Official General Post-DLC Discussion [Closed]

[Wolfie557]

Would you guys think it's possible character reveals will be done without a Direct?

I think that's possible in December, depending on what they show in November.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I think that's possible in December, depending on what they show in November.

I don't really see it happening, since I think we'll get a Direct in November. Any characters they want to show off (probably at least two at this rate) will be shown off then. Any more characters will be shown off in a January Direct.


However, I don't think we have to worry too much about Smash DLC or anything. Nintendo confirmed it is the best selling DLC they have. Could even potentially benefit them doing even more DLC if it pays out well, but we'll have to see.

 

[RetroBro]

I think they'll likely show off one or two characters this direct. I wouldn't put it past them to release a character that was pre-ballot decided (Like Wolf). Last time we got 3 characters pretty much immediately after the direct. That was a huge surprise (beyond the stupid leaks). They clearly had time in between the characters and the end of the ballot, do you really think they were doing nothing character related all that time?

In the worst case scenario, they'll only show off one ballot choice. However, when have we ever gotten a Smash Direct and not been floored? They've hit homeruns on them every time. Expect great things, get hyped, get excited, cause it's gonna be great.


Off-subject, I was bored and did a video on Wolf highlighting what works for and against him as DLC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwk_glxbBeI

Let me know if you like the format, looking for some great stylistic criticisms.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

What do you think, did those two open spots before the update mean there's gonna be two pre-ballot characters or were they just spots in preparation?

 

[Andinus]

What do you think, did those two open spots before the update mean there's gonna be two pre-ballot characters or were they just spots in preparation?

It's hard to know anymore, I mean our best sources tell us that dlc was not planned during regular production, so they really have just been kind of winging it I think. Perhaps when they started dlc they said okay, mewtwo Roy Lucas and Ryu. We will see how they sell and go from there. Sakurai may be saying things like the team can only stay together for so long etc, etc.. But if this stuff is raking in tons of money, and we know Nintendo could use some profit, I think they may extend dlc production out a little longer than originally thought, despite what they have said about having a conscience about gouging us through too much dlc.

 

[JaidynReiman]

It's hard to know anymore, I mean our best sources tell us that dlc was not planned during regular production, so they really have just been kind of winging it I think. Perhaps when they started dlc they said okay, mewtwo Roy Lucas and Ryu. We will see how they sell and go from there. Sakurai may be saying things like the team can only stay together for so long etc, etc.. But if this stuff is raking in tons of money, and we know Nintendo could use some profit, I think they may extend dlc production out a little longer than originally thought, despite what they have said about having a conscience about gouging us through too much dlc.

I don't think there was any statements about "gouging" through too much DLC. Sakurai did say he didn't want to chop up content in the game and sell it later, and he said they can only keep the team together so long. However, "so long" is subjective, and could change. Its entirely possible "so long" simply means until DLC stops being profitable, or they've had enough doing DLC and can't think of ideas for any more.


I think its possible they could decide to do another three characters after the current planned batch, and then stop there. I don't think they'll go more than that. I still think we'll get 4, but I think 6 is a possible maximum cap.

 

[Andinus]

I don't think there was any statements about "gouging" through too much DLC. Sakurai did say he didn't want to chop up content in the game and sell it later, and he said they can only keep the team together so long. However, "so long" is subjective, and could change. Its entirely possible "so long" simply means until DLC stops being profitable, or they've had enough doing DLC and can't think of ideas for any more.


I think its possible they could decide to do another three characters after the current planned batch, and then stop there. I don't think they'll go more than that. I still think we'll get 4, but I think 6 is a possible maximum cap.

I believe it was something iwata had said. I'm sure gouging was not the word used, but I believe the sentiment was similar, in terms of we are going to do dlc right and not screw you like other companies do, like you said in terms of saving content for later dlc. But in any case when you have paid for the game twice in dlc, or whatever, the consumer certainly can start to feel they are getting taken advantage of and develop some resentment.

