Do you think Dr. Mario should of been in the final version of Brawl?

[???????]

Do you think Dr. Mario should if been in? Why or why not?

*Personally I think he should of since he has a more unique moveset when compared to Mario in Brawl now*

 

[A2ZOMG]

Uh...no. Mario has a much more unique moveset than Doctor Mario. What are you talking about?

Plus....Doctor Mario sucks. Despite what the tiers say, he's technically worse than Mario. We don't need any more substandard clones. >_>

 

[fazares]

not really....the only thing dr. mario had for him was a reliable ko move,aside from the abused f-smash,...his f-air....now seeing mario has got so much ways of killing,in this game,dr mario isnt needed anymore...
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[???????]

Ok, fair enough.

*What's A2ZOMG talking about?*

 

[A2ZOMG]

Dr. Mario's moveset borrows completely from Mario's. Thus it isn't unique.

Only Mario actually had the Cape, FLUDD, and the Super Jump Punch. They just ripped those of Mario and put them on Doc to give him a moveset. His moveset isn't original, set aside his Pills and F-smash. Everything about Mario's moveset however is original to him and his game heritage.

And again, Doctor Mario really is inferior to Mario anyway. Don't need him in Brawl. =/

 

[Vidd]

Dr. Mario's moveset borrows completely from Mario's. Thus it isn't unique.

Only Mario actually had the Cape, FLUDD, and the Super Jump Punch. They just ripped those of Mario and put them on Doc to give him a moveset.

Oh yeah, that Dr Mario with FLUDD was broken.

I would have liked Dr Mario as a costume change, at least.

 

[???????]

Ok, but if Dr. Mario kept his moveset from melee he would be a luigified clone (Most of moveset would be the same with a few differences, like Dr. Mario could tornado press with his down-b while Mario could use F.L.U.D.D. or something like that). He was pretty good in melee too; you can't discredit Dr. Mario if you play with Mario, afterall, they are the same person. But yah, too many clones as it is (Did we really need Wolf; two Fox clones is too many; ignore the irony of that comment).

*Nice posts everyone!*

 

[cHooKay]

Yeah umm, doc and mario are one in the same. Moreover, you can think of doc as a "Power-up" of mario (Wing Mario, Metal Mario, Fire mario, etc). It's just a costume. Personally I think they be wasting their time trying to Luigify a character that's already in the game, when they could easily place in another unique character into the game. The question we should be asking is why the heck did we not get Dr. Mario as an alternate costume in brawl. It would've worked. Its really lame that Wario is the only character with a true alternate costume, his fan base doesn't even compare to mario's for Wario being the only character with a true alt...

 

[SHUCKLE MAN]

Well, I mained Dr. Mario in Melee, so I'm pretty upset that he's not in Brawl, and anyone who has mained either of the Marios will know that they aren't that similar. I suck with Mario because I struggle with all those minor differences, since I don't expect them.

And I'm pretty sure that Dr. Mario was better than Mario in Melee. Why else do people call him the only competitively successful clone?

That aside, and in all honesty, I don't think Dr. Mario deserves a spot in Brawl, even though I really wish he got in.

 

[Smashruler]

Oh yeah, that Dr Mario with FLUDD was broken.

I would have liked Dr Mario as a costume change, at least.

Agreed. I don't think Dr.Mario was necessary even if Mario's down+b in FLUDD now but i would have been nice Mario had the doc as an alternate costume.

 

[Benedetto]

I think Dr. Mario should have been in. Mario and Doc's moves had different properties. I would definately have had at least a costume change for Doc.

 

[Kuzodav]

As much as I loved Dr. Mario is Melee, the only reason I did was his F-Air. Oh. My. God.
It's so much better that Mario's.
If Mario would've had that move, I think I would be set for the game's life.

 

[fazares]

in ssbb mario f-air is a kill move if u hit them while his punch is above the head....

