Gauntlet BIWEEKLY: FRIDAY APR 10TH , 1v1 cap at 64, 2v2 cap at 32 bottom UPDATED!!

[KnightMare516]

ron will find a way LOL hes gonna spam like no tommorrow

 

[Ryan-K]

yeah i told eli that lol

wario or someone else if i go to this lol

 

[XSilvenX]

So Wario's the best character because he doesn't lose anything with this ruleset? Funny people...Snake, DDD, Marth, Falco etc are all still good. Just because they can't be as gay doesn't mean they're any worse. But what am I talking about....DDD completely sucks now because he can't chaingrab *_*.

 

[hippiedude92]

Luigi beats out Wario. This should be hecka fun tourney. At least gives some hope for the low/mid tier chars somewhere -_-. Wes and the rest DA better not disappoint NY.

 

[DAlegendarysamus]

Announcement

just to inform everyone in this thread i updated the 1st post i made, fixed the pay breakdown,and added a few more stages i tested out. And fixed a few rules so everyone read up. I will do some more updating on the logistics of the event and put up the point system later on.

 

[Ryan-K]

also wes/dire/whoever can answer this one question

does sheiks ftilt combo(not against a wall) count as a lock or no, since you can DI it i think but jw

 

[MalcolmM]

oh wow i was planning on going to MD the day after this but i dunno now.... this is interesting.

 

[Alejandro_P]

I don't play anymore but anything WES and D.A hosts is always guaranteed fun. You all should definitely come to this and see why NY has always been the hot spot for SSB.

 

[CanISmash]

this almost makes me want to play brawl. good stuff guys and good luck!!!

 

[Inui]

If I show up, I will get DQ'd for sure.

I'm going to grab a character with grab release weaknesses with Snake.

They might mash out.

I'll instinctively dash attack them.

Grab-release combo = banned tactic.

 

[P.c. Chris]

LOL i dont think i even like unlocked all these stages yet, let alone played on them haha. rules seem fun though i dunno how serious people can take this though. Is your goal to make the lower tiers more usable for "competitive" play? You might as well turn on items and everything then XD. Either way even though I'm not a big fan of brawl I'll always support gauntlet i just wish they were at the old venue for all those good memories LOL. i'll probably come to one of these. haha i can imagine how fun it'd be to see like the finals on some crazy stage and everyone screaming and going nuts.

 

[Mike G]

LOL metaknight is banned. Wes was really serious about that!

 

[Scissors Sir]

At discretion of you guys?

If no one goes to a ledge, anything else we do on stage to avoid taking damage shouldn't get us DQ'ed

As much as you try to make a better ruleset, it's just as flawed

I would tell you exactly what I plan on coming and doing but you probably think you know
already and will edit the first post 10 more times

 

[QNZ_RAFA]

I Have The Prime Example For You!

You do know those examples are 'PHYSICAL CONDITIONS' examples and not game rule difference examples, right?

Rules look kinda wonky...let's see how they play out.

Anyway, I may go to this. Even though Meta Knight is considered banned. I'm trying to see if I can go to God-is-my-rock tourny.

I have the PRIME EXAMPLE FOR YOU. Do you know why BOXING is called "BOXING" and not ULTIMATE FIGHTING CHAMPIONSHIP OR ALL THESE OTHER NONSENSE NAMES??? becuz boxing isnt just a "NO HOLDS BARRED" kind of fight where you can basically pin a guy to the floor and start kneeing his crotch a million times till he passes out. Boxing has a set of rules that makes it a SPORT and fair rules for evry1 to be able to compete on an even field. When the 2 boxers( 2 gamers), of equal or similar weight(every character except MK), step into the ring they get in the center of the ring and the ref(D.A.) gets between both fighters and starts to dictate the stipulations of the match.(Gauntlet Rules)

i.e. - No hitting below the Belt. No headbutting. No Holding. No tripping. No pushing. No biting. No Spitting. No Wrestling. No Kicking. No Rabbit Punching (hitting the back or back of the head) No Kidney Punches."No hitting with any part of the arm except for the fist (including hitting with the elbow, shoulder or forearm, as well as with open gloves, the wrist, the inside, back or side of the hand.) If the 2 fighters are in a "clinch" and the referee breaks up the clinch, the 2 fighters must take 1 full step back before they are allowed to start punching again. When your opponent is knocked down to the floor, you are NOT allowed to hit him while getting up, you must immediately cease fighting and move to the nearest neutral corner of the ring until the referee has either ruled a knockout or called for the fight to continue.

