Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
ROTFLOL
we need more of this happening.
stirring up what people think of fox.
and breaking the current thought pattern of other smashers.
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Fox Discussion Thread
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we need more of this happening.
stirring up what people think of fox.
and breaking the current thought pattern of other smashers.
NinjaFoxX
Banned via Warnings
Fox mains inicluding myself have been doing this scince early december in vegas ;P and the "this isint melee" thing is lol in the middle of a match
i expect Fox/Yosh going up as long as we can keep a steady game.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
I'm glad there is still some hope, I just don't believe Bowser is a better character than us. I mean I've played some good Bowsers, but other Foxes are still harder for me to beat.
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
this sounds like the lucas boards complaining about Mario>Lucas and Ness=Lucas.
also the peaches had the same complaint when Bowesr was above them.
i guess no one wants bowser in front of them.
also the peaches had the same complaint when Bowesr was above them.
i guess no one wants bowser in front of them.
NeverKnowsBest
Monochrome Like A Panda
Agreed.
Bowser is quite amazing. He is better than most people give him credit for. Grab releasing is really awesome to do, his jabs are superb, and the Koopa Klaw is a really cool and effective move.
Being higher on a tier list doesn't necessarily mean they are better than the character above them, it's more like they are just having better tourney results. Unless you're Meta Knight and none of this applies.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
No, I don't quite think Bowser has a better metagame then Fox. He does have some great moves, but he's just not reliable enough for me. Bowsercides are easy to avoid for the most part, and big damage racker he has is the flame. His jab is pretty good, but he just can't combo. Although he doesn't really need it he can't smash like DK can.
Toronto Joe
Smash Master
Bowsers release grab,power and weight is what me thinks made him go there
Conviction
Human Nature
Lol now you're mini avi is bowser T.Joe?
Well I still think Fox outplays bowser.
Well I still think Fox outplays bowser.
§witch
Smash Lord
GR dtilt is amazing too.
Actually, that pretty much is what it means to be higher on the tier list.
Since a character higher on the tier list is more likely to win a tournament at the highest level of play, It's pretty much a tautology that that character is better than one lower than it, as this seems to pretty much match the applicable definition of "better"
Rohan
Smash Apprentice
the only reason fox went down so much on the tier list is because he has no approaches. if u try to dair u get punished if ur playing someone good. i do believe fox should be at least 20 on the tier list but no one plays fox. there are no big representatives for fox. The characters that went up on the tier are due to people that play them very well like zss went up about 5 spots because of snakee. dont give up hope now we can just pwn with a lower tier.
Toronto Joe
Smash Master
my thing has always been Bowser haha, its for teh Gimpy
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
i hear there are other Zamus running around not just snake. and then theres Foxs matchups........
Rohan
Smash Apprentice
true fox doesn't really have good match ups but he does have a lot of evens with high/god tier ppl like snake, and rob. it makes him a good cp but not a very good main. although i believe the match up thread is a little ridiculous. they put things out of proportion.
NinjaFoxX
Banned via Warnings
hes a great main, just make sure you have more than one
Yoshi covers Fox who covers ICs who covers Yoshi. a 133t trio indeed.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Lol, Bowser's gimmicks just still don't do it for me. I understand what people have been saying about him. But if it's a good Fox he's going to eventually approach.
MyCurse4Life
Smash Ace
Fox air attacks are awesome!!!
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
i <3 Foxs Fair to death though. that move is so the life savor.
NinjaFoxX
Banned via Warnings
rising fairs, YOU MUST RECOVER!
<3
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Lol I've seen Fox do some amazing recoveries with his ROFL copter, even more so with a green shell in hand. 
Dxkid
Smash Apprentice
Fox is a great character in Melee he was like the new Satan
Now in Brawl hes still great Tiers dont affect how i play
I use the whole roster n i say Fox should be in the top 10 of best characters
Now in Brawl hes still great Tiers dont affect how i play
I use the whole roster n i say Fox should be in the top 10 of best characters
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Fox seems really fluid, and can just be so deadly...
Dxkid
Smash Apprentice
FOX FTW
I just wish the Falco user(not inculuding me) can see Fox is better the have a laser,Kicking Reflecter,n Hops WTF Nintendo
I just wish the Falco user(not inculuding me) can see Fox is better the have a laser,Kicking Reflecter,n Hops WTF Nintendo
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
Pika and a few other characters make Fox life miserable though
Dxkid
Smash Apprentice
True
But there is always a weekness in a character but that my opinion :/
But there is always a weekness in a character but that my opinion :/
Dxkid
Smash Apprentice
No I Dont use MK not unless im facin spammers to me MK is the easy way out
Conviction
Human Nature
Lol Zhamy Mk's weakness is being light.
