"Dragonic Reverse" -- Yoshi Can Wavedash!

[Airborne]

That's so gross, though. I can't change my ways, as I've been playing the Smash series way too often for way too long. The only reason I was able to change R to Attack is because I've never touched the R button otherwise.

Hey, it's the easiest method to DR, as well as the best method to apply it. I've been playing with the same setup like everyone else for as long as everyone else, until I changed to Y-B-C-stick last summer. It's understandable if you're only using Yoshi for just a period of time, but we've had die-hard Yoshi mains just completely avoid the technique because it's "too hard" or "I don't see the potential in it because I'm too single-minded to think about how it should/would/could be applied." (I did have trouble seeing the potential in this technique, despite how vigilant I was at becoming consistent with it, until Scatz finally explained it to me.)

And the sad part about it is that we, the ones who use DR, mainly Scatz though, has/have attempted to throw everything out there so that people will actually pick this technique up and apply it. Alas, these boards are too stubborn and too lazy to do so. That's why I'm glad you're here to help us out.

I have to mention one thing though: several of us have turned tap jump off for the sake of us not accidentally using our double jump when we are egg tossing back to stage.

 

[Depster]

I have to mention one thing though: several of us have turned tap jump off for the sake of us not accidentally using our double jump when we are egg tossing back to stage.

Most important part of Yoshi controls

 

[Yikarur]

If he uses tap jump that means that he uses tap jump since years, not need to try to convince him for other controls. It's perfectly fine how he does it. (It's the easiest way to DR imo)

 

[tarextherex]

^I'm in the same boat, though it's not really obvious to add direction to DR when you use it with tap jump, anyone got tips on doing that?

 

[Silent Beast]

Tap diagonally.

 

[Airborne]

I think I'm going to actually test out DRing with TJ real quick since I could never find the timing back in the day (and I hate TJ b/c of Yoshi >___<).

 

[Chaco]

DRing is definitely easest with tap, with that being said though you compromise your offstage game for a technique that has an element of surprise, and once it wears off you've got nothing.

 

[MX778]

Actually, I can do it the basic way pretty consistent now.
X,X,A.

 

[Yikarur]

DRing is definitely easest with tap, with that being said though you compromise your offstage game for a technique that has an element of surprise, and once it wears off you've got nothing.

DR isn't a surprise technique, it's a movement technique which gives us more options in a lot situations.

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

I still think YBC is the easiest way. It makes me feel like i dont have to commit to w/e i was thinking of doing after the DR

 

[Airborne]

I still think YBC is the easiest way. It makes me feel like i dont have to commit to w/e i was thinking of doing after the DR

I agree. YBC is just a simple flick of the thumb, whereas XXA and YYA require you to press the same button twice in a matter of 6 frames or so. Tap Jump could prove to work just as well, but there is still a higher possibility of screwing up your recovery with this setup than with others.

Besides, I doubt y'all could do the DR moonwalk without YBC. Respect our

Spoiler

pointless

shine. =P

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

DR MOOONWAAAAALK <33333 lmao word, that would be a ***** and a half without YBC

 

[Chaco]

DR isn't a surprise technique, it's a movement technique which gives us more options in a lot situations.

Be that as it may, it still has a surprise effect due to it's limited use.

 

[bigman40]

It makes no sense to say DR is a surprise technique alone. It's just like it's counterpart in melee: To position oneself in a placement where it places the opponent in a bad position, or to be used to bait a certain reaction.

The lack of use is the reason why it's surprising to people, and even then, it still has it's uses and is not limited in such a way as you describe it.


BTW, long time no see.

 

[Airborne]

It makes no sense to say DR is a surprise technique alone. It's just like it's counterpart in melee: To position oneself in a placement where it places the opponent in a bad position, or to be used to bait a certain reaction.

The lack of use is the reason why it's surprising to people, and even then, it still has it's uses and is not limited in such a way as you describe it.


BTW, long time no see.

DR makes us the kings of footsies in Smash. : D

Also, loving how we're getting Scatz to start posting again without thinking. >: D

 

[bigman40]

I'm posting again because I have nothing to do. Trying to get a job to fix that though. Hearing so much incorrect information makes me rage half the time though.