IN OTHER WORDS NO CHAINGRABS, NO GRAB RELEASE, NO INFINITES, NO WALL INFINITES ETC.

IF ANY OF THESE RULES ARE BROKEN, THE REFEREE WILL EITHER ISSUE A DISQUALIFICATION OR DEDUCT A POINT FROM THAT PARTICULAR ROUND. (Lose a Stock, Lose a Match, Get Disqualified)

This is why boxing is highly respected over your UFC bullcrap nonsense that you watch. Entertaining...im sure it is, but no way in hell fair. Boxing is so highly respected that its even an OLYMPIC SPORT.

The problem w/ this community and the rules is that they're running a UFC kind of tournament. Where you can pin a man to the floor and knee the hell out of his crotch and its considered fair. i.e. GANON VS DEDEDE. All D3 has to do on a stage like FD is Chaingrab him all the way to the end of the stage, turn around, back air twice then grab the ledge. HOW TERRIBLE IS THAT. ON TOP OF GANON'S GOD FOR SAKEN COMEBACK. TO ME THAT IS THE SMASH DEFINTION OF PINNING YOUR OPPONENT TO THE FLOOR WHEN YOU WAY 200 LBS. MORE THAN HIM, THEN KNEEING THE HELL OUT OF HIS CROTCH.

D.A. is going to start to run BOXING rules for Brawl instead of your UFC rules. Your right, MAYBE these rules are'nt the best way to balance the game out and even the playing field. BUT WE ARE DETERMINED TO FIND THE RIGHT SET OF RULES FOR THIS GAME EVEN IF IT TAKES US 100 TRIES. But at least we have the balls to try this out when no other is. If there is a stage in our tournament that we see is just not working for balancing the game...we will remove it. If we have to change our rules up a bit after the first tournament or remove a few stages we will do it. OUR COMMITMENT IS TO BALANCE THE GAME OUT AT ANY COST. Your complaints are not warranted nor welcome. if you want to whine...whine to your mom not D.A.

***Oh and METAKNIGHT is like having the Genes of Mohammed Ali, Mike Tyson, Joe Frazier, Riddick Bowe, Roy Jones Jr., Antonio Tarver, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Evander Holyfield, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Oscar De La Hoya, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Marvelous Marvin Haggler and Tommy "The Hitman" Hearns ALL ROLLED INTO 1 FIGHTER.

in other words.......BROKEN!!!

 

[Shiri]

Werd.

 

[Mike G]

lol man, that post makes me wanna go out to jog then shadow box. Good **** Raffy.

Even though I don't play Brawl anymore I'll suggest these rules to the peeps down here in the south. We already lost a good FL player(afro thunder) mostly because of the current rules we have now. :/ This may just bring him back if it turns out successful.

 

[XSilvenX]

That post was epic lmao. Good points Rafa.

 

[Deleted member]

wow I thought my rules were conservative lol

why is DA so **** hard to contact when I'm looking for a place to stay this weekend.

 

[QNZ_RAFA]

I dont usually go out and do this but, I notice alot of ppl D.A. has ran into in the past that unfortunately dont play brawl but use to play melee w/ us are coming out and showing D.A. support. Alejandro P., P.C. Chris , GOOD OL' MIKE G. and yes even you Philly. We appreciate it alot guys.

And as far as trying to be as cheap as you can be Philly, DO YOUR WORST. It'll help us with modifying the rules. CHEAP and ANNOYING are 2 different things. remember that.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Wes:
I like that your logic is consistent throughout your ruleset. However, one thing I think you may like to experiment with in terms of your edge grab rule would be using edge grab limits instead of the hard to enforce 5 edge grab rule.

At my most recent tournament I put a max limit on edge grabs: if you grab the edge more than 60 times in the match, and the match goes to the timer, then you lose (if both players grab more than 60 times then the match is decided by stock/percent as normal, though for your rule it would be the two stock lead thing). My next tournament I am going to lower it to 50 or so. There were no incidents of anyone getting anywhere close to 60, the most I saw was my own Norfair match where I grabbed the edge 24 times (IIRC). I think you could experiment and effectively determine a number of edge grabs to allow each game that makes edge camping/planking nearly obsolete/impossible. A number like 20 would obviously cause people to be careful about how much they grab the edge. 30 could work. 40. Who knows.

