Dr. Mario

[Deleted member]

People say that fireballs and the FLUDD would look weird on Doc.

Ganondorf using Captain falcon's moves doesn't look right either. I don't see how Doc using those abilities is that strange.

Ganondorf is capable of dark magic and great strength. Combine the two, and you get megaton punches and kicks of darkness.
It made more sense in Melee than Brawl considering Ganondorf became more of a swordsman and was portrayed as a brawler in OoT artwork.

Aside from that, Ganondorf is not using Captain Falcon's moves. He's using moves based off of Captain Falcon's (though if you want to get technical, they're not Falcon's either...). He isn't using the Falcon Punch, he's using Warlock Punch/Majinken (Demon Man Fist). He's not using Falcon Kick, he's using Wizard's Foot/Retsu Oni Ashi (Sorcerer Demon Kick). Etc.
Just like Dr. Mario is using moves based off of Mario's. Megavitamins instead of Fireballs, Super Sheet (which has no basis unless it's supposed to be a hospital bedsheet) instead of Cape, etc.

It would make less sense for Ganondorf to be throwing firey punches in the shape of a bird than it does him throwing punches fueled by dark magic. Just like it makes no sense for Dr. Mario to toss Fireballs (when no elements from the Mario series are featured in the Dr. Mario games aside from the characters) or use F.L.U.D.D. (or any logical equivelent for that matter; none exist).

 

[Guybrush20X6]

If Dr Mario returns I think he should keep the Dr. Tornado. He's supposed to be Mario with a different flavor so why not make it Cola Classic?

 

[ThatLunaticFeline]

If Dr Mario returns I think he should keep the Dr. Tornado. He's supposed to be Mario with a different flavor so why not make it Cola Classic?

Agreed, it's basically necessary to differentiate him from normal Mario and Luigi. It was also quite useful in throw combos.

 

[Deleted member]

I feel Dr. Tornado should be a last resort.
I mean, yes, it is different from plumber Mario now, but it's still something plumber Mario used to do.
I'd much rather something with more basis in the Dr. Mario franchise be incorporated if possible.

 

[ThatLunaticFeline]

I feel Dr. Tornado should be a last resort.
I mean, yes, it is different from plumber Mario now, but it's still something plumber Mario used to do.
I'd much rather something with more basis in the Dr. Mario franchise be incorporated if possible.

Uh... like what? Dr. Mario isn't a game really known for complex control schemes and crazy abilities. If anything, the current moveset is kinda accurate - you have to spin and flip the pills, just like you can do with the cape and Tornado.

 

[Wyoming]

Ironically enough Pac-Man's ghost attack is always something I imagined Dr. Mario doing with the viruses. Nice to see that idea implemented in some way.

 

[Deleted member]

Uh... like what? Dr. Mario isn't a game really known for complex control schemes and crazy abilities. If anything, the current moveset is kinda accurate - you have to spin and flip the pills, just like you can do with the cape and Tornado.

.......I don't even......

No incorporation of the viruses?
Nothing invoking the true puzzle aspect of the franchise such as matching colors and making increasingly rewarding complex combos?
No reference to how you actually attack opponents in multiplayer (impeding progress by dropping random colored half-capsules on their field or disorienting opponents by randomizing the colors of their L-Vitamins in Dr. Luigi)?
Not even going all out and make Dr. Mario a medical-based fighter like how C. Falcon was made into a Kamen Rider parody?

Just "oh, you spin pills in a clockwise or counter-clockwise pattern, so spinning around in a tornado and flipping people with a bedsheet is perfect"?
Ok, so where's Dr. Mario's ground slamming move since you can instantly drop a pill in place in the game?

 

[Dark Dude]

For those saying that Dr. Mario could just be an alternate costume for Mario, remember what Sakurai said about making Lucina her own character.

When two such similar characters function in an even slightly different manner, I give them a separate spot on the roster since that will affect battle records and whatnot.

 

[Scoob]

For those saying that Dr. Mario could just be an alternate costume for Mario, remember what Sakurai said about making Lucina her own character.

But Dr. Mario is still Mario. Aside from the pills, the differences are purely aesthetic. Sure, his moves worked a little differently in Melee, but he could just as well be a costume. There is no reason for Dr. Mario to be a separate character at all.

 

[Deleted member]

But Dr. Mario is still Mario. Aside from the pills, the differences are purely aesthetic. Sure, his moves worked a little differently in Melee, but he could just as well be a costume. There is no reason for Dr. Mario to be a separate character at all.

....I'm not even going to bother....

 

[Dark Dude]

But Dr. Mario is still Mario. Aside from the pills, the differences are purely aesthetic. Sure, his moves worked a little differently in Melee, but he could just as well be a costume. There is no reason for Dr. Mario to be a separate character at all.