 

[Famous]

I wish Mario fair recovery was faster, it would be a combo starter just like in melee. His bair makes up for it though, you can chain that with any move. I prefer using the fsmash

 

[fazares]

mario f-air recovery is faster....try using it as a spike a la ssbm....

 

[cHooKay]

pretty much mario inherited some of Dr. Mario's abilities. Fire balls have more trajectory and own a larger hitstun now which is pretty impressive, better than docs pills because it releases quicker and travels farther still, especially if you short hop or jump while using it. Up B not only recovers better, it also is more effective in attacking, breaking combos or interupting moves, and laying more hits, the last hit knocks the opponent pretty far and you can kill with it better all just like doc's or better than him. Even though mario's tilts and smashes really don't send opponents in the same direction like docs, have all have more priority and way better knockback like doc, especial ftilt, usmash, fsmash, even dtilt is better for combos. Mario's sweet spot issue with his fsmash is improved sort of like docs, and you can get effective hits with it better than before, knocks foes pretty far if you hit them on point of the fsmash. Cape is more narrow like docs and lets mario stall in the air still. Mario tornado in brawl ***** the doc tornado and mario tornado in melee, and is pretty a hybrid mix of the old dair and tornado with more priority (one of marios best moves). Bair is pretty quick and has the knockback ability of doc, great for combos. Marios fair (meteor smash) can hit either docs fair (fist above marios head) or marios fair (the downward animations). I got it to the point where my timing is pretty good, and I've been using the doc version of fair easily as well as the mario version of the fair. Needless to say, if you like doc and don't like mario in brawl, practice with mario more and more and make him like doc. Mario was made this way to compensate for docs absence.

 

[fazares]

ur analysis is good...the only thing i d notice is that dr.mario b-air isnt as powerful as ssbb mario b-air...trust me...

 

[David Mathis]

yeah, dr mario is definetly too much of a clone for brawl. id imagine they could of added him though, because they could of given him a whole new moveset or something. but still woiuld be a bit of a waste..

perhaps an assist trophy of dr mario lol

 

[launchpadmcqak13]

I agree with alot of you, Dr. Mario wasn't different enough to warrant another character. He definitely should have had an alternate costume range as Dr. Mario. Like most of you have said, they kinda melded the 2 together. Which is fine. Besides, they are the same person. Dr Mario isn't another guy. Same guy, different clothes.

Hurts me that the alt costume isn't the good Doctor.

Oh, and the only thing that I saw that was just wrong was that Dr Mario was the only clone that was competitive. Falco Anyone? One of the top in Melee.

 

[perfect007]

Do you think Dr. Mario should if been in? Why or why not?

*Personally I think he should of since he has a more unique moveset when compared to Mario in Brawl now*

YES.
I mained doc for SSBM and I was the best in my town. Not that my town is huge (80,000 ppl) but still. I'm really not saying that to brag. I'm sayin that hes different enough from Mario that I find I can barely play competitivly with Mario. Doc's pill >>>fireballz. Cape had different mechanics, the down B was actualy usefull (flood lewl)

Exactly 4 players from melee left brawl if my count is right. Pichu (duh), mewtwo(WAHT?), roy(eh) and Doc(WTF??!!!)

I lost my main to brawl. Not many ppl mained roy and so few could make pichu or mewtwo do anything well that it hurt the community. But Doc? He had a following.

At least make him an alternate outfit... please (I'm talkin to the ssbb gods taht aint listening.)

I'd pay hard cash to have doc back. Now i'm maining wolf instead.

 

[Ca$hoholic]

I dont think he should been in it. he was exactly like Mario, just that his side smash was a bit shocking, ehile his meteor smash, actually wasnt a meteor smash and sent them upwards -_-
i say no!

 

[LittleKey]

I say no. What's the point of having him in Brawl? He was so similar to Mario that it really wouldn't be worth it.