The reason I advocate this rule over the "can't grab x times in a row" or "no planking" is because it is far easier to enforce. Simply check the edge grab statistics at the end of the game and if it is over x amount then you lose (the game keeps track automatically all your edge grabs). If you don't want to pay attention to how many times you grab the edge then that means you won't want to risk grabbing the edge at unnecessary times/you won't want to edge camp/plank. The rule can artificially cause more offensive play if the number gets really low, so that may be something to watch for. The key though is finding the right mix that will allow for some edge play while also hindering someones ability to plank to maybe something like the last 30 seconds of a match (which they wouldn't do in your ruleset unless they are up by 2 stocks!)

Anyways, just something you might want to look into, could make your life easier when it comes to enforcing rules. I like that you are experimenting/going against the grain.

 

[Inui]

Dear God, your outlook and mentallity on competitive gaming is perhaps the whiniest I've ever seen... You'd get laughed out of any other community, so stop complaining about this one. You'd probably get beat up if you played MvC2.

IThe problem w/ this community and the rules is that they're running a UFC kind of tournament. Where you can pin a man to the floor and knee the hell out of his crotch and its considered fair. i.e. GANON VS DEDEDE. All D3 has to do on a stage like FD is Chaingrab him all the way to the end of the stage, turn around, back air twice then grab the ledge. HOW TERRIBLE IS THAT. ON TOP OF GANON'S GOD FOR SAKEN COMEBACK. TO ME THAT IS THE SMASH DEFINTION OF PINNING YOUR OPPONENT TO THE FLOOR WHEN YOU WAY 200 LBS. MORE THAN HIM, THEN KNEEING THE HELL OUT OF HIS CROTCH.

Ganondorf is bottom tier. That's what happens to bottom tier. They get *****. Vega is screwed in SF4. ~40 characters are worthless in MvC2. Johnny and Bridget are worthless in Guilty Gear, the most balanced fighting game.

Nobody cries about this or tries to ban stuff.

"Let's ban Sagat and Zangief so Vega can be used!" "Ban 12 characters in MvC2 so we can use Wolverine, Dan, and Servbot!"

No, that is stupid.

You banned one character and crippled many in order to make bottom tiers slightly more variable. That's what you did. It's not competitive at all.

Your ruleset doesn't even create that balance. Snake's f-tilt alone shuts down Ganondorf. Snake doesn't even need other moves. Ganondorf is still worthless with Meta Knight gone (Meta Knight is not his worst match-up at all; Falco, Marth, and Dedede are indeed much worse).

D.A. is going to start to run BOXING rules for Brawl instead of your UFC rules. Your right, MAYBE these rules are'nt the best way to balance the game out and even the playing field. BUT WE ARE DETERMINED TO FIND THE RIGHT SET OF RULES FOR THIS GAME EVEN IF IT TAKES US 100 TRIES. But at least we have the balls to try this out when no other is. If there is a stage in our tournament that we see is just not working for balancing the game...we will remove it. If we have to change our rules up a bit after the first tournament or remove a few stages we will do it. OUR COMMITMENT IS TO BALANCE THE GAME OUT AT ANY COST. Your complaints are not warranted nor welcome. if you want to whine...whine to your mom not D.A.

Last I checked, the ring doesn't attack you in a boxing match, and half of the stages you have on actively try to kill you. It's plainly obvious that stuff like Ice Climber stage and Shadow Moses are stupid.

I'll whine all I want. I'm a top player and a top host, so I'm going to be listened to by somebody out there.

Your commitment to balance this game out is a joke. You're going about it the wrong way. Banning a vast amount of moves and strategies, allowing many broken and ******** stages, and banning Meta Knight doesn't create balance. Pit can take Ganondorf, Link, or Captain Falcon to Rainbow Cruise and that turns the match-up into 80/20 at best for Ganondorf. Whoops, no balance there, and Pit's not even top tier. There are countless cases like this that exist with the stages you have in play that you didn't even consider. You think that if you ban various tactics, ban MK, and allow every stage in the game, you somehow created balance.

You want balance? That's cool. You're not getting it with this ruleset, however.

***Oh and METAKNIGHT is like having the Genes of Mohammed Ali, Mike Tyson, Joe Frazier, Riddick Bowe, Roy Jones Jr., Antonio Tarver, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Evander Holyfield, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Oscar De La Hoya, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Marvelous Marvin Haggler and Tommy "The Hitman" Hearns ALL ROLLED INTO 1 FIGHTER.

in other words.......BROKEN!!!

This community doesn't understand what "broken" means at all. It means that character can't lose. Sorry, but Meta Knight has at least 10 match-ups that are basically even or very close to it, and he loses to Snake. He's not broken at all. Why don't you just get better at the game? Atomsk takes down every MK he faces with Dedede. I beat most of them with Snake. ADHD and NinjaLink own them with Diddy Kong. MK is not the worst match-up for a plethora of characters, if not most of them.