Zero Suit Samus is still Samus, yet she has been separated into two characters. Sheik is still Zelda, yet she has been separated into two characters. So your reasoning for Dr. Mario still being Mario does not mean anything.
Lucina's moves work a little differently than Marth's and so Lucina is her own character. So according to Sakurai's logic, being slightly different is enough to be their own character and Sakurai is the one making the game.
Dr. Mario has been a separate character before, so clearly Sakurai has made the decision in the past that there is reason for Dr. Mario to be his own character.

What say you?

 

[Curious Villager]

There's more to the Pill's than just "aesthetic differences" from Mario's fireballs. Golden explained it perfectly about a page or so ago. And then there is other stuff such as Dr. Mario's thunder hand and whatnot.

 

[Skyfox2000]

Check out this new leak. All of sudden i want Dr. Mario to return.

 

[Jigglymaster]

I personally think he would be granted his own character slot, after all his Pills worked differently than the fireballs. Something tells me Lucina won't be the only character to retrieve the "I'm slightly different so I get my own spot" treatment.

 

[Pokesamus217]

I personally think he would be granted his own character slot, after all his Pills worked differently than the fireballs. Something tells me Lucina won't be the only character to retrieve the "I'm slightly different so I get my own spot" treatment.

Wasn't that because that a character was cut and they had to fill the void and Lucina was the most appropriate?

 

[Dark Dude]

Wasn't that because that a character was cut and they had to fill the void and Lucina was the most appropriate?

That's based off a translated interview, that quite frankly, I'm not so sure about the accuracy of the translation. Especially since he said

When two such similar characters function in an even slightly different manner, I give them a separate spot on the roster since that will affect battle records and whatnot.

That kind of contradicts the other statement.

 

[ShrekItRalph]

Wasn't that because that a character was cut and they had to fill the void and Lucina was the most appropriate?

It was a mistranslation.

 

[Crawful]

As a Doctor Mario main in Melee, I have to say I'm happy to see a chance of him returning. His art in the leak looks very good, and different enough from any official artwork to think that this may be another thing pointing to his inclusion.
It's nice to see him. He'll probably be my secondary behind the G-Dubs and Pac-Man.

 

[Jigglymaster]

Wasn't that because that a character was cut and they had to fill the void and Lucina was the most appropriate?

No, this isn't about Doc so I'll keep it brief. Chrom was replaced by Robin, NOT Lucina. Lucina was added because they had time, and she got upgraded from Alt skin to full character. They might've had time to add other characters like this.

 

[MachoCheeze]

For anyone doubting Dr. Mario, you guys got to remember that Sakurai doesn't have to design the roster around SSE anymore.

Plus, Sakurai explained that even if the costume has a tiny difference, it becomes its own character slot. Even if its literally just pills that are the difference, that changes the match up by say... Olimar. Red Pikmin unaffected by Fireballs, but are damaged by MegaVitamins.

 

[Wegenbarth]

The amount of Dr Mario hate everywhere is terrying.
It's not like he stole Ridley's rosterspot or something -.- (not being sarcastic)

 

[Spinosaurus]

they just dont know that doc is best melee vet

 

[Deleted member]

I would be ecstatic if this leak ended up being true (provided that it's also true that there are more characters yet to be shown) because of Doc.

 

[Scoob]

Zero Suit Samus is still Samus, yet she has been separated into two characters. Sheik is still Zelda, yet she has been separated into two characters. So your reasoning for Dr. Mario still being Mario does not mean anything.
Lucina's moves work a little differently than Marth's and so Lucina is her own character. So according to Sakurai's logic, being slightly different is enough to be their own character and Sakurai is the one making the game.
Dr. Mario has been a separate character before, so clearly Sakurai has made the decision in the past that there is reason for Dr. Mario to be his own character.

What say you?

Zero suit Samus and Samus have completely different moves, weapons, properties, and playstyles. The same is true of Zelda and Sheik. While doctor Mario could possibly have electricity in his moves, or throw pills, he could also just be Mario in a doctor outfit.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I would be ecstatic if this leak ended up being true (provided that it's also true that there are more characters yet to be shown) because of Doc.

Doc is the reason why I want it to be true

pls be true i want my melee main back ;_;

 

[99thSmashFan]

I hope he comes back with a new unique moveset, not just copy and paste plus different stats.

 

[Megamaw]

I feel the most vital moves to keep on Doc are his Down Smash, his forward smash, his side-B, his Megavitamins, and his f-air.

What do you guys feel the dev team should keep from Melee's Doc?

 

[Dark Dude]

Zero suit Samus and Samus have completely different moves, weapons, properties, and playstyles. The same is true of Zelda and Sheik. While doctor Mario could possibly have electricity in his moves, or throw pills, he could also just be Mario in a doctor outfit.