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
i think thats MK's original purpose anyway.
but yeah some do, but what some characters can do to Fox........ coughcoughpikashiekcoughcough just makes you wanna cry. its kinda like JP vs G@W. its. just. not. fun.
Conviction
Human Nature
Fix'd it for ya bud,i think thats MK's original purpose anyway.
but yeah some do, but what some characters can do to Fox........ coughcoughpikashiekcoughcough just makes you wanna cry. its kinda like Ganon vs Shiek. its. just. not. fun.
Dxkid
Smash Apprentice
But Remember that at least every character has a weakness
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
thats just a character flaw which isn't even that big a deal since hes a shorty. and hes not really that light.
also ganon vs sheik is bad, but not as bad as JP vs G@W imo. cause G@W has Bair and sheik doesn't have that on ganon. also it takes a long time to kill ganon as sheik. while G@W can kill JP very very early. you can even cp him w/ a stage. its just that cruel.
yeah most characters have an expoitable weakness but if they shut down your characters strenghts in the process they might as well not have a weakness. such as MK.
Conviction
Human Nature
Ganon board says: vs. Shiek 5:95 Shiek's Favor.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Lololololol that's worse than us VS Pika.
Conviction
Human Nature
I fell on the floor laughing when I read that match-up from them.
Dxkid
Smash Apprentice
Ganon ***** sheik lol
Conviction
Human Nature
You are wrong in so many ways.... read the ganon boards match-up thread before posting stuff like this. THIS match-up ratio comes from the Best Ganons vs. Best Shieks and the ratio 5:95. Thank you very much.
EDIT: Here read this mister Ganon ***** Shiek.
Straight from the ganon boards
[b.] Sheik
Match-Up Ratio
05- 95 in Sheik's favor.
Gerudo Effectiveness - Hard to do
Possible Gerudo follow ups:
1.) Gerudo > DTilt
Gerudo > Jab is possible if the Sheik tries to move itself forward.
The Stage(s)
Approach/Defense Options - Near Useless
A sheik with a stock/damage advantage can pull out a chain under a platform and make it IMPOSSIBLE for Ganondorf to approach through it.
Sheik's F-tilt -> U-smash does like 70% off the bat.
She gimps you waaaaaaay too easily.
She really doesn't have any trouble KOing Ganon....since he really doesn't have any good counters to her moveset.
Sheik can needle camp all day to GET that advantage. Needles wreck Ganon's approach too.
Aerial Options - Hard to do
One thing aGnon can do is dair. Sheik cannot juggle Ganondorf as well as she could because his dair stops her aerial approach (namely uair and poorly spaced aerials). but then again, approaching with rar'd bair and fair works so lol nice try come again
Our recovery (side b and up b) is predictable, Sheik's bair goes through both if timed right, fair can connect before Ganon can start up b (essentially stock right thererning to the stag).
Building up Damage - Hard to do
Stomps don't work as approaches, nor do gerudos. So basically, we'll have to find that major laggy predicatble moment where Sheik makes a mistake (highly unlikely), punish her with a Gerudo > Dtilt > A possible Aerial.
Dealing with projectiles - Moderate
Sheik can needle camp all day to GET that advantage. Needles wreck Ganon's approach too. Shielding could block them.
Stomp - Near Useless
Stomp could be used defensively here, as in any other match-up. But approaching with stomps..is almost useless.
Edge Guarding -
Spike - Hard to do
You might be able to land a few spikes, if she tether recovers, find the distance she'll hang and spike her from their.
Tip Man - Hard to do
If you get her while she's recovering with her tether, you''ll be able land a couple of Tip mans, it's still going to be hard to do though.
Vanish Glide
Sheik's faviorte KO Move, and it should be indeed. KO's at exteremely low percentages, near the edge, has good range and is supringly fast.
Sheik's Chain
It can lock us, trap us, gimp us, what more? DTilt nor any other of Ganondorf's moves outranges it.
Though, UpTilt possibly would, but Sheik could punish us severely due to UPtilt's start-up time.
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UTilt doesn't outrange the chain ? And the aerial wizkick doesn't outprioritizes it?
Sorry but I can stand people who don't know what they are talking about when already been proved wrong.
Dxkid
Smash Apprentice
Once again i fail
But that was from my experience fighting Great Ganons with Sheik :/
Let the flame begin >_>
But that was from my experience fighting Great Ganons with Sheik :/
Let the flame begin >_>
Sheik can sit under a platform on Battlefield if she's ahead by any amount and chain camp Ganon for 7 minutes.
She can also ftilt him for eternity and can duck under the majority of his moves.
Or if I wanted I could just needle camp him and then dsmash>edgeguard.
It's probably the most one-sided matchup in the game.
She can also ftilt him for eternity and can duck under the majority of his moves.
Or if I wanted I could just needle camp him and then dsmash>edgeguard.
It's probably the most one-sided matchup in the game.
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