 

[Alex Strife]

As long as people have a good time. I am ok with everything XD

Sadly BTYF is that weekend so I will be in MD/VA friday.

have fun peoples.

 

[JBM falcon08]

i knew this was gonna happen sooner or later to the brawl community lol.

live on melee.

i agree with inui.

 

[DAlegendarysamus]

Thanx

wes:
I Like That Your Logic Is Consistent Throughout Your Ruleset. However, One Thing I Think You May Like To Experiment With In Terms Of Your Edge Grab Rule Would Be Using Edge Grab Limits Instead Of The Hard To Enforce 5 Edge Grab Rule.

At My Most Recent Tournament I Put A Max Limit On Edge Grabs: If You Grab The Edge More Than 60 Times In The Match, And The Match Goes To The Timer, Then You Lose (if Both Players Grab More Than 60 Times Then The Match Is Decided By Stock/percent As Normal, Though For Your Rule It Would Be The Two Stock Lead Thing). My Next Tournament I Am Going To Lower It To 50 Or So. There Were No Incidents Of Anyone Getting Anywhere Close To 60, The Most I Saw Was My Own Norfair Match Where I Grabbed The Edge 24 Times (iirc). I Think You Could Experiment And Effectively Determine A Number Of Edge Grabs To Allow Each Game That Makes Edge Camping/planking Nearly Obsolete/impossible. A Number Like 20 Would Obviously Cause People To Be Careful About How Much They Grab The Edge. 30 Could Work. 40. Who Knows.

The Reason I Advocate This Rule Over The "can't Grab X Times In A Row" Or "no Planking" Is Because It Is Far Easier To Enforce. Simply Check The Edge Grab Statistics At The End Of The Game And If It Is Over X Amount Then You Lose (the Game Keeps Track Automatically All Your Edge Grabs). If You Don't Want To Pay Attention To How Many Times You Grab The Edge Then That Means You Won't Want To Risk Grabbing The Edge At Unnecessary Times/you Won't Want To Edge Camp/plank. The Rule Can Artificially Cause More Offensive Play If The Number Gets Really Low, So That May Be Something To Watch For. The Key Though Is Finding The Right Mix That Will Allow For Some Edge Play While Also Hindering Someones Ability To Plank To Maybe Something Like The Last 30 Seconds Of A Match (which They Wouldn't Do In Your Ruleset Unless They Are Up By 2 Stocks!)

Anyways, Just Something You Might Want To Look Into, Could Make Your Life Easier When It Comes To Enforcing Rules. I Like That You Are Experimenting/going Against The Grain.

Thanx For The Support, But People Dont Give Me Full Props Give The Whole Crew Props For These Rulesets. It Was Not Only Me To Make These Rules.

 

[DAlegendarysamus]

Crossing The Line

dear God, Your Outlook And Mentallity On Competitive Gaming Is Perhaps The Whiniest I've Ever Seen... You'd Get Laughed Out Of Any Other Community, So Stop Complaining About This One. You'd Probably Get Beat Up If You Played Mvc2.



Ganondorf Is Bottom Tier. That's What Happens To Bottom Tier. They Get *****. Vega Is Screwed In Sf4. ~40 Characters Are Worthless In Mvc2. Johnny And Bridget Are Worthless In Guilty Gear, The Most Balanced Fighting Game.

Nobody Cries About This Or Tries To Ban Stuff.

"let's Ban Sagat And Zangief So Vega Can Be Used!" "ban 12 Characters In Mvc2 So We Can Use Wolverine, Dan, And Servbot!"

No, That Is Stupid.

You Banned One Character And Crippled Many In Order To Make Bottom Tiers slightly More Variable. That's What You Did. It's Not Competitive At All.

Your Ruleset Doesn't Even Create That Balance. Snake's F-tilt Alone Shuts Down Ganondorf. Snake Doesn't Even Need Other Moves. Ganondorf Is Still Worthless With Meta Knight Gone (meta Knight Is Not His Worst Match-up At All; Falco, Marth, And Dedede Are Indeed Much Worse).



Last I Checked, The Ring Doesn't Attack You In A Boxing Match, And Half Of The Stages You Have On Actively Try To Kill You. It's Plainly Obvious That Stuff Like Ice Climber Stage And Shadow Moses Are Stupid.

I'll Whine All I Want. I'm A Top Player And A Top Host, So I'm Going To Be Listened To By somebody Out There.

