Friends that nerdrage

[Kanelol]

So I live in the suburban hell of Ohio, and I have one friend that plays Melee on anywhere near a competitive level. I only get to play with him once or twice a week, and I usually (well, always) stomp his ****.

So today he came over and we were doing our little thing, and after I shine spiked 3 times in a row, he set the new rule of: "Fox is gay, play something else."

I was like, ok whatever, and started playing Doc. Having never played Doc before, it took me a few games to figure out what I was doing. Then I learned what a Kobe was. Slowly but surely, I started climbing back up to being undefeatable. (Because that's a word.)

Finally, after a rather intense game where he almost made a 2-stock comeback, I drop a Shffl'd Kobe on him at ~120%, he dies, jumps up and says "You ruin every fun game ever made by people for other people to have fun playing." Then went to sleep on my couch. Sure, he was joking, but he stopped playing just the same.

So now that you've read my story, the question I wanted to ask all you wonderful people: When playing against people that are obviously worse, do you ever find yourself going easy on them? Like really really easy? I can't imagine having fun if I wasn't trying my hardest, but if trying my hardest means not having anyone to play with..

 

[Jonas]

People who don't play competitively just aren't fun to play with if you yourself are playing competitively. If you "go easy on them", you're just entertaining them and not yourself. Maybe you could give him a few pointers, try to teach him how to get better?

 

[Zodiac]

I go easy on them whenever Its someone that throws controllers and stuff, except if its in a tournament, then I dont care

 

[Faithkeeper]

I think of it as tech skill practice with a cpu that's a little smarter. You can work on DI, baiting, and edge guarding with this cpu as well. (or at least not getting edge guarded... only some newbies try to sweetspot the ledge.)

 

[strawhats]

I have that same problem...my friend just says thathe doesnt see the point of the game, and prefers playing Brawl becausehe can actually see the characters and not flashing images of light, with how fast I move (He hates the fact that I mov so fast that the camera is always shifting) He gets sick just looking at the screen, "Im getting a headache looking at you wavedashing and ****".

Buthurt is buthurt. LOL

 

[xbombr]

Just play random characters. You'd be surprised what you can learn by playing different characters a lot. You might even find yourself liking their playstyle and picking them up as a secondary or something.

I wouldn't go easy on anyone though. They'll never get better if you do. You'll give them misconceptions that certain things work, when in reality they don't.

 

[t3h Icy]

I like to use Sheik or Jigglypuff and just run away until they get aggressive enough to chase me around the edge. Then I gimp them.

It's such silly fun. =)

 

[Vanitas]

just use THEIR character and do a ditto with them, he cant complain if (insert character name here) is gay since he is using that character himself
otherwise, find better people to play against?

 

[Charlesz]

I mad. Nerdrage happen a lot

 

[ru5514n]

Eventually, you'll have to tell him "no johns.''

 

[Uffe]

People who don't play competitively just aren't fun to play with if you yourself are playing competitively. If you "go easy on them", you're just entertaining them and not yourself. Maybe you could give him a few pointers, try to teach him how to get better?

I wouldn't go easy on the guy, but like what Jonas said, give them some tips on how to do better. I'm not very good at Melee with the techniques, but the number of people I've recently come across talked trash and ended up getting two and three stocked left and right and then just gave up by johning. They're just casual players and I didn't give them room to breathe, whether or not they know how to play the game or not. You don't learn through fighting an easy opponent, you learn through playing a difficult one. In other words, tell him to learn from his mistakes.

 

[slartibartfast42]

Befriend non-scrubs. Where do you live in ohio? Maybe I can direct you to some XD

 

[DTR]

^ what he said. i live in ohio and i would gladly play you

 

[Kanelol]

Waynesville. Sad little suburban area south of Dayton. Like 3 hours from Columbus.

 

[LLDL]

Happens to me alot, if i go to hard on them they think they suck and stop playing. I don't like playing with people who aren't dedicated and/or care about losing.

 

[marklar2]

My friend has smashed 2 controllers, a Guitar Hero drumset, a table, and punched a hole in his wall from losing to me.

Yeah.

 

[Tichinde925]

Well this guy has it worst:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDHUo6bTh3M

I like the end comment he says in the video.

