Brawl = Mario Party

[COMMOFDOOM]

Some may like it, some may not. But it is what it is.

Just a shame that what could have been an amazing, deep game with a massive potential to corner the fighting game market is just another fish in the sea.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

*facepalm*

 

[Goopygoo]

Yes, because Brawl is almost exactley like Melee.

Oh, wait.

 

[geemann2236]

Kid, I'll whoop your a$$. Brawl isn't even out in America yet, so don't go calling it out until we can agree with you (Or disagree).

 

[Yoshi'stheBombers7]

Get off the internet.

 

[M.K]

STFU GTFO AND NCB!!!!!

Never Come Back!

 

[Silfa]

Brawl's actually..

Mini games?

>_>

 

[Brav3r]

Brawl =/= Mario Party
Braw>mario party

 

[DraginHikari]

Some may like it, some may not. But it is what it is.

Just a shame that what could have been an amazing, deep game with a massive potential to corner the fighting game market is just another fish in the sea.

Hm? Just a bit of advice if your going to do a post like this... attempt to explain yourself a little more then that. This is just going to lead to flaming and no real discussion will happen.

 

[Rose Monkey]

)': go play a pure fighter game then.

smash is a fun party game, doesn't need to be catered to 2% of the people that want to play it.

 

[§leepy God]

Tell the truth, you just made this thead for the hell of it right?

 

[Nuvia]

Gee, it sure is opinionated around here.

 

[HyperTheHedgehog]

TC never took math classes

 

[Brainiac_man]

COMMOFDOOM, when expressing sarcasm, use the "[/sarcasm]" tag. I was actually pissed for a second.

 

[Kittah4]

Lets just have Guilty Gear's programmers do the next Smash. Then there can be L cancels, false L cancels, reverse L cancels, and WAVEDASHBREAKING.

 

[Disco Ninja Monkey]

*facepalm*

*facepalm*

*facepalm*

*facepalm*

*facepalm*

This thread is the stupid to end all stupids.

 

[Jimiisama]

I used to think that about Melee before I got into it. Ask me 5 years ago if I liked Melee, and I would tell you "Who the hell plays a Mario game competitively?" Eventually I gave Melee a chance and learned the competitive value of the game. I think people need to give Brawl the same chance.

 

[COMMOFDOOM]

Hm? Just a bit of advice if your going to do a post like this... attempt to explain yourself a little more then that. This is just going to lead to flaming and no real discussion will happen.

I'm sorry. I'll illuminate. Mario party is random chance with little involvement of skill.


Also show me a thread about Brawl with real discussion. There's so much flaming and bickering that the mods can't keep up. Hell the server can't even handle it.

 

[Yoshi'stheBombers7]

COMMOFDOOM, when expressing sarcasm, use the "[/sarcasm]" tag. I was actually pissed for a second.

Oh, he sarcastic. Phew.

 

[Rhubarbo]

Lets just have Guilty Gear's programmers do the next Smash. Then there can be L cancels, false L cancels, reverse L cancels, and WAVEDASHBREAKING.

XD, QFT on how the un-adaptable elitists function! Learn to adapt. The game is NO WHERE CLOSE to Mario Party. I must agree though that Brawl does cater to the casuals. Tripping? They ruined Nintendo's last reach out to the core gamer to a degree. However, that is a good move on Nintendo's behalf because it will CERTAINLY sell more coppies this way.

Besides, I don't know why people ever betted money on a videogame to begin with. That's just being stupid.

 

[Dokuro]

Mario Party is a "random chance with little involvement of skill", correct, but how does that relate to Brawl? You can't just stand around hitting the A button and expect to win.

 

[Jimiisama]

Melee was never made to be competitive either, but you were able to modify the game and find competitive value in it. Players make games, not developers. Developers may design, program, and think they make a game, but a player decides how it is played. Do you think Capcom knew Marvel was gonna have AHVB loops? Do you think they had any idea Magneto could link several supers together? Do you think they knew half the characters had infinite combos? Glitched juggernaut? That only 10% of the characters they made were useful? They compare Smash to Marvel because it's a game made for casual players that was turned into a seriously competitive game. It's a true testament to how games are shaped by the players.

 

[Collective of Bears]

I can't help it. I love posting these things.

 

[notftomearth7]

I'm sorry. I'll illuminate. Mario party is random chance with little involvement of skill.


Also show me a thread about Brawl with real discussion. There's so much flaming and bickering that the mods can't keep up. Hell the server can't even handle it.

I truly hope someone kicks your *** NOOB.


You don't need to go around TELLING people this, it's just a fact of lifet.

 

[Ricard_the_dragoon]

Brawl =/= Mario Party
Braw>mario party

Quoted for tru..wait...
Brawl>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mario Party... meh, it's close enough

 

[Sosuke]

wow this actually made me laugh.

 

[Nuvia]

Also show me a thread about Brawl with real discussion. There's so much flaming and bickering that the mods can't keep up. Hell the server can't even handle it.

Haha, well you do have a point therNO SUITABLE NODES ARE AVAILABLE TO SERVE YOUR REQUEST

 

[DraginHikari]

I'm sorry. I'll illuminate. Mario party is random chance with little involvement of skill.


Also show me a thread about Brawl with real discussion. There's so much flaming and bickering that the mods can't keep up. Hell the server can't even handle it.