Your Commitment To Balance This Game Out Is A Joke. You're Going About It The Wrong Way. Banning A Vast Amount Of Moves And Strategies, Allowing Many Broken And ******** Stages, And Banning Meta Knight Doesn't Create Balance. Pit Can Take Ganondorf, Link, Or Captain Falcon To Rainbow Cruise And That Turns The Match-up Into 80/20 At Best For Ganondorf. Whoops, No Balance There, And Pit's Not Even Top Tier. There Are Countless Cases Like This That Exist With The Stages You Have In Play That You Didn't Even Consider. You Think That If You Ban Various Tactics, Ban Mk, And Allow Every Stage In The Game, You Somehow Created Balance.

You Want Balance? That's Cool. You're Not Getting It With This Ruleset, However.



This Community Doesn't Understand What "broken" Means At All. It Means That Character can't Lose. Sorry, But Meta Knight Has At Least 10 Match-ups That Are Basically Even Or Very Close To It, And He Loses To Snake. He's Not Broken At All. Why Don't You Just Get Better At The Game? Atomsk Takes Down Every Mk He Faces With Dedede. I Beat Most Of Them With Snake. Adhd And Ninjalink Own Them With Diddy Kong. Mk Is not The Worst Match-up For A Plethora Of Characters, If Not Most Of Them.

if Your Not Going To Come Then Dont Post Bad **** Please Your Talking About Rafa He Is My Crew Member You Mess With Him You Mess With Me. So If You Dont Have Constructive Ideas Dont Post **** Dude. Let's See How Things Work Alphabeta Gained More Respect From Me By His Post He May Not Agree With Everything But He Understands. The Game Is Getting Boring Already And It Hs Been Not Even Been 2 Yrs Yet I Wonder Why? People Are Doing The Same **** To Win That Takes 0 Skills I Can Go On Inui Dont Worry I Will Host These Tournaments And Win Your Bs Rules Too. Soon Enuff. Then What Your Going To Be Just A Top Host Then If Ppl Like Our Tournaments More Than Urs You Will Just Be A Top Son To Your Father

 

[Scissors Sir]

ok inui...

Everyone isn't expected to like these rules. For those who don't luke turn the solution is simple

Don't enter

But to come into the thread over and over and talk about how bad the rules are accomplished nothing. Obviously DA has no intentions of changin the rules so any attempts at this point are useless.

Just because you're doing well in tournies doesn't mean you control the minds and views of everyone placing below you

Whether you go or not I'm sure someone will enter and give it a shot. Just so you know they're more concerned with catering to the few who would give this a chance. National type numbers in the future would he great but it's most likely not a current goal for them.

And before you try and pull the hypocrite card...

I've made it clear I don't care for all the rules. I'm STILL ATTENDING though. It's just something different to do.

 

[Alex Strife]

Ya I mean its a new rule set lets see how it turns out. Didn't smash start out with 10 stocks?


As long as people have a good time whats it matter XD

I agree with AZ though about the ledge issue.

I dont like some stages but wtf i wanna have fun too XD


xivik should win this cause he plays all those stages XD

 

[AlphaZealot]

There isn't anything wrong with experimenting/trying something different. DA is not hurting anyone else by hosting this.

Me/Forward tried our skills in an allbrawl tournament (all stages/all items on medium spawn, 2 stocks 3 minute timer in best of 5) after Season Beatings III and it was actually a TON of fun. Yea, maybe it wasn't "normal" or "standard" rules, but it was competitive, it was interesting, it was fun.

DA knows what they are doing when they run a tournament, so I'm sure this will run smoothly. As for the rules, you know what you got into before you entered, so I don't see any reason to complain. As Scissors pointed out, I doubt DA wants to change the rules, so why bother bringing it up repeatedly!

Just go, play Smash, have fun, and try to win! That is how it is supposed to be anyways.

If DA wants I can hand out warnings to anyone who tries to sidetrack this thread about the rules. Actually, Mike G is a mod now, so he could do that too.

---
Wes/DA: what do you think about the edge grab limit rule instead of "no grabbing the edge 5 times in a row". The purpose of the rule is the same - limit edge camping/planking - but the edge grab limit I think is much easier to enforce.

