Bowser Vs. Marth!?? Can it be done?

[IUseBowser]

Well I've tried out bowser for the first time yesterday and I was vsing my friend and he was marth he won 0-3, Is there anyway to Stop Marths madness with Bowser?? If so Please help.

 

[Tempest 01]

haha, Bowser SUCK ***!! *ahem*, just juggle and start with throws, i think... but mind games are probably ur best bet. u gots more power than the swordsman, so try to use it as much as possible. plz don't criticize, as i almost never play Bowser. (use bowser bomb and flame breath and A,A; A,A...)

 

[MagnuM]

If you almost never play Bowser, why are you posting on a Bowser board? >_<

A good Marth player can just sit there double fairing and then what are you supposed to do? Bowser really needs projectiles in the next game. All you can basically do is try to outprioritize Marth (good luck) or Flame Breath. This is one of the most broken matchups in the game.

 

[Beeble]

MagnuM, cmon man. Falsefalco said you had some insane dtilt tech vs marth, something like you hit them out of up+b and they cant hit you? Don't keep all your secrets!

 

[MagnuM]

Well it would be foolish of me to give away ALL my strategies. My bag of dirty tricks always seems to serve me well.

 

[JGdoomofsteel]

Bowser vs. Marth, don't make me laugh.

Ok, if it was Bowser vs. Marth. What's the point. I know Bowser may be slow and Marth is fast, but if your a great Bowser player. You may win, but still Marth may be fast, but his abilities are weak compared to Roy. It's like getting hit by a paper fan.

 

[Arash]

ftilt, dtilt, and utilt are your keys to victory

in particular, learn to angle ftilt upwards and you're in the money

 

[SypherPhoenix]

Ok, if it was Bowser vs. Marth. What's the point. I know Bowser may be slow and Marth is fast, but if your a great Bowser player. You may win, but still Marth may be fast, but his abilities are weak compared to Roy. It's like getting hit by a paper fan.

Marth's attacks are hardly similar to getting hit by a paper fan. Roy may be more powerful, but Marth is faster and has better comboing ability. This is why Marth is fourth from the top of the tier list and Roy is sixteenth.

 

[BDawgPHD]

Ok, if it was Bowser vs. Marth. What's the point. I know Bowser may be slow and Marth is fast, but if your a great Bowser player. You may win, but still Marth may be fast, but his abilities are weak compared to Roy. It's like getting hit by a paper fan.

no offense, but stfu

The reason Marth is so much higher on this fabled tier chart than Roy and everyone else is because all of his strength is at the tip of his sword. He's quick, and when used correctly has pretty wicked knockback and damage potential, PLUS he can combo insanely well. That's why Bowser does so bad. That, and he's Bowser

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Ok, if it was Bowser vs. Marth. What's the point. I know Bowser may be slow and Marth is fast, but if your a great Bowser player. You may win, but still Marth may be fast, but his abilities are weak compared to Roy. It's like getting hit by a paper fan.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!! Even if you are a good Bowser,it still wouldn't serve him right.Marth has the advantage on every corner:

-Better speed,which is opted for better mindgames.
-His D-tilt alone can outrange most of his attacks
-He can combo Bowser ****less.
-Marth has a quick grab with alot of range,and can gimp you with a F-throw>Tipper F-smash with ease.
-All of his tilts **** him
-Can shield grab with ease
-Most of all,his tipped attacks can kill at low percentages,or atleast edge gaurd.

And as for Roy,his power means nothing if it can't come into priority.

There is a certain point in the game in which character is more of a priority than skill.That's like saying Mewtwo can play on equal grounds with Shiek.I advise you gain more knowledge on match ups before you try to jump the gun and play more elite players,if that is what you want to do that is.

EDIT: I know this because I play Marth,an the fact of the matter is,I have never had a problem with bowser before..NEVER!!!

 

[BDawgPHD]

There is a certain point in the game in which character is more of a priority than skill.That's like saying Mewtwo can play on equal grounds with Shiek.I advise you gain more knowledge on match ups before you try to jump the gun and play more elite players,if that is what you want to do that is.

Okay, this is where I have the problem with tiers, because skill often outdoes character matchups. I just found out to my amazement that Link is on the low level tier. Yet I always use Link and I'm pretty insane with him. Not that I'm actually any good, I'm actually sort of pathetic :/ But I've seen the combo capabilities of some of the higher tiered characters like Shiek and Mario, and I don't usually combo like that, but I make up for it with sheer skill of the moves I do know. And the people I play with are actually pretty good and use the characters like they're supposed to. Yet I still keep on par with them (most of the time) because of sheer skill. Now I'm not saying that when I go up against a Shiek player who is about as good as I am that I'm not gonna get ended. I'm saying that if I'm a better player, I'll beat that player, even though Shiek is supposedly two tiers above Link.

