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[DtJ S2n]

If Cello were to ever pull the curtains back after a con that long, the explanation would come in the form of a full sized book and would eventually be published as a young adult thriller, new york times best seller.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm pretty sure the blast zones vary on each of the omegas and then some of them have walls and others don't which is a big deal for wall jumping characters.

Stage length and blast zones are all the same. There are three major archetypes of omega variant and 2 (I think it's just two) unique lay-outs in the form of Magicant and Arena Ferox. You could lump them all into one and make it so that the player who is counter picking gets to select which version of FD you play on, but never EVER should a player have to ban multiple FDs in a game that is already mostly long flat stages.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

cause fd is like, the least neutral stage ever.

This seems like the main case to me when some grab infinite or CG exists.

Not so much in other MUs, it's really not that polar in Smash 4 compared to any other smash iteration imo.

That said I only wanna play on certain omegas for music and backgrounds.

 

[BarDulL]

If Cello were to ever pull the curtains back after a con that long, the explanation would come in the form of a full sized book and would eventually be published as a young adult thriller, new york times best seller.

i wouldn't know man, i came here waaaaay after he was here. point is, (since some people are missin' it), is that alts are pretty dumb.

although i would have guessed that cello watching fetish porn as a means of coming up with a 3 year con would have been a clear giveaway that i'm not cello, Kappa

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Not so much in other MUs, it's really not that polar in Smash 4 compared to any other smash iteration imo.

I don't know if you've ever tried to play a character with slightly above average or worse air mobility against Greninja or ZSS on FD, but it's not ****ing fun. Lack of platforms mean that for a lot of characters, the only choice they have is to flee to the edge and do you know how bad of a position that is?

Melee is the only Smash game where it should be a neutral and only because the melee community neutered the stage list.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't know if you've ever tried to play a character with slightly above average or worse air mobility against Greninja or ZSS on FD, but it's not ****ing fun. Lack of platforms mean that for a lot of characters, the only choice they have is to flee to the edge and do you know how bad of a position that is?

Melee is the only Smash game where it should be a neutral and only because the melee community neutered the stage list.

I still think none of this is as warping as what happens in Melee, and I've gotten used to it due to a lot of for glory. Smash 4 in a way seemed to have been made to care for this mode as well.

I won't deny it favors some characters over others but Smash 4 doesn't have an easy 0-death of minor mistakes like the others do.

Marth would jump up in tiers in Melee if he got FD only, heck might be the best character given the stupid he can do without platforms.

I can see an argument for it on past smash games. Not in Smash 4.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He wouldn't be close to the best character without platforms and I think you greatly underestimate exactly what happens to a large percentage of the cast if they're put in the air on FD by a good character.

If For Glory got you used to it, you have Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

How do mafia games work?

 

[JeXs]

another gorf appeared!!

 

[JeXs]

In all seriousness check out the mini queue thread!

 

[Dooms]

How do mafia games work?

Read the opening post of the mini queue thread and join that game. Mini queue games are designed to help newer players get into mafia, so if you have any questions, players (and the moderator of) that game will be more than willing to answer them. The easiest way to learn how to play mafia is to just play a game. It will become clear after a game or two, especially if you're asking questions while you're playing.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Read the opening post of the mini queue thread and join that game. Mini queue games are designed to help newer players get into mafia, so if you have any questions, players (and the moderator of) that game will be more than willing to answer them. The easiest way to learn how to play mafia is to just play a game. It will become clear after a game or two, especially if you're asking questions while you're playing.

In all seriousness check out the mini queue thread!

Thanks guys!

 

[Raziek]

why is omega not allowed and why is final destination a counter?

I lump Omegas in under FD. If you ban FD that counts as banning Omegas. If you CP FD you can pick an Omega form.

FD is counter because it has always been one of the most polarizing stages in Smash bros and this game is no different.

I'm pretty sure the blast zones vary on each of the omegas and then some of them have walls and others don't which is a big deal for wall jumping characters.

Blast zones don't vary as far as I can tell. Walls is what matters, though.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

i guess i am newb and will need the "polarizing" thing explained

 

[Raziek]

i guess i am newb and will need the "polarizing" thing explained

A stage is polarizing if it is frequently the 'worst stage' for a character in many different match-ups.

In Brawl, this was extremely common as a result of the prevalent chain-grabs. Any character on the receiving end of a CG desperately wants to avoid FD.

In Smash 4, this is a result of the importance of the juggle game. Air-dodging being bad means a stage with no platforms at all is ****ing awful if you get abused in the mobility department, as Ryker already pointed out.