 

[TiaSilvia]

i think the "so long" means they will only make DLC until they run out of the gold ideas. Nintendo has been making tons of money with that, and Sakurai's word means nothing now since almost everything he said turned out to be wrong at the end, like Pac-Man not being in Smash to not have too much third party, Ryu not having a chance because he didn't want characters from fighting games and Smash not having DLC content.

 

[pupNapoleon]

There's already plenty of income that goes with the game. It's a $60 title. There's a GCN adapter that only works with it, which Nintendo clearly wants you to buy given that there are new GCN controllers with Smash logos on them. And let's not forget the Amiibo sales, some of which I believe only apply to Smash. And there are the sales of the Mii outfits, which are perfectly fine.

I don't like the selling of characters, though. It's difficult to play against a Ryu or Lucas when I'm not able to learn the characters because of just a literal paywall. There's nothing in the spirit of competition about having to drop extra $20 to unlock things, a cost that'll just keep growing the more characters they add. If someone else wants to pay $7 to play as Ryu, good for them. I'd rather it not be against me, but I don't have a way to request that my FG opponents select someone on the original roster.

But also, ingame currency unlocks aren't such a bad thing. People could still send money to Nintendo, while also increasing the overall availability of the content. Then we can leave the hard paywalls to freemium games and pay-2-win MMO's.

Anyone who competes in anything should expect to pay money if they want to improve.
Buy the ballet shoes, rent a basketball court, restock paintball ammunition...

Hobbies cost money.
I'm also sure you've been told by now that the smash controllers are for the wiimote, not the gcn adapter.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

What do you think, did those two open spots before the update mean there's gonna be two pre-ballot characters or were they just spots in preparation?

That would make a surprising amount of sense, in the next direct they could announce those 2 pre-ballots along with a ballot character which would probably be the extra character file they added in the most recent patch. 3 characters in total, 1 ballot

 

[pupNapoleon]

What do you think, did those two open spots before the update mean there's gonna be two pre-ballot characters or were they just spots in preparation?

I think it was a crapshoot guess, and that after an extra year of development, the minimal content we have seen is not reflective of the added time to develoment.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Because popularity is more important this time around and by showing the results it's less of a surprise

The only type of curveball characters few asked for that we are getting are big name icons like Ryu. Not characters like Savvy Stylist and Monita.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

The only type of curveball characters few asked for that we are getting are big name icons like Ryu. Not characters like Savvy Stylist and Monita.

Although there's absolutely no doubt Savvy Stylist would be amazing.

I personally think they're working on whoever the Rhythm Heaven Character was,along with Wolf

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The only type of curveball characters few asked for that we are getting are big name icons like Ryu. Not characters like Savvy Stylist and Monita.

That's what I meant. Ryu got in as Sakurai knew about his overall popularity. Like Dusty said, Style Savvy would be cool

 

[Ikenna]

Honestly? I really don't mind any character getting in to smash, for the most part, but some times I just feel kind of, "meh", about certain characters appearing in the game. Characters like Snake, Rhythm Heaven Interviewer, Wii Fit Trainer, Sub-Zero, Issac, etc... Those are the types of characters I'd like to see. These are either characters that make you go like... "Wait! He's in there?", or just have the potential for a very a unique move set. Other characters though? They seem to fit into smash almost to well for me to actually be excited about them appearing. Especially with some of these indie developers. They seem to be designing characters with the idea that they will make it into smash, and that really kills it for me. Characters like Shovel Knight and Shantae seem to be made with the intentions of being in smash. It just feels sort of... Eh. But like I said, I don't really mind if any character makes into smash. Especially considering the fact that I'll probably buy them anyway.

Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if the newcomers get to be carefully handpicked with consideration to the top "suggestion box" results of a ballot. Whatever meetings the Smash team have about character DLCs may try to point out the best possible traits and fighting roles of each character. I guess I don't mind who gets in since my truely wanted characters are long shots anyways. It's alright as long as those decent updates to online modes happen. Well, if.