So that point you're looking for - the point where character is more of a priority than skill - is quite a ways off.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Okay, this is where I have the problem with tiers, because skill often outdoes character matchups. I just found out to my amazement that Link is on the low level tier. Yet I always use Link and I'm pretty insane with him. Not that I'm actually any good, I'm actually sort of pathetic :/ But I've seen the combo capabilities of some of the higher tiered characters like Shiek and Mario, and I don't usually combo like that, but I make up for it with sheer skill of the moves I do know. And the people I play with are actually pretty good and use the characters like they're supposed to. Yet I still keep on par with them (most of the time) because of sheer skill. Now I'm not saying that when I go up against a Shiek player who is about as good as I am that I'm not gonna get ended. I'm saying that if I'm a better player, I'll beat that player, even though Shiek is supposedly two tiers above Link.

So that point you're looking for - the point where character is more of a priority than skill - is quite a ways off.

Obviously,reality isn't a priority here,so let me cut to the chase:

The reason I say this isn't tier related,but match up related.Shiek has the advantage against almost every character,and to specify this,MewTwo:

Range: Mewtwo has a bad range game,and Shieks is completly broken with her needles,which actually can negate every other projectile attack,while still able to have the other 5 hit the opponent.Camping with them can easily chip off damage on MewTwo,or force him to go offensive.And that can cause shiek to utterly **** MewTwo.

Her other range game lies in her Tilts and aerials,which have more range and priority than Mewtwo's.Her F-tilt comes out quick,and due to his light weight can set up for and easy Fair.
Her Bair also has a very annoying ability to out range almost all aerials,and it can be spaced with ease inorder to prevent a shield grab.

Grabs:When it comes to grabs,Shiek doesn't play games.Even though she isn't able to chain grab him much(Possibly 3 times,or DI away can stop it),but that still doesn't stop her from using her tilts or aerials on him to inflict damage.Also,In most cases,people who try to DI away from Shieks grab always get grabed again and *****,and if you don't DI,you will still get hit by her choice of Aerial or tilt.

If proper tech chasing is involved,MewTwo really has problems necause Shiek can get him to the edge quick.This wouldn't be too much if a problem if MewTwo didn't have such a horrible recovery.

Aerials:Simply put,her aerials are BEASTLY,Her Nair,Bair,Fair,and Uair all have insane priority and come out quickly.And against a light weight character,she can pull almost any aerial she wants after a D-tilt or an F-tilt(Fair can lead to an edge hog).

Smash attacks:Her main smash attack(The D-smash) Is a very deadly one indeed,at low percentages it can land multiple hits,so CC'ing it is preety dumb.The best part about it is how quick it comes out,and it's priority,once again,is better than MewTwo's.All of MewTwo's smash attacks have a horrile laggy effect,except for his U-smash,which really isn't that useful.You can Spot dodge>Grab most of his smash attacks because they are slow.

Edge Game: Her edge game is simple,Bairs,Fairs,and Nairs,is all you need.Due to MewTwo's crap recovery,he can't sweet spot the edge because he falls pray to edge hoggers.If Shiek is on the egde he can only do one thing,and that is try to land on stage.And Shiek can't camp their all she wants until he gets to the stage because it inflicts no damage.Durring that time,he can get hit by a ledge hopped aerial.

Sorry,but unless your MookieRah,I don't know how you're going to play against a Shiek well.

 

[technomancer]

Ok, if it was Bowser vs. Marth. What's the point. I know Bowser may be slow and Marth is fast, but if your a great Bowser player. You may win, but still Marth may be fast, but his abilities are weak compared to Roy. It's like getting hit by a paper fan.

WHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT?

 

[wuthefwasthat]

so even if marth's sword WAS a paper fan. he would still have the better matchup.
cause getting hit by a paper fan 20,000 times is better than getting koopa clawed once.

 

[Gojira]

MagnuM, cmon man. Falsefalco said you had some insane dtilt tech vs marth, something like you hit them out of up+b and they cant hit you? Don't keep all your secrets!

why even try the down tilt when you have the for sure edgehog against marth?

 

[Arash]

sometimes you can't make it to the edge before marth recovers

that's when he eats the double claw of doom

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

ok, I happened to see this topic, and even though I don't play Bowser... I do main marth! Plus, I have played one of the top Bowsers in Maryland - and won (and lost too!)... but recently, I won a set so...