No, he couldn't. It would be like making a Daisy alt for Peach. You can pretend like you're playing as Daisy, but it's really still Peach. And Dr. Mario has different properties, weapons and playstyle than Mario (different moves are more or less effective than Mario) so Dr. Mario has 3 out of the 4 things that you think are needed to make them a separate character.
Dr. Mario is as different from Mario as Falco was from Fox in melee. They could always do like they did for Falco in Brawl and differentiate Dr. Mario more from Mario by changing his moves more.

 

[Jdaster64]

Even if it's just Melee Doc we get, I'm totally okay with him being in the SSB4 roster if the leak does end up being legit. The Mario Bros. both look pretty solid this time around, and a harder-hitting Mario without (hopefully) FLUDD sounds nothing but awesome. That's not to say he can't be differentiated, but I don't see it being very likely after hearing the details about Lucina.

Regardless, if he's done decently at all, I imagine Dr. Mario'll be adequate consolation for me if Lucas doesn't make the cut this time around.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

I for one, welcome back my Melee main "Dr. X". Its not the best, but sure as hell its not the worst (that would be Mr. goth angel kid next to him).

 

[TTTTTsd]

I would like Doc back simply because he would be a DOSE of Old Mario, if you will.

Doctor Tornado for life. Also I have succumbed to the evil greed of wanting a clone character to come back simply because I like puzzle games and am a selfish horrible being. I am willing to accept this.

 

[4cast]

How about Doc having a Stethoscope Grab and Syringe Pummel?

 

[HotelWaffle]

I also want him back.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The Dr. Mario games are critically acclaimed is one of the best puzzle games from Nintendo. It was a huge mistake to remove Dr. Mario from Brawl, and I'm extremely happy he's back! I just hope he gets a refined moveset.

 

[4cast]

The Dr. Mario games are critically acclaimed is one of the best puzzle games from Nintendo. It was a huge mistake to remove Dr. Mario from Brawl, and I'm extremely happy he's back! I just hope he gets a refined moveset.

When Did Doc get Confirmed?

 

[thelastreplicant]

I really hope this leak is real because Doc is my favorite Melee vet that got cut. If he's back I will be ecstatic.

 

[4cast]

I really hope this leak is real because Doc is my favorite Melee vet that got cut. If he's back I will be ecstatic.

Could not agree more

 

[Wyoming]

I want Doc back but sorry I couldn't accept his return if Wolf, Lucas and Ice Climbers got removed.

There is no reason to get rid of those three. I can understand Snake since it probably is a complicated process to get him on-board, and Squirtle and Ivysaur are made somewhat redundant with Pokémon Trainer gone, but those three?

But like I said before I heavily doubt the leak is real. Doc coming back would be great but not at the hefty price that 'leak' is wanting.

 

[4cast]

I want Doc back but sorry I couldn't accept his return if Wolf, Lucas and Ice Climbers got removed.

There is no reason to get rid of those three. I can understand Snake since it probably is a complicated process to get him on-board, and Squirtle and Ivysaur are made somewhat redundant with Pokémon Trainer gone, but those three?

But like I said before I doubt the leak is real. Doc coming back would be great but not at the hefty price that 'leak' is wanting.

It Said those guys are DLC

 

[Scoob]

No, he couldn't. It would be like making a Daisy alt for Peach. You can pretend like you're playing as Daisy, but it's really still Peach. And Dr. Mario has different properties, weapons and playstyle than Mario (different moves are more or less effective than Mario) so Dr. Mario has 3 out of the 4 things that you think are needed to make them a separate character.
Dr. Mario is as different from Mario as Falco was from Fox in melee. They could always do like they did for Falco in Brawl and differentiate Dr. Mario more from Mario by changing his moves more.

But if we're speaking realistically, he is literally still just Mario in a different outfit. He is not like Falco and Daisy, they are completely separate characters with different names, voices, personalities, appearances, etc. Yes, he is different, but in very few ways, more like Link and Young Link. To me, the ideal is a Mario who has the best of both combined, because they are more like palette swaps than different characters.

Regardless, after this leak surfaced, it seems likely that the good Doctor will be in the game in some form of another, as most had thought ever since alternate costumes were unveiled. He may be given the Lucina treatment, and why not? It's not as if he'd e "stealing" someone else's "slot" on the roster. If they have extra time to develop him, why the hell not? But, he could just be a costume for Mario, and that would please most people before this leak came out, because that's really all he is. Now, it seems he has a shot at being a full character, so if he is just a costume, people will be disappointed. Whatever happens, it doesn't really matter to me, but he'll be in it somewhere.