 

[Kubuu]

Hello everyone,

I want to take a second to just say that if you’re planning on discounting or discrediting the ruleset prior to even giving it a shot and seeing how it works out, then you are entitled to do so, but at no point in the remainder of your smash playing “career” should you ever complain about any “unfair” outcome in matches or getting “screwed or jipped or jewed” out of a victory. To those of you considering experimenting and embracing change, I thank you for having the open mind to see what may come of a revamp to the way we play this game. Some of you are going to say “What does Kubuu care? He doesn’t even play the game anymore.” To those people, I say:

I do still play this game and I still care very much about the game, my issue is that the community has stripped away the genuine competitive aspect of this game. I believe that the majority of the community has lost sight of what the true competitive nature of this game used to be. I’ve been in this community since the Japanese release of the Nintendo 64 iteration of Smash Bros. and I’ve been able to see the way the community and the game have changed over time. I can go back and remember the first big tournament I want to where I met the members of Deadly Alliance and saw them play and thought to myself “this is the way the game should be played.” Obviously, that was a long time ago. There were lots of techniques and tactics that were not developed back then, but just because we do have the power to use or in some cases, abuse certain tactics/techniques, should we really employ them without a second thought? I’m not trying to ban the use of “advanced” or “top level” tactics so we can go back to basic play or anything, I just have an issue with the mindset that seems to share on a hive mentality level in the community. The one example that I stick by and will use until the very end is the fact that I, as a die hard Metal Gear fan, can’t play on Shadow Moses Island because of tactics that can be abused by players. The idea that we can eliminate an entire stage due to the fact that individuals want to employ a broken tactic is straight up depressing. That in itself is what turns me away from wanting to play this game in a competitive fashion. Why would I want to compete against people who would support and defend to the death such a concept? I would love nothing more than to see players be able to put their tokens on any character that they desire and stand a fair fighting chance against any other player using any character they desire. Of course there will be people who will deny this type of utopia exists, but should we not at least try for it?

We’re not saying that we have all the answers. That would be brash, arrogant and ignorant. We are saying that we have a system that we are trying to implement that will of course need revisions. No OS was made perfect. Humans are inherently flawed and such, anything we create will share that same affliction. We can complain about the game all day long, but unless we step our games up and attempt to refine the laws by which we do battle, we’re just a bunch of zombies running the same program over and over again, and not true combatants looking for new ways to challenge ourselves and progress in skill. If you want to share positive energy, then we can be friends. If your intent is to generate negative energy around what we are trying to accomplish, is it really worth it?

And as much as I hate generating negative energy by singling people out, Inui, I cannot stress how much I abhor what appears to be the fact that you almost seem fueled by trying to crush this new idea before it even has a chance to get off the ground. Taking notes and giving neutral opinions based on your observations is one thing, however any time I read anything you have had to say thus far in this thread, I only get a negative vibe from it. If I am wrong, then I am wrong. I’m a grown man of 26 playing a Nintendo mascot fighting game, I’ve no reason to get up in arms over any of this. What does bother me in general however is people generating/feeding off of negative energy and that’s not what we’re here for.

Enjoy the game and to those who attend, see you there.

 

[complexity1234]

HAHAHHH at the rules LOl!

@DAlegendarysamus
dude can u read, inui didnt just say "your rules are bad, bye". He gave u clear cut examples and facts (in post #61) about how terrible the rules are. Everything he said was constructive.

ok inui...

Everyone isn't expected to like these rules. For those who don't luke turn the solution is simple

Everyone who reads this thread, Don't enter

fixed

Funny how you see the facts and are in denial.

The one example that I stick by and will use until the very end is the fact that I, as a die hard Metal Gear fan, can’t play on Shadow Moses Island because of tactics that can be abused by players. That in itself is what turns me away from wanting to play this game in a competitive fashion.

lol. Anyone want to take care of this one for me.
I think we know how the rules came about now. Don't forget about items!!

 

[Alex Strife]

how about ppl just come and have a good time its not that serious to debate rules. trying new things always helps the community develops. I trust DA they are good peeps so people should just let them be.

 

[Kubuu]

HAHAHHH at the rules LOl!

@DAlegendarysamus
dude can u read, inui didnt just say "your rules are bad, bye". He gave u clear cut examples and facts (in post #61) about how terrible the rules are. Everything he said was constructive.


fixed

Funny how you see the facts and are in denial.


lol. Anyone want to take care of this one for me.
I think we know how the rules came about now. Don't forget about items!!

How about you take care of "this one" yourself. In the number of conversations that I have had with numerous individuals regarding that stage, no one has been able to give me a solid, logical explanation as to why the stage has been eliminated from competitive play. As such, I imagine the next individual to attempt the same task will fall prey to the same outcome.

 

[ShadowLink84]

I can bring in wii. I have 3 copies of brawl. 2 ISO(custom textures), 1 regular with the whole usbgecko hacks. I may be able to bring a t.v. not entirely sure though.

