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Character Variation in Teams
- Thread starter Omni
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D. Disciple
Smash Master
Too many hyper viper beams though, it's not good for the soul.
Chip.
you know what to do
SnackAttack
Smash Champion
If it weren't for MLG, we'd have little ***s running around with ARs and Shotguns thinking they're pro.
MLG gave us a ruleset and scenarios that actually take skill to excel in.
Ol-Jeb
Smash Apprentice
from a personal preference standpoint I don't think it should be restricted. Diversity means featuring all of the options. You may be limiting it by letting people do double teams but you're definitely doing it if they can't even pick that option.
6Mizu
Smash Champion
Ummm....I don't think this'd really affect......Competitive Doubles. Because if some team can do Double MK there is better choices.
Plus people barely even go double of any character, because about 90% of the time there is a better choice.
So I don't really care which way this little "doubles rule" goes...because it doesn't change anything that much.
Plus people barely even go double of any character, because about 90% of the time there is a better choice.
So I don't really care which way this little "doubles rule" goes...because it doesn't change anything that much.
-Kiros-
Smash Journeyman
My friends and I were messing around with doubles, and two of them decided to train for an upcoming doubles tourney. They decided to go Ness-Lucas and my other friend and I went Marth-D3 to test them.
I think that doubles teams need variety. We tried two MK's and we only got in each other's ways trying to fight. There needs to be dedicated roles for each character/player, and having two of the same character just doesn't cut it. Weakness get exploited too easily (infinites on Ness/Lucas anyone?), and strengths don't work if you only have one or two.
Yes, character variation is the way to go, not only for practical reasons but to make matches more interesting to see how different characters can work together.
I think that doubles teams need variety. We tried two MK's and we only got in each other's ways trying to fight. There needs to be dedicated roles for each character/player, and having two of the same character just doesn't cut it. Weakness get exploited too easily (infinites on Ness/Lucas anyone?), and strengths don't work if you only have one or two.
Yes, character variation is the way to go, not only for practical reasons but to make matches more interesting to see how different characters can work together.
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Hey Omni, since when do you care about character variation?
I thought it didn't matter to you...
edit: As I recall earlier, you said it didn't matter so long as the game doesn't stagnate.
I can't/don't foresee doubles stagnating any time in the near future.
I thought it didn't matter to you...
edit: As I recall earlier, you said it didn't matter so long as the game doesn't stagnate.
I can't/don't foresee doubles stagnating any time in the near future.
6Mizu
Smash Champion
Ohhh, god I feel like this is gonna turn into another MK discussion and get locked.
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
I would be for this suggestion. Just because a team with identical characters is lame imo
6Mizu
Smash Champion
How so?
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
I do not trust this thread one bit.
Has it been proven that any particular team of the same two chars is the best in teams by a very wide margin? That's when I'd start to think of rules. Otherwise you're limiting the player's choice dramatically.
Has it been proven that any particular team of the same two chars is the best in teams by a very wide margin? That's when I'd start to think of rules. Otherwise you're limiting the player's choice dramatically.
UltiMario
Out of Obscurity
What is the point of a rule that doesn't even mean anything?
This rule would only mean something if Double characters were a dominant force, which they aren't. Its not going to change variety or anything like that AT ALL because 95% of all teams are made out of different characters anyway because anyone GOOD knows that you should be different chars.
Pointless.
This rule would only mean something if Double characters were a dominant force, which they aren't. Its not going to change variety or anything like that AT ALL because 95% of all teams are made out of different characters anyway because anyone GOOD knows that you should be different chars.
Pointless.
MetalMusicMan
Sleepwalk our lives away.
While this is an interesting concept, I would be very much against a rule that restricts a team from picking two of the same character. It's unnecessary and uncalled for.
There is nothing broken with two of the same character on a team, even double MK is worse than most MK + whoever teams.
There is nothing broken with two of the same character on a team, even double MK is worse than most MK + whoever teams.
6Mizu
Smash Champion
TY Omni.
Eddie G
Smash Hero
Yeah someone pretty much already covered this: a double character team is considerably weaker than a mix character team (usually, and character viability dependent).
That aside, a rule like that would be asinine. There's no purpose for it nor is there anything thus far that would call for this kind of consideration.
That aside, a rule like that would be asinine. There's no purpose for it nor is there anything thus far that would call for this kind of consideration.