 

[wa-kingdom]

nay, his apperance would of been an insult, they shouldve included his outfit though

 

[Matador]

The question ended with cHooKay's post. Mario gained all of Doc's strengths and none of the weaknesses (aside from weaknesses that they both already shared). Think for a moment about Mario in contrast to Doc in Melee.

Mario can now Spike AND normally KO with his Fair. He can spike with his Up-B from under the stage even though only Doc could on melee. His Down smash and up smash are both reliable killing moves unlike Mario's on Melee. His Fireballs are now a combination of old fireball trajectory but pill spammability and hitstun. His recovery isn't God-awful anymore like Doc's used to be. Doc's utilt was useless next to Mario's which was a beautiful combo starter so Mario's remained. Mario's new Bair is much like his new Fair, it can serve both purposes depending on the trajectory at which you hit your opponent. Their ftilts were practically the same so there's no change there. And the Dtilt still is a worthless attack...

From the afore mentioned evidence you can easily see that Sakurai collaborated with Akira Toriyama and created fusion earrings for Doc and Mario.

 

[boss8]

you know if u think about it doctor mario.....is basically mario........just dressed as a doctor (duh!!!)

 

[SofaKingRetarded]

In melee I played dr.mario but I couldn't play mario so I was kind of mad when I heard he wasn't in brawl. But i tried mario in brawl and hes good, feels like dr.mario partly to =). So i don't really think dr.mario should have been in brawl, even though it would be cool to see what kind of moveset they'd give him.

 

[CodeytheRhino]

Gonna have to say no . I really don't like the new Mario, and I never use the FLUDD move. I more of a fan of the Mario tornado. If Dr. Mario had a move that was unique to him, then maybe it would've been ok.

 

[smashbro29]

well doc was only put in at the last second to beef up the roster and because sakurai liked dr mario music so maybe a costume then again "wario alone is special"

 

[Stimpy]

YES.
I mained doc for SSBM and I was the best in my town. Not that my town is huge (80,000 ppl) but still. I'm really not saying that to brag. I'm sayin that hes different enough from Mario that I find I can barely play competitivly with Mario. Doc's pill >>>fireballz. Cape had different mechanics, the down B was actualy usefull (flood lewl)

Exactly 4 players from melee left brawl if my count is right. Pichu (duh), mewtwo(WAHT?), roy(eh) and Doc(WTF??!!!)

I lost my main to brawl. Not many ppl mained roy and so few could make pichu or mewtwo do anything well that it hurt the community. But Doc? He had a following.

At least make him an alternate outfit... please (I'm talkin to the ssbb gods taht aint listening.)

I'd pay hard cash to have doc back. Now i'm maining wolf instead.

QFT. Doc will be missed.

 

[St. Viers]

no offense, but to all you sept 07 and on joiners...you never mained doc, so you don't know what using him was like.

I've used doc since late 01/early 02, and I was pretty upset when he wasn't in brawl. I've used mario, but I don't really like the brawl mario. I think that the FLUDD was an idea that could have been done better, and I dislike the duality of the f-air.

I'm not saying he isn't a great new character, but he isn't doc.

 

[SpitFire15]

Why would you want Doc in Brawl? Dr. Mario was just one of Mario's many occupations that was made to be an extra character slot. Mario has all of Doc's better traits combined with the ability he had in Melee, plus revisions made to his moveset to keep him fresh. Just because we still have two Links doesn't mean we need two Marios.

The thing that really pisses me off to no end is that Mario didn't get his doctor costume as an alternate. I mean, Mario is Nintendo's main mascot and he has had tons of professions. Plus people who love Mario get an alternate costume and people who miss Doc could play as him again (minus the Dr. part in his name). But instead, the only person who got an alternate costume was Wario. Wario isn't special, he's an obese, disgusting tool that nobody wants to use. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't see the logic in that at all.