 

[Z'zgashi]

DR MOOONWAAAAALK <33333 lmao word, that would be a ***** and a half without YBC

lol I tried that, I failed epicly

 

[Airborne]

lol I tried that, I failed epicly

But you don't know what the DR moonwalk is when we've never even explained it on the boards. D:

 

[Z'zgashi]

DR left, turn right, DR left, turn right, shower, rinse, repeat?

 

[Airborne]

Nope. Dash one direction, cancel with DR back, but buffer a dash in same direction that you intially dashed. It basically looks like Yoshi is dashing backwards (and I think there might be a better dance move to call it, but Celes and I called it the DR Moonwalk in honor of the Melee days).

I'll probably post my whole list of DR taunts sometime down the road so y'all can be stylin'. XD

 

[Z'zgashi]

Oh then whatever I was attempting to do I utterly failed at.

 

[seven7xenon]

Everybody is talking about the Y-B-C technique but just to make sure, you hit all those buttons with you thumb right, i.e. you don't claw or anything?

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

Yes, you take your thumb and slide it down from Y > B > C. Do it fast.
If you short hop Aerial you missed a jump, if you DJ aerial you did it too slow, if you Double jump you did it too slow or missed the cstick. If you just short hop uhhh idk what happened there.

 

[seven7xenon]

Thanks =), if you just short hop i'm guessing you either pressed the jump buttons too fast and missed the c - stick, or just flat out missed a jump and the c-stick. I've never done that anyway.

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

Anytime, stick with it

 

[Abel1994]

The second video blew my mind

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

The second video blew my mind

Uhhh What? lol

 

[OnlyUseMeNades]

Yes, you take your thumb and slide it down from Y > B > C. Do it fast.
If you short hop Aerial you missed a jump, if you DJ aerial you did it too slow, if you Double jump you did it too slow or missed the cstick. If you just short hop uhhh idk what happened there.

So if I DJ aerial, I didn't input the aerial soon enough?

EDIT:

So I think it did it, I inputted the buttons and didn't leave the ground. Is that it? And then how do I dot he slide?

 

[Silent Beast]

So if I DJ aerial, I didn't input the aerial soon enough?

EDIT:

So I think it did it, I inputted the buttons and didn't leave the ground. Is that it? And then how do I dot he slide?

Sounds like it. Does he make a quick movement, where he's starting his jump but then immediately stops and stays grounded?

To slide, just input a direction as you jump. I think it helps if you think in terms of how you input (double) jumps in a direction. To DR forward, jump forward, then immediately DJ aerial to cancel the jump, keeping only the forward momentum. Same for DRing backwards.

 

[OnlyUseMeNades]

Thanks, and when do I input the attack I want to do out of the DR?

 

[Delta-cod]

After you finish the DR.

 

[OnlyUseMeNades]

YBC is the easiest way for me to do it, but it screws with the rest of my controller

What do you use for special? Right now I'm using X, which is usually my jump button. I keep SD'ing -_-'

 

[Delta-cod]

X as special is the standard when using YBC. It's a little hard at first, but once you play around with it for a while it'll just become muscle memory, and there won't be any problems. I perfected it in about a day of playing.

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

Dude X special is so good. Its actually to me more convenient than b. I can't even use default anymore lol but yep sounds like you have DR down.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I have to play about 5 mins to transition back and forth between X and B. I can't change controls for melee so I have to change around.

 

[bigman40]

Just remember how they look physically and muscle memory brawl/melee. I can change between them fairly fluently as long as I remember what I'm playing. I still can't play the same character as much though.

 

[OnlyUseMeNades]

I have another question.

I can do it with YBC some of the time, but it messes with my characters and other smash games too. I can't give up that for a (albeit important) tech for my secondary.

So I'm going to try and use tap jump (suicides here I come), and I'm trying to find a good method.

Right now I'm trying X/Y + Tap Jump + Cstick

Any other ideas?

 

[bigman40]

What is your secondary?

 

[CelestialMarauder~]

Yoshi's his secondary. Dude just learn to play with 2 different controller sets. Its not that hard. Just remember that its different when you pick Yoshi. I mean if you're sure that you can't do it any other way, just tapjump > Y A. Its the second easiest way.

 

[OnlyUseMeNades]

Thanks

And I realize I may have sounded a bit... whiny? with that.

I didn't mean it like that, I'll try the two setups thing