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The one second regrab limit would be the epitome of that design philosophy.You might be right, it is very early. But I still think much of the game feels "canned" compared to past Smash games, where certain attacks were designed to work very well together and some not to function well at all. It's difficult to explain what I mean. Anyone who has played Gouken in SF4 might understand what I'm talking about. He has clear barriers in his kit set up to stop him from abusing certain very strong moves he has in unintended ways, whereas most of the rest of the cast can link a variety of moves together and be far more "creative."
I feel Smash 4 has sacrificed a certain level of potential creativity in favor of a more balanced overall experience. That's not to say the meta can't evolve or that we won't find interesting things, but Smash 4 offers a fair bit less "freedom" to the player compared to Brawl. Knockback angles feel far more restricive and less general (a lot of angles in brawl were like, this hits straight up, this hits horizontally, etc Smash 4's kb angles feel often just out of reach or just barely inconvenient for a follow-up attack).
Things are set up to work in certain ways and in certain circumstances, and only those circumstances, which makes the game easier to balance and more predictable for the designers. There seems to have been a decision internally to say "okay, we're going to give players the combo game they want back, but we're going to make sure things don't get crazy by mapping out every potential string and making sure the ones we didn't account for aren't there." With a... obviously dubious degree of success, mind you.
Ultimately this gives just about every character less "teeth" because there is just less potential for abuse.
I don't think I need to say "could be wrong, very early" every time I post something, though, @~ Gheb ~ . This is an impressions thread after all.
Yes, that too.
But I liked that change :C
I like it too, all though 60 frames is too many
Unless you are talking about ForcePalm which has a nerfed grabbox, I don't think even with Aura he has a throw that can kill.
One of his throws DEFINITELY kill just at later percents not sure which one
Yoshi still has to play somewhat honestly against Cape and Fireballs and Usmash. Keeping in mind this matchup was slightly Mario's favor in Brawl. Yoshi wins vs Mario slightly this game mostly due to buffed KO options. But Mario has a clear answer and response to most of Yoshi's options.
I think maybe Bthrow has KO power if they DI it wrong, and your close to the ledge.
This may all be true but I don't think it makes matchups inherently more or less balanced. All it means is that destroying somebody or getting destroyed by somebody is a longer and more painful process than it used to be in Brawl. The end result could very easily be the same though. Given the amount of options the good characters have and the amount of holes the bad characters have I wouldn't be surprised at all if that were the case.
okay I will prove it now that Mario beat Yoshi in Brawl.
very funny, says the person without any evidence.
Yoshi loses by approaching with Bair. Mario just plays aerial footsies with his Bair and wins the trade, keeping in mind Mario also has oos options. You do like what, 3 damage and Mario does 12 when he hits your tail? Yoshi does not want to get into an air spacing game vs Mario.
All three of Mario's Smashes KO earlier. This is a tested fact. Mario simply KOs Yoshi earlier than the other way around in Brawl. Mario also gets Bthrow at like 185 while Yoshi really only can land Usmash and dsmash and Nair.
I think you may be extrapolating based on ZSS, who from what I understand was sort of hit hard in that department and became less combo and more swordsmanish (best thing I can think of). It likely depends character to character. One example I can think of where we can easily see this play out are with Fox vs Kirby's dairs. Fox's dair knocks opponents at an angle now while kirbys grinds them into the ground, when the reverse was true for Brawl. I cant imaging the thought process that went into the decision for each. But as another example, a few pages ago I actually wrote something up about how a few subtle changes made pikachu flow more smoothly in smash 4 as well.
The hitbox being nerfed doesn't change the fact that it's completely absurd how that move can KO at obscenely low percentages.
Luigi would like to submit that hitbox size is, perhaps, relevant.
The point being that even a small hitbox on a command grab is irrelevant when it is still an excellent move that gets inane reach on the non-grab part.
And i'd like that posit that one character (a forgetable one at that) doesn't make my point any less valid. I'll concede that Lucario has a lot of overpowered nonsense, but that command grab is simply the cherry on top of an overpowered cake
I feel bad when I win as Lucario (which is needless to say every time). I don't play him often but when I get an itch, I scratch it, and I feel like I've exploited a cheap character for my own personal gain.
I was playing Lucario today against ZSS and they pretty much outplayed me up to like 120%. Then I two stocked them.
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Yeah it's basically a PERMANENT UNCOUNTERABLE BANANA and it's just completely ridiculous.
I feel the same way for Meta Knight.
Has anyone told you that you tend to number crunch a lot in your analyses?
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Smartass.Rage
I dunno, to me it seems like Lucario has a tougher time at low percents compared to Brawl. Can anyone confirm?
I'm inclined to agree.
I agree.Rage
I dunno, to me it seems like Lucario has a tougher time at low percents compared to Brawl. Can anyone confirm?
