online patch the game instead of releasing actual revisions which requires money and more work than patches. But if you want to be picky, I'll allow those.
Tekken 5 did not get a small revision. It received a new version altogether. However, out of all that, Tekken 5: DR is pretty much the closest thing you can get to a "revision". Tekken 6? It hasn't even been released for the console yet. Are you talking about arcade revisions, also knowns as changes to beta versions?
SSF2T didn't receive an update or a revision, it received a remake... 10+ games after the original game was released!
The Guilty Gear series does not receive revisions. It receives sequels. Each new game has been completely revamped in many aspects. New mechanics, rebalancing, changes in how moves work. Each GG is comparable each new Soul Calibur when you look at how much the games have changed. Also, there's at least a year or two inbetween each new released version.
Even the music gets changed around, for crying out loud! It's not like NTSC Melee and PAL Melee, it's like Melee and Brawl, with the main difference being that each new version still uses the same graphics. However, this changed in "Accent Core", when each sprite was redrawn.
Your definition of "revisions" is wrong. It's more of new games.
Blind fanboy statement. Ouh, Brawl is so special. It works differently from other games, thus nothing applies to it at all! Why play the game we buy when we can just hack it into the game we really want? I mean, since it's Brawl, it's OK, right?
Why stop at no tripping and no chaingrabs? Let's rebalance the entire game!
Question as far as rebalancing if anyone can answer for me:
As a community we could barely even debate whether Melee was more balanced than Brawl.
And as individuals, everyone has their own idea of what balance is.
When it comes to the makers of a game updating, for the most part people accept that they know best and this is how things should be even if they don't agree with it.
[Who's to decide what's balanced and what's not?]
As a community we could barely even debate whether Melee was more balanced than Brawl.
And as individuals, everyone has their own idea of what balance is.
When it comes to the makers of a game updating, for the most part people accept that they know best and this is how things should be even if they don't agree with it.
SO
When it comes to rebalancing a game~[Who's to decide what's balanced and what's not?]
This was when the game was still new. Also, this is because the majority of users on SWF at that point were n00bs. Either at Melee, Brawl or both. Very few people had played Brawl extensively.
Also, did I mention the rampant stupidity and ignorance? Some people thought Melee had tons of "dial-a-combo" where combos lasted longer than 3-4 hits while Brawl barely had any.
When you factor in the opinions of every member of a community, you will always get a lot of stupidity and ignorance in the mix. And since SWF has received a huge influx of new members, many of which are or at least originally were (at the time of joining SWF and Brawl was released) Casual players (and, thus, understandably ignorant about the deeper elements of Smash) ever since Brawl was announced, the intelligence quota in those early threads was very, very low.
This is not the problem. The problem is where to stop. Where do we draw the line of what is acceptable to hack in and out of the game? When do we stop modifying it? When can we say "We're satisfied with what we have now"?
The masses would prefer it be them because then they'd have a say in it.
metaXzero
Smash Champion
Why is this discussion on hacks?
Note Yuna if this concerns Brawl+: It isn't about changing characters unless they gain some ******** infinite or something.
Note Yuna if this concerns Brawl+: It isn't about changing characters unless they gain some ******** infinite or something.
Because someone brought up using the new hitstun hack.
But nothing's stopping it from being about it. Yesterday tripping, today hitstun, tomorrow, tweaking individual characters. Whatever happened to "We're only going to hack out Tripping"?
Blind moron statement. Learn to read. When did I say Brawl was special? NEVER. I said it was different.
Do you know the difference between "different" and "special"?
MNaybe you should go back to 5th grade.
Tell me one reason, why we shouldn't hack! Beside the fact that we don't even need to do so?
It would be just as "right" or "wrong" as with any other fighting game
Why? CGs will stay in the game. Tripping will stay in the game. Problem solved.
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