 

[QNZ_RAFA]

Dear God, your outlook and mentallity on competitive gaming is perhaps the whiniest I've ever seen... You'd get laughed out of any other community, so stop complaining about this one. You'd probably get beat up if you played MvC2.



Ganondorf is bottom tier. That's what happens to bottom tier. They get *****. Vega is screwed in SF4. ~40 characters are worthless in MvC2. Johnny and Bridget are worthless in Guilty Gear, the most balanced fighting game.

Nobody cries about this or tries to ban stuff.

"Let's ban Sagat and Zangief so Vega can be used!" "Ban 12 characters in MvC2 so we can use Wolverine, Dan, and Servbot!"

No, that is stupid.

You banned one character and crippled many in order to make bottom tiers slightly more variable. That's what you did. It's not competitive at all.

Your ruleset doesn't even create that balance. Snake's f-tilt alone shuts down Ganondorf. Snake doesn't even need other moves. Ganondorf is still worthless with Meta Knight gone (Meta Knight is not his worst match-up at all; Falco, Marth, and Dedede are indeed much worse).



Last I checked, the ring doesn't attack you in a boxing match, and half of the stages you have on actively try to kill you. It's plainly obvious that stuff like Ice Climber stage and Shadow Moses are stupid.

I'll whine all I want. I'm a top player and a top host, so I'm going to be listened to by somebody out there.

Your commitment to balance this game out is a joke. You're going about it the wrong way. Banning a vast amount of moves and strategies, allowing many broken and ******** stages, and banning Meta Knight doesn't create balance. Pit can take Ganondorf, Link, or Captain Falcon to Rainbow Cruise and that turns the match-up into 80/20 at best for Ganondorf. Whoops, no balance there, and Pit's not even top tier. There are countless cases like this that exist with the stages you have in play that you didn't even consider. You think that if you ban various tactics, ban MK, and allow every stage in the game, you somehow created balance.

You want balance? That's cool. You're not getting it with this ruleset, however.



This community doesn't understand what "broken" means at all. It means that character can't lose. Sorry, but Meta Knight has at least 10 match-ups that are basically even or very close to it, and he loses to Snake. He's not broken at all. Why don't you just get better at the game? Atomsk takes down every MK he faces with Dedede. I beat most of them with Snake. ADHD and NinjaLink own them with Diddy Kong. MK is not the worst match-up for a plethora of characters, if not most of them.

Good Lord. So many mistakes in this post. In Tekken 5 , Steve Fox had this kidney punch that if you caught sum1 w/ it, you can keep doing the same kidney punch over and over again and you can chain it w/ another move if you wanted to get "creative" , it took about 2 tournaments b4 the COMMUNITY banned it. Justin Wong traveled to Europe last year and played the BEST EUROPEAN MvC2 PLAYER and beat him w/ MEGAMAN, ROLL AND SERVE BOT. dont ever call a character USELESS if you've never attempted to get good w/ them. No character is useless just harder to master. Your so accustomed to picking top tier you call ne1 thats bottom tier USELESS...you and the rest of New Jersey share the same brain. (some exceptions...i.e. PRIDE)

How did we "CRIPPLE" every other character by adding stages? you get 3 bans and a restart. which pretty much leaves you back to where your at with stages. We're atleast putting the option up there of picking stages that were BANNED becuz of the garbage tactics that we went ahead and banned. If you cant wall infinite and can't chain grab how bad is kirby's melee stage? Your right, I do agree alot of stages are a bit excessive when it comes to hazzards but this is a work in progress. as we resume w/ these tournaments we will continue to edit the rules till we have it close enuff to perfect . I dont think you can acheive a perfect ruleset w/ this game, personally.

Banning Moves?? who the hell is banning moves?? we're banning CHEAP TACTICS , like CHAIN GRABBING (you cant link a grab throw into another grab) NOT A MOVE, IF YOU GRAB YOU CAN STILL THROW SOMEONE. same thing w/ grab release. and infinites. your adding b.s. to make your argument more viable. STOP!