An example from the opposite end of the spectrum would be (Brawl) Rainbow Cruise, as it encourages characters to constantly be moving, favoring characters with strong air games (MK, GW, Wario, etc).

Polarizing stages are not necessarily ban-worthy, but are usually counterpick. In the case of stage striking, FD is almost NEVER the stage that one character wants to go to, so the one who doesn't is forced to use their strike on the stage. Yoshi's is used as a replacement in my list as it offers a similar type of gameplay to a much less extreme degree.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

makes sense

i just like it cuz it's trippy and not one of the AWFUL non omega (even though it may as well be) stages in smash 4

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Just watch what M2K does to people on FD with Marth, or what any Brawl ICs player does, and you'll start to see why a lack of platforms is sometimes a death sentence.

 

[Vinylic.]

Challonge sign-ups tomorrow. If I can make it on time.
Sunday, November 23rd. 1PM PDT | 4PM EST|
Razzie(k)s Awards Ruleset.

It is a 3DS tournament. No Wii U gameplay. I bought a Wii U that's defected, in which I deem it as a completely marvelous bull**** time of event as I was starting to play bayonetta for the first time ever. Like, 2 or 3 minutes in and the vuvuzela pops out. I would've been alright with it otherwise.

Any adjustments needed?

 

[Ashemu]

i would maybe join this tournament if my for glory winrate wasnt lower than 50%. i will join a mafia game if somebody trustworthy posts sign-ups though

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Here's a list of practical paths to take for the community. I don't agree with everything I'm about to say. A lot of these talking points spring from differing attitudes expressed to me by other people, individually, in private.

Good post.

2c:

the social thread-
If people want to reset the social thread, say every year, that sounds fine. Doesn't bother me one way or the other.
The social thread by its very nature is always gonna be a difficult animal. That being said...

- Let's try not to discourage people from making new threads.
If 2-3 people want to have a 'debate' about something, i.e. a conversation over an issue with more than a couple of replies on each side, I don't think it would hurt to take it to a separate thread rather than the typical 'take it to PMs' which can tend to spring up. (Sideways reminder that some conversations are better off in PMs, or that should not be happening in the first place).

On a related note, if you want to organise something like Vinyl's current smash 4 tourney, I think that one post in the social and a separate thread for people expressing interest, to talk about that event in particular, would be ideal. I'm thinking here of the Apex thread for instance - it's still a social topic that anyone's invited to, but it doesn't need to be in the same 'stream' as talking about our favourite music &c

who's who-
in the same vein of making the social thread more, uh, social, I had the idea for a dgames roster list we could have either at the top of the social thread, or stickied elsewhere (maybe the archive). We have or had an interview thread, but what I imagine is anyone coming to this part of town might like to know, at a glance, roughly who they're going to be playing with. In the same vein as the way we have our smash mains under our profile pictures, some sort of basic information might be great to have on hand. Imagine something like:

#HBC | Kary
aka Kary, Karebear
Playing since: Mid 2012
Active / Semi-Active / Social / Inactive / Retired

Preferred Alignment: Town
Favourite Setups: Simple, Closed
Post Frequency: Medium
Description: You are a stubborn sponge. You are usually quite the bubbly spirit of Dgames, but sometimes when someone gets you into that 'mode', you huddle up into a pose of no return whatsoever. Taking candy from a baby? Not beneath you in this mood. Stealing votes and applying them to rig an election? Not beneath you in this mood. No sexy times for your partner? Not beneath you in this mood. -- Dgames Disco Upick

sounds good? No? I don't know. Some of this kind of information is going to subjective I imagine, but I feel like we could at least do something to make the place a little more familiar for people.

standard ruleset-
this is a great idea no two ways about it. We normally have about 4 different sections on rules anyways, so having one standard 'SWF mafia rules' and then a separate 'game specific' section sounds great.

Personally, I think my rules from Tranquility are about the simplest you can make a ruleset, but we can probably have a conversation about what needs to be put into writing so its crystal clear for any newcomers. If I can be arsed to try write up a ruleset, I might do that the next day or so, but it is the sort of discussion that would be ideal for a separate thread if someone wants to try their hand.

- Let's get another moderator.
I don't see how this could be a bad thing. Of course, I never get into trouble with the mods
But really, having someone else around to at the very least water down some objectionable material before it blows up into another **** storm sounds like a great idea.

That was more like 25c I guess, what you gonna do.

 

[JeXs]

i really like the who's who idea

 

[#HBC | Kary]

also, can you tell I'm bored today?