TwentyTwo
Smash Ace
Idk Omni, I think the problem is that smash has a legit doubles mode to play in. Teams in other games as I understand works more like crew battles? Now if this were a rule in crew battles, or we implemented this style of teams in tourneys say 3v3 crew battles, no character repeats, sounds pretty fun to me.
Kantō
Smash Champion
i think 2 different characters on a team are harder to beat then a ditto team. although they can be **** if done correctly. the same rules for the character selection in tourney and CP stages and characters are fine rules and are def. fair.
This sounds pretty legit...
JOE!
Smash Hero
Would 2 PTs be considered the same character under this?
I dont get why everyone is saying things that basically end up along the lines of "dont fix what isn't broken"
He's looking to see if enforcing a rule that stops double teams and yes they are sort of common, at least on counterpicks. I wonder how many times I've seen people switch to double mk on someones janky cp to **** them over ~_~
That not being the point of my post, omni is just looking to stop it so the metagame can advance further because people will be using more characters and combinations. This isn't some sort of secret thing to ban mk, so dont take it like thats what it is. He's just questioning if we should try it to see more diversity. If you dont understand that, please dont post
He's looking to see if enforcing a rule that stops double teams and yes they are sort of common, at least on counterpicks. I wonder how many times I've seen people switch to double mk on someones janky cp to **** them over ~_~
That not being the point of my post, omni is just looking to stop it so the metagame can advance further because people will be using more characters and combinations. This isn't some sort of secret thing to ban mk, so dont take it like thats what it is. He's just questioning if we should try it to see more diversity. If you dont understand that, please dont post
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
We get why (at least most of us do), we're just saying it's pointless.
MetalMusicMan
Sleepwalk our lives away.
I agree with this. Smash has "real" teams, whereas most games do not. If we wanted to have a more normalized SF inspired "Crew / Team" mode at tournaments, that would be fine, but messing with our current, already unique and perfect Team mode is stupid.
Justblaze647
Smash Lord
Maybe I should clarify... Teams with identical characters would be lame to watch.How so?
Overswarm
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Sounds like someone's modship should be put into question.
Seriously, you're the voice of anti-ban, make a ridiculous suggestion that has a very loose parallel to other fighting games "team" (our teams != their teams. Our crews = their crews. The suggestion of crews only having one of each character is a neat one; of teams is ridiculous), and you make a thread focusing on two of the same character on a team when
A) double MK is the only successful double character team noted
B) double anything isn't seen as a problem by, well, anyone for anything other than variety purposes (which is arbitrary and not really something we should impose)
Why the hell wouldn't someone bring up the MK discussion? You just made a thread that ties directly into it. Same stuff happened in your other thread, don't expect different here. Close the thread and try again with crews if you're worried about this being too close to the MK topic.
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
I dunno. If he wants to make himself look like both an idiot and a bigot, let him. I can't even imagine what point he would have at all.
The whole point is to gather a consensus and see what everyone's thoughts are on this question.
Not sure why pro-ban is being so rude.
D. Disciple
Smash Master
I'm still shaking my head at a lot of these responses.
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
That's silly when you think about the existing facts. There's absolutely no reason; there is no 2x team that's worth picking. Most people here see this as either an attempt to troll, a trap, or something of similar nature. There's no reason for such a rule; I would imagine you would know just as well. You're either trolling, being hypocritical, or just not good in doubles.
Also, it's not just pro-ban.
Overswarm
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Me and Kel play double MK and haven't found a team that doesn't involve M2K that beats us! The only tourney we've not placed as high as possible (under m2k :\) was one we arrived at late and went straight to losers. :D
<3 double MK for easy mode
I'm curious as to what info you expected to get. As OS stated, there is no Non-meta double team that is popular/really good so outside of that example this suggestion does nothing but restrict peoples fun factor (double ganon, double falcon, etc.)
And as others have said, with you being the "lead of anti-ban" thsi looks like a trap/trolling. I would honestly like a response on what you expected to happne.
I agree, not allowing double GnW or Diddy is pointless, especially when the latter is imminently laughable.
hotgarbage
Smash Lord
*proceeds to hate*
theunabletable
Smash Lord
MLG ruleset is crazy as hell.
Team attack seems to be off, Delfino as a neutral, Wiichuck ****ING BANNED (which is ridiculous as some people (I know Tearbear who's a ranked player in SoCal) are Wiichuck users and have already bought passes when they aren't going to be allowed to play because they use a perfectly fine controller that's banned).
Now if team attack is REALLY off (which would be ********), then I can understand, but otherwise it makes no sense.