 

[jmanxiv]

Dr. Mario died of overdose

 

[OnettSphere]

I would have enjoyed if they did use his doctor clothes in Brawl
and had a thing where his name changed to Dr. if you put on those clothes
Also, instead of a Fireball, they should have added pills for him to throw
Then they'd have to change his Final Smash also
But, I couldn't see him as a stand-alone character

 

[PraKirJaq]

I mained Doc, but still believe that he wasn't necessary; people complain about clones and Doc was the epitome of a clone. Alternate clothes would've been nice though.

 

[smashbro29]

no offense, but to all you sept 07 and on joiners...you never mained doc, so you don't know what using him was like.

I've used doc since late 01/early 02, and I was pretty upset when he wasn't in brawl. I've used mario, but I don't really like the brawl mario. I think that the FLUDD was an idea that could have been done better, and I dislike the duality of the f-air.

I'm not saying he isn't a great new character, but he isn't doc.

dude just because some people didn't sign on to swf before sep 07 doesn't mean they didn't play (like me) and i like regualar mario better in melee to be honest

 

[redgreenblue]

Why would you want Doc in Brawl? Dr. Mario was just one of Mario's many occupations that was made to be an extra character slot. Mario has all of Doc's better traits combined with the ability he had in Melee, plus revisions made to his moveset to keep him fresh. Just because we still have two Links doesn't mean we need two Marios.

The thing that really pisses me off to no end is that Mario didn't get his doctor costume as an alternate. I mean, Mario is Nintendo's main mascot and he has had tons of professions. Plus people who love Mario get an alternate costume and people who miss Doc could play as him again (minus the Dr. part in his name). But instead, the only person who got an alternate costume was Wario. Wario isn't special, he's an obese, disgusting tool that nobody wants to use. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't see the logic in that at all.

NO. WARIO ALONE IS SPECIAL.

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

No

I just don't care

But man, junior bowser in brawl would be awesome or krystal..

Darn it..

 

[perfect007]

no offense, but to all you sept 07 and on joiners...you never mained doc, so you don't know what using him was like.

I've used doc since late 01/early 02, and I was pretty upset when he wasn't in brawl. I've used mario, but I don't really like the brawl mario. I think that the FLUDD was an idea that could have been done better, and I dislike the duality of the f-air.

I'm not saying he isn't a great new character, but he isn't doc.

None taken but that March 2008 on my name followed by "Smash n00b" is only how this site recognizes me. I assume you were talkin to me when you made this comment. I've been playing consistently since the N64.

One last thing. I appricate the info on how to play Mario like the good dr, it cheered me up a little. But then I remembered that my nair used to kick **** and now it just kinda kicks shin. Then I get sad again.

I still beleive that Doc shoulda been in Brawl. At least we know he wouldnt have a squirt gun. Plus, I made his down B look good. It actually does have a few uses contrary to populer belief. Now when I try to recover I take out my squirt gun and die. Yay.

 

[St. Viers]

smashbro29: generally when you quote someone, you respond to their quote. I NEVER said that you people didn't play ssbm. I said you never mained doc. You didn't learn how to do "advanced techs with him," you didn't know how he played or anything.

In fact, by saying you liked mario better PROVES that you didn't main doc. Learn to read

Perfect007: my comment wasn't directed at any one person, just new-comers to the competitive scene (signing on to SWF being a big first step for many) who seem to think that they can talk when they simply don't have the same experience from melee as peopel who have been playing at a higher level longer <_<

And people who seem to think that beause mario assimilated some of docs traits that he's a replacement for us old time doc users... yeah some of his moves have Doc's properties, but his fireballs are not really like pills at all, docs tornado was pretty awesome (easiest to get a PTP, mashing the button at 8 imputs a second, as opposed to the 10/12 required for mario/doc).

However, as it's a new game, I'm not that upset that mario doesn't play like doc--the new dodge system and lack of comboing makes no character play like they were in melee.

 

[J0K3R]

Lack of comboing....are you serious?