You keep complaining on how no1 will ever defeat m2k its IMPOSSIBLE. EVERY SINGLE TOURNAMENT RESULTS THREAD YOU KEEP SAYING....ITS FUNNY HOW PPL STILL THINK PPL CAN BEAT M2K..I PLAY HIM ALL THE TIME...ITS IMPOSSIBLE! We finally ban the character and you call us stupid? I guess you must be married to M2K and he splits half the winnings w/ you when you 2 love birds get home. SHUDDUP ALREADY!! and I cant stand how ppl still get this wrong. you say "This community doesn't understand what "broken" means at all. It means that character can't lose. " SO UNDER YOUR DEFINITION OF "BROKEN" THE ONLY TIME A CHARACTER IN SMASH BROS. BRAWL WILL BE BANNED IS IF A CHARACTER KEEPS GETTING HIS HEALTH UP EVERY TIME HE GETS ATTACKED...THEN YES UNDER YOUR DEFINITION THE CHARACTER CAN NOT BE BEAT. but I remember destroying the cpu level 9 Metaknight.Or when I play my little brother and he picks MK, i beat him too. still shouldnt be banned becuz i wuz able to beat him right? so just becuz this is possible he shouldnt be banned?? MORON!! is it not possible that the ppl that pick metaknight and lose to other characters under him JUST SUCK??? WHY CAN THIS NOT BE POSSIBLE?? Anti picked up MK 1 month and 1/2 ago and he went to CoT4 and defeated azen. can you say you have done this??? how many ppl can say they have done this. is that justified?? AZEN, in my opinion the greatest smasher that still plays the game TODAY and he lost to a kid who just picked up metaknight 1 month ago. o yes...this is fair.

AND I LIKE HOW YOU TOOK MY 1 EXAMPLE, sorry if I used a bottom tier, I used a character that I use. but believe me...THERE ARE SO MANY EXAMPLES. just take 1 of the characters that gets chain grabbed by D3 and substitute the character. DONE!! same difference.

The ring doesnt eat you up. I used boxing as an analogy. Why would you take it LITERAL. IT CLEARLY WASNT. WAT A FOOL! and I WOULD GET BEAT UP IF I WUZ IN THE MvC2 COMMUNITY?? HAHAHA. PLEASE...GO LOOK AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR. YOU WOULD GET BEAT UP JUST STANDING IN 1 PLACE NOT DOING NETHING.

And once again if you dont plan to join the tournament, stay out of this thread.

 

[ANTi_]

only thing thats out of control is the stage list lol the rest is understandable

you dont see a boxing match on top of lava dontcha?

 

[complexity1234]

The ring doesnt eat you up. I used boxing as an analogy. Why would you take it LITERAL. IT CLEARLY WASNT.

You using boxing as an analogy is a horrible example because your stages have random elements and bs factors that affect the game, which doesn't compare to a boxing arena (neutral stage) and is not suitable for competitive play. gtfo.

 

[Ryan-K]

if you dont like the rules don't go

oh wait that would be the logical solution, something 95% of the smash community can't handle MY BAD.

 

[QNZ_RAFA]

You using boxing as an analogy is a horrible example because your stages have random elements and bs factors that affect the game, which doesn't compare to a boxing arena (neutral stage) and is not suitable for competitive play. gtfo.

look at my original post. I used alot of parts
from boxing to compare to the game. but im still comparing a PHYSICAL SPORT to a VIDEO GAME so obviously I CANT COMPARE THE ENTIRE SPORT TO THE GAME. W@W...wat is wrong w/ you kids. this is just a poor attempt to bash my post. I dont care what ne1 says, that was an excellent look on things. your just a fool ...o disregard my post becuz the ring doesnt affect the fighters. THIS IS SMASH NOT BOXING! WE CANT COMPARE THEM BECUZ THE CHARACTERS DONT BLEED WHEN YOU GET HIT. OR A GORILLA CAN TOSSED FAR AWAY BY A LITTLE RAT IF HE REACHES HIGH ENUFF DAMAGE? OR A REF DOESNT SHOW UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN AND COUNT TO TEN WHEN YOU BREAK SUM1'S SHIELD. we can go on forever... this is fun. HAHAHA.

 

[Alex Strife]

if you dont like the rules don't go

oh wait that would be the logical solution, something 95% of the smash community can't handle MY BAD.

well that is a bad idea dont you mean 99.99999% us smart ppl are so far in between

 

[da K.I.D.]

i have a couple honest questions that i need clarified please.

the ruleset didnt quite give me the answers to these rulings

situation 1
i am sonic.
my opponent is snake
i up throw him at 0.
he has 3 options.
2 of the three will allow me to stand still and regrab him. is this still banned even though there is a easy way to avoid being grabbed?

situation 2.
I am sonic
My opponent is Kirby.
I grab kirby, and he does an airial grab release.
kirbys air GR allows me to get a guaranteed running fair on him.
Is this move banned?

i ask because i am truly unsure of the ruling in these matters. and would like to make sure i have a proper understanding of the rules