Mario Party is a board game

Brawl is a fighting game

It is really too difficult to compare them even if it doesn't have the techinques you refer to by it's depth (Which is something I chose to disagree) doesn't compare to the luck based play of a board game.

As far as the threads, yes it is pretty bad right now, but adding to the fire isn't going to dosh the flames either. Unfortunely, alot of it comes down to the impatience and issues over Brawl coming out in about three weeks now, and until it does I'm not sure the dust will properly settle. My attempts to make decent posts tonight and mostly gotten bended over by the constant flames and bickering, but all I can think to do is keep trying to avoid being drawn into doing the same thing that a majority seem to be doing.

 

[COMMOFDOOM]

Melee was never made to be competitive either, but you were able to modify the game and find competitive value in it. Players make games, not developers. Developers may design, program, and think they make a game, but a player decides how it is played. Do you think Capcom knew Marvel was gonna have AHVB loops? Do you think they had any idea Magneto could link several supers together? Do you think they knew half the characters had infinite combos? Glitched juggernaut? That only 10% of the characters they made were useful? They compare Smash to Marvel because it's a game made for casual players that was turned into a seriously competitive game. It's a true testament to how games are shaped by the players.

Poor game testing isn't an excuse for anything. I do, however, understand that there is almost never a sufficient amount of time for anything resembling adequate play testing.

The difference here is that the developers of Brawl set out to make a ****ty game. Or at least one objectively worse than Melee.

They claim to have made the game more accessible to new players but all they really did was remove a large portion of skill to effect the outcome of matches. Some of you may find winning a game by random chance enjoyable. The majority of us do not.

Look at Brawl objectively. What did they change to make it easier to learn? Somewhere around nothing. Keep in mind that knowing how to play a game and knowing how to play it well are not the same thing (knowing how to play Chess does not by any stretch of the word make you good at it.)

 

[Blackshadow]

You're all getting trolled. Just stop replying and he has nothing to latch on to.

Problem solved.

 

[COMMOFDOOM]

Mario Party is a board game

Brawl is a fighting game

It is really too difficult to compare them even if it doesn't have the techinques you refer to by it's depth (Which is something I chose to disagree) doesn't compare to the luck based play of a board game.

As far as the threads, yes it is pretty bad right now, but adding to the fire isn't going to dosh the flames either. Unfortunely, alot of it comes down to the impatience and issues over Brawl coming out in about three weeks now, and until it does I'm not sure the dust will properly settle. My attempts to make decent posts tonight and mostly gotten bended over by the constant flames and bickering, but all I can think to do is keep trying to avoid being drawn into doing the same thing that a majority seem to be doing.

Mario Party has minigames. You control characters in said minigames. How well you control those characters barely effects the game. This is the developers intent for Brawl.

And yes flaming seems to be the only thing going on. I will however add that the vast majority of the Brawl supporters are those that haven't played the game, have new forum accounts and most likely are so terrible at Melee that I could beat them one handed with Pichu.

 

[Ekul]

That's right. In fact I'm tired of random chance too. We need to have all the characters be grey wireframes, crazy unescapable comboes and cut down on all those bright colors. Feelings in tournaments should be banned as well. You never know how those things can turn out!

 

[Zoolander]

Lol, I like and still play Mario Party games. So, whatever.

 

[COMMOFDOOM]

That's right. In fact I'm tired of random chance too. We need to have all the characters be grey wireframes, crazy unescapable comboes and cut down on all those bright colors. Feelings in tournaments should be banned as well. You never know how those things can turn out!

Who said anything about unescapable combos or character monotony? Oh, right. No one.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Mario Party has minigames. You control characters in said minigames. How well you control those characters barely effects the game. This is the developers intent for Brawl.

So, randomly pushing buttons in any sort of fashion in Smash will make you win? Nehhh.

 

[Jimiisama]

Poor game testing isn't an excuse for anything. I do, however, understand that there is almost never a sufficient amount of time for anything resembling adequate play testing.

The difference here is that the developers of Brawl set out to make a ****ty game. Or at least one objectively worse than Melee.

They claim to have made the game more accessible to new players but all they really did was remove a large portion of skill to effect the outcome of matches. Some of you may find winning a game by random chance enjoyable. The majority of us do not.

Look at Brawl objectively. What did they change to make it easier to learn? Somewhere around nothing. Keep in mind that knowing how to play a game and knowing how to play it well are not the same thing (knowing how to play Chess does not by any stretch of the word make you good at it.)

I understand that 90% of the advanced techniques of Melee are no longer present, but I think most of us were expecting that. I haven't gotten many chances to play a lot of 1v1 Brawl, so I'm not sure if it is truly more random (granted random stages aren't played, and items turned off). I can understand your frustration with a new game, but I'm interested in understanding what exactly makes the game random.

 

[COMMOFDOOM]

Lol, I like and still play Mario Party games. So, whatever.

I never said Mario Party was unenjoyable. I just said it was bad/ruled by random chance.

 

[Nuvia]

You know, he's saying all this stuff on purpose to irritate you guys.

 

[Kazuma]

You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman.

 

[COMMOFDOOM]

I understand that 90% of the advanced techniques of Melee are no longer present, but I think most of us were expecting that. I haven't gotten many chances to play a lot of 1v1 Brawl, so I'm not sure if it is truly more random (granted random stages aren't played, and items turned off). I can understand your frustration with a new game, but I'm interested in what exactly makes the game random.

Der, you can start with the random tripping.