 

[Xposure]

My friend has smashed 2 controllers, a Guitar Hero drumset, a table, and punched a hole in his wall from losing to me.

Yeah.

Wow. :\ Those GH Drumsets aren't cheap. You at least make him repay? (If they were yours)

 

[Ciro67]

i always **** my friends. they call me "cheap" and say I'm crap at the game because all I do is spam the same move rofl. excuses, excuses, excuses...

 

[keeper]

Your friend doesn't sound like nearly as close of a ***** as me or my friend that ragequits all the time (he did a match reset once and just walked out of my house).

 

[TheManaLord]

Some people don't have what it takes. If they're not good at melee now, they never will be.

 

[4% APR]

Waynesville. Sad little suburban area south of Dayton. Like 3 hours from Columbus.

ouch haha. It couldnt be much worse of a spot for melee in ohio. I think para and reside live in dayton though

 

[victra♥]

I have a few friends who get upset and stuff. I don't recall anyone nerdraging though.

 

[LLDL]

I finally did it boi

 

[Sixonesix]

What you guys need to remember is that getting 3-4 stocked repeatedly is really frustrating. It doesn't matter how dedicated you are toward the game or if you understand already that you were never that good to begin with, it still hurts when no matter what you do or which character you choose you still get destroyed over and over again. I love Melee and I'm determined to get good at it, but at my first tournament, after I had gone like 20 games in a row without coming close to winning, I actually found myself thinking "this is stupid, why am I even into such an old game? I should go back to playing Brawl, at least in Brawl I could never get owned this badly" (which is why I'll never fault anyone for actually deciding to quit playing Melee when in the same situation).
Anyway, what I'm saying is occasionally you need to throw them a bone. I'm not saying do it all the time, because they'll never learn that way, but do it enough to encourage them (and if they get in your face after they win, have no mercy). Unless they're really trying to, they won't get anything out of just being owned over and over again except knowing not to play you anymore.

 

[DFEAR]

its funny when ppl who play smash for fun throw ur controller for edge hoggin them :\

 

[Stev]

Just tell him what he's doing wrong so he doesn't make the same mistakes over and over

 

[slartibartfast42]

Waynesville. Sad little suburban area south of Dayton. Like 3 hours from Columbus.

ouch haha. It couldnt be much worse of a spot for melee in ohio. I think para and reside live in dayton though

That is a pretty bad place to be. I live near 4% which is the most awesome place in Ohio to live besides maybe Columbus, Avon, or Cleveland.

BTW you should go to this, it's big and will actually be pretty close to you:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=261409

 

[Masmasher@]

you friend is acting like a scrub.
invisible rules that shouldnt be implemented.
smash is like lil wayne mixtape title
no ceilings.

i wish i could play smash...

 

[The Star King]

Why are you guys friends with these kinds of people?

Then again, I'm a massive elitist snob >_>

 

[xbombr]

If they're not good at melee now, they never will be.

I don't agree. People can always improve, it just takes the right mindset and a good variety of experiences.

If they're so shortsighted that they don't look for holes and mistakes in their game, then they will remain where they are indefinitely. If they were to become serious and actually adopt the proper mindset, then they could improve.

Whether they're willing to do that or not is the barrier of if they will ever be good, not the time in the metagame cycle.

 

[Infinitora]

As someone who recently started to progress in smash I can vouch that it's entirely demoralizing to have someone sit there and just brutally wreck you over and over for hours. You say this is how you learn, but during those sessions I learned absolutely nothing. I sat there, unable to move for stocks as a time as a fox or falco annihilated my captain falcon. Completely helpless, 0 results. I learned not one thing from it. When this same person sandbagged to being a bit better than me and gave me some tips of things to try or not, I improved at an extremely rapid rate. I actually had to stop and say, SO, what can I do here aside from just getting destroyed over and over? And he was like oh, ****, and started helping me XD. While I never nerd raged, I've found myself getting frustrated over situations like that. I'm audible, but not in an angry way if that makes sense. I couldn't disagree more with all the posts saying **** THEM HARD AS YOU CAN ONLY WAY TO LEARN. Bull****. HELP them, play better, but don't throw matches. We newbies expect to lose. But help us improve if you play with us. Why else would you? Not like we're a challenge.