Marth has great aerials and land attacks, but that alone is not good enough to beat a great bowser (unless you're Ken/Azen/M2K/pro). In order to win, Marth needs to abuse grabs. Marth has speed over Bowser, so all I do is dash dance around, wait for bowser to give me a quarter of a second of lag time, and run in for a grab to fthrow to whatever. I three stocked then two stocked the 2nd best Bowser in Maryland by doing this. I got three stocked the first game because I was not abusing the speed and grabs.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

the 2nd best bowser in maryland >_> theres a state that has multiple bowser mains? thats crazy, i'll probably post something on this matchup when i get around to the other matchups in the matchups thread lol

 

[mood4food77]

do remember, throw combo's don't work too well on bowser, he can escape all at 0%, and sheild cancelled up b's **** everyone...just 2 points i'd like to say

 

[Ryaneatworld]

Im sorry but I thought I just read about Marth being weak in comparison to Marth. <.<

 

[conn]

if you ever get beat by bowser when your marth, your a noob. marth should always own bowser.

 

[Ryaneatworld]

iono dude, gimpy fish is pretty pro. I'd be afraid of his bowser.

 

[MasterMatt]

unless you are a total pro at bowser, you will most likely lose against marth...

 

[Ryaneatworld]

like I said, Marths should watch out for Gimpy Fish.

 

[Gojira]

sometimes you can't make it to the edge before marth recovers

that's when he eats the double claw of doom

I meant to say the auto edge hog with the super sheild thign vs marth

 

[Gimpyfish62]

never ever ever ever capitolize the f in gimpyfish, and dont put a space there, its gimpy, or its gimpyfish, you can capitolize the G if you like... *sigh*

anyways, i'm not a god, a truly good marth will beat me, but i do well vs them, i'll put up a vid of me vs a truly good marth, who WILL beat me, but i'll put it up anyawys to show you guys some stuff.

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

Gimpyfish, I'm not trying to brag but state a fact. I will MM Bowsertree aka RanmaAppletree in a Marth vs Bowser match at an upcoming tourney to see for certain whether I really am better, however I won the last set we played, and I can't see his bowser beating my marth in a set.

My whole point is that a highly technical bowser with good mindgames can pull off an upset on marth, especially if the marth player is unfamiliar with the matchup.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

of course of course i just thought it was odd that there was a place where you'd say the 2nd best bowser of X area w/o it being like half of the US in size where there would be 2 bowser players existing XD

 

[Frozenserpent]

seriously, wth does the bowser do? The marth can just space short hopped fairs and just keep in mind bowser will roll and that's that. grab, fairs. bowser doesn't have the range or speed to keep up.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

i'll show you in my vid. silly bowser tertiaries *sigh*

 

[Arash]

there was a point in time where cao lived like an hour away from me....

 

[Gimpyfish62]

T-T <3's for mr. KO, i dont really see what that has to do with the topic but alright XD

crazy KO and his australia. haha i think i'm going to bed so no more posting from me, arash knows this matchup fairly well i guess, what with ken practice and all ;P

 

[Magus420]

seriously, wth does the bowser do? The marth can just space short hopped fairs and just keep in mind bowser will roll and that's that. grab, fairs. bowser doesn't have the range or speed to keep up.

You can dash dance dash grab them if they SH f-air a lot. If they DD camp you back for grabs... well, you can lose I guess, lol.

 

[gogogobaby]

Marth's main advantage over Bowser is Marth's speed and range. This means you cn't just wait for him and F-tilt or U-tilt. Therefore Bowser should use his flame breath because of it's range, than proceed to smack Marth. Remember

Don't​

wait for Marth to come at Bowser because if he hits Bowser with a tipper Bowser goes flying, so if Bowser is going to be hit by an attack anyway Bowser should try to hit Marth, possibly cancelling the attack, so that Bowser wouldn't be hit with a tipper.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

if firebreath is in your advice for any matchup other than ruinig a fox/falco sweetspot then your advice is made void, because firebreath is in general a pretty terrible move. it has its uses, but to put it as a main strategy? *shudder*

 

[gogogobaby]

Main Stratagy? I was only suggesting one stratagy. There are plenty of other stratagies to use: for example: spam Bowser's fortress-hog and edge attack. It's not that good but it is very funny to spam it continously LoL, especially when it works.

 

[KevinM]

Gimpy can we close this thread please, the first two pages are ridiculously n00bish.. come on we have people saying roy is better then marth and we have someone talking about using bowser bomb and flame breath.. its a disgrace

 

[MagnuM]

If you look at the dates all is forgiven...

 

[KevinM]

Yea but now a lot of these are from 2007 when we discovered most of boozers broken techniques and have revealed him as Top Tier

 

[JesiahTEG]

Bowser's Fsmash ***** marth terribly... ... ... ... not.