 

[Gova]

In the same vein as the way we have our smash mains under our profile pictures, some sort of basic information might be great to have on hand. Imagine something like:

Something like everyone having a icon under our profile pictures.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

The only problem I see with the "who's who" thing is that it'll just make people feel like more on the outside. They see a thread with a bunch of profiles about us, and they're all "oh ****, look at these guys. Clearly they've got their own thing going on, and I'm not a part of it." or "can I still join games even if I don't have one of those profiles? Am I supposed to be here, or is this board just for these guys?"

 

[we thuggin]

i was thinking of that. an idea ill throw out is it acting as an introduction thread. goes with fresh start we would try to hit

EDIT actually i like the mini queue acting as the ONE thread new people go to first. maybe it can act as both? i dunno ill leave this here to stir the pot

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

The only problem I see with the "who's who" thing is that it'll just make people feel like more on the outside. They see a thread with a bunch of profiles about us, and they're all "oh ****, look at these guys. Clearly they've got their own thing going on, and I'm not a part of it." or "can I still join games even if I don't have one of those profiles? Am I supposed to be here, or is this board just for these guys?"

Not at all. I added an introduction thread to ZSS boards (which was more personal-aimed rather than a mafia profile) and people happily posted there.

 

[Xivii]

I still have one of those profile compendiums a third of the way completed pretty much in the same format that Kary posted. Though since I was just doing it for fun it also has player attributes which should definitely be removed if you want it as a serious thing. If anyone(s) is interested in completing it, hit me up.

 

[Xivii]

Also I've been avoiding posting here, but I like the direction you guys are going and agree with the general consensus of things (ie Nabe's big post).

 

[Xivii]

By the way this room was set up specifically so that room moderators could enforce host rules. I think somehow this was forgotten, but the room mods are supposed to have the authority to enforce the rules that the game hosts cannot, such as rule #1, not posting during the night (by closing the thread during the night phase), and cheating.

 

[Kantrip]

I think we need 4 stickied threads to accomplish everything we want.

An FAQ/Social Thread. Place for off-topic discussion and a place to introduce yourself. Will have frequently asked questions and answers in the OP. This is where player profiles would go if we did them.

A DGames Standard Mafia Rules and Metagame Discussion thread. Basically what we have now with the Salt Factory but the OP would also include the standard rules to be used for all games. Discussion of these rules would also fall under the thread's purpose. Basically the general thread for on-topic discussion.

A DGames archive thread. List of all completed games with links for easy reference. Any sort of MVP or Achievement system that we may use in the future would go here as well.

A "Basic Mafia Queue" thread. Call it the Mini Queue, call it the Newbie Queue, call it the Simple Mafia Sign up Thread. Doesn't matter. This is our queue system for newbie-friendly games (typically open setup or really simple closed setup). Aiming for 7 or less players, this queue is both for people who want a small and simple game of mafia and for newbies to DGames who will be encouraged to play their first game here. I think people who want to mod games should be encouraged to mod their first game here too.

Anything that doesn't fit in these parameters should get its own thread. No minimum size on regular mafia games so people wanting to run small crazy setups can just throw the thread up.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I think Mini becoming "Basic Mafia Queue" would not be a bad idea. Running 12 man simple games wouldn't be a terrible thing. It would make sure that, in the wake of all the outlandish games that passionate hosts tend to run, there will always be a place for simple games.

That would mostly be a queue for players, not a queue for hosts.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Probably wouldn't advocate it being 12 player. 7 player is perfectly fine imo. Otherwise I agree.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

go dabuz go





oh no

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Probably wouldn't advocate it being 12 player. 7 player is perfectly fine imo. Otherwise I agree.

Then you have 7 man games competing with normal sized games and splitting sign-ups for basic games.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Then you have 7 man games competing with normal sized games and splitting sign-ups for basic games.

12-man games wouldn't?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

12 man games can supplant them.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

And I don't mean just 12. I mean 7-13. 12 is just the best average number.

 

[Maven89]

I don't like the idea of a "who's who" thread .There's like 20 people here of which maybe...7-8 are constantly active? There's no need for a thread for everyone to blow themselves in

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

oh i misread you

i still thinking leaving "normal queue" size at 7 is better. allowing it to go up to 13 is fine but i think it might be more solid to run a game with smaller sizes if we're interested in using it as an intro for newbies.

 

[we thuggin]

i think most of these initiatives can b accomplished without 4 stickies. somethin i always thought was better about this room than most mafia places is that we DONT hav a ****ton of stickies the average niggall gloss over. i barely wanted to slap a third 1 there earlier this year

ive been thinking of condensing **** here while slicing **** there. the archive has gotten bloated in its op to the point i dont even open it due to how slow it loads tho idk if putting all the player data elsewhere wuld actually minimize that

ima take a look @ this **** over the weekend when im not bein a lazyass *****