 

[dudutsai]

If your friend doesn't care to play competitively then just don't play him competitively. What do you have to prove by destroying someone who's unwilling to become dedicated to the game anyways? Smash CAN be fun playing it as a party game with items and stuff on.

 

[Dai Tian]

As someone who recently started to progress in smash I can vouch that it's entirely demoralizing to have someone sit there and just brutally wreck you over and over for hours. You say this is how you learn, but during those sessions I learned absolutely nothing. I sat there, unable to move for stocks as a time as a fox or falco annihilated my captain falcon. Completely helpless, 0 results. I learned not one thing from it. When this same person sandbagged to being a bit better than me and gave me some tips of things to try or not, I improved at an extremely rapid rate. I actually had to stop and say, SO, what can I do here aside from just getting destroyed over and over? And he was like oh, ****, and started helping me XD. While I never nerd raged, I've found myself getting frustrated over situations like that. I'm audible, but not in an angry way if that makes sense. I couldn't disagree more with all the posts saying **** THEM HARD AS YOU CAN ONLY WAY TO LEARN. Bull****. HELP them, play better, but don't throw matches. We newbies expect to lose. But help us improve if you play with us. Why else would you? Not like we're a challenge.

I came in here to say basically everything that's in this post. If you get ***** over, and over, and over and over again for hours it's just demoralizing no matter how badly you want to get better. I won't say the better player should sandbag to the extreme, but I will say, depending on the person they're trying to teach they should slow down a little and start pointing out ways the other player could keep up. It's not something that will come immediately but just knowing small tips like how to recover better or what moves will work better when properly spaced, or just knowing what properly spacing is... It lets the new player feel like they're actually improving little by little, even if it's a small thing it clicks in their mind that they just got a little better.

Show the new player exactly what they should go for to counter you and let them practice that. If they're getting better you can allow yourself to step your game back up. If the new player has enough incentive, they'll keep playing. *** beatings are expected, but the greater the *** beating the greater the demoralizing. Watching yourself be 4 stocked in 1 minute is different compared to you taking off 1 stock, then growing to be good enough to take 2 stocks, then 3... Just take it easy and give them time, you'll see if they want to get better or not.

 

[abort]

Nerdrage= ridiculously funny.

 

[-ACE-]

I have a big problem with going easy on people that nerdrage. I know I shouldn't care and continue ******, but it just happens. I'm working on it lol

 

[Pi]

you can't really be competitive with people who suck, it's hard when you use to go on the same level, or go on the same level with him in another game or something, cause he expects to win automatically, or refuses to acknowledge his mistakes, i have a few friends who don't so much rage as refuse to learn because they use to beat me, but now they feel the gap is too large, blah blah blah

you just have to change the relationship you have with them, or stop playing melee together

 

[mastermoo420]

You know, you'd think that if you play for hours, you'd be able to find at least one tactic that'll not let you get "brutally [wrecked]" and at least reach a level of decency. >_> If you say "but then the other player will adapt," then that's their own personal skill, not a level of technical skill. Then they're just plain better than you.

 

[Infinitora]

Yaknow, my room mate and I used to be on the same level. I've gone far beyond him now, but when we play I take time to just refine dash dancing and l-cancelling. We goof around with low tiers, luigi ladder, pikachu vs luigi headbutt competitions, etc etc. Coin matches even. Try just playing the game for fun, not for competition. You may find you like it heh. It's a nice reprieve from TRAIN TRAIN TRAIN COMPETE.

 

[Proverbs]

Competing at a high level is what makes the game fun for me. I mean, sometimes I mess around. Even top players do free for alls at times (although really, really rarely). But for me what becomes fun is really being forced to play at my top level, hitting roadblocks over and over, and finally overcoming them and figuring out what I was doing wrong. Also, on a much more introspective note, I find that how I play is reflective of what I'm feeling and thinking, interestingly enough. Typically the problems I have while playing are the same problems I'm having in life. I'm a good enough player that when I'm playing badly, it's usually indicative of deep-rooted emotional problems. For me, that only comes out during competitive playing. Or I play badly when I'm really tired. Which is almost all the time this semester. Yay spring break, only three more days T_T;;

Oh, and I don't rage, but I complain a lot. I'm working on not doing it. I keep needing to remind myself 'no johns'. It just makes me no fun to play with, and no one wants to be that guy.