 

[Pazzo.]

So this is the new thread...

I'll be watching.

 

[~Krystal~]

So this is the new thread...

I'll be watching.

It's the third official DLC thread this year. Just as I was beginning to like the sequel, they decided to reboot the whole series.

 

[Bowserlick]

My guess: Dixie Kong, Wolf, and Inkling as the next three DL characters.

I think Dixie Kong would have her own (A) attacks, but her (B) attacks would be cross-cloned from Donkey and Diddy. Her Up (B) would be similar to DK, except she uses her hair and her (B) would be similar to Diddy, except she would use gumballs.

 

[ShinyRegice]

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/151029/04.html

So according to this Smash DLC actually sells better on Wii U than 3DS. I suppose it may be due to the fact Wii U players are more likely to be dedicated Smash fans (and possibly have a higher average age too) than those who play exclusively the 3DS version. Now I understand why we got Wii U exclusive DLC in the form of Pirate Ship.

Guess it may give a little more hope for the Ice Climbers as Wii U exclusives.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/151029/04.html

So according to this Smash DLC actually sells better on Wii U than 3DS. I suppose it may be due to the fact Wii U players are more likely to be dedicated Smash fans (and possibly have a higher average age too) than those who play exclusively the 3DS version. Now I understand why we got Wii U exclusive DLC in the form of Pirate Ship.

Guess it may give a little more hope for the Ice Climbers as Wii U exclusives.

Er...No. 8 player Smash already lags quite a bit, what makes you think 16 IC at once is possible? Not to mention it's still a slap in the face to 3DS fans and the Mii costumes also count as DLC

 

[IndigoSSB]

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/151029/04.html

So according to this Smash DLC actually sells better on Wii U than 3DS. I suppose it may be due to the fact Wii U players are more likely to be dedicated Smash fans (and possibly have a higher average age too) than those who play exclusively the 3DS version. Now I understand why we got Wii U exclusive DLC in the form of Pirate Ship.

Guess it may give a little more hope for the Ice Climbers as Wii U exclusives.

Not just that, even if you're a dedicated Smash player you're less likely to play other players using a 3ds over a Wii U. I use a 3DS for labbing, but I never buy any of the new stages since I'll more than likely play others on somebody else's Wii U anyways. Technical implications aside, I wouldn't put my hopes up for any character being Wii U exclusive, there's no benefit for Nintendo for doing that.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

We're not getting the Ice Climbers as Wii U-only DLC. Even I have accepted that fact.

 

[ShinyRegice]

Well of course I wasn't saying that it meant that Ice Climbers were likely as Wii U exclusive DLC, just that it gave just a little more hope, but not by much. I know that a character is a very different deal from a stage after all. Plus I wasn't really affected emotionally by their departure to be honest and I've also accepted that they most likely won't return. I suppose I should have said "but that's not saying much" at the end of my post.

(But yeah I forgot about what would be 16 player Smash. Might be an issue as well if we consider that some characters get their animations altered to be simpler in 8-player Smash.)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Well of course I wasn't saying that it meant that Ice Climbers were likely as Wii U exclusive DLC, just that it gave just a little more hope, but not by much. I know that a character is a very different deal from a stage after all. Plus I wasn't really affected emotionally by their departure to be honest and I've also accepted that they most likely won't return. I suppose I should have said "but that's not saying much" at the end of my post.

False hope is bad

(But yeah I forgot about what would be 16 player Smash. Might be an issue as well if we consider that some characters get their animations altered to be simpler in 8-player Smash.)

 

[ShinyRegice]

Some characters getting their bones altered for easier animations, like Wii Fit Trainer's thumb which is posed differently in one of her victory screen appearances when playing in 8-player Smash. I saw that on SourceGaming, I'll try to find the article.

Edit: the article with the model alternation evidence: http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/06/03/can-ice-climber-be-in-smash-4/

 

[Wolfie557]

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/151029/04.html

So according to this Smash DLC actually sells better on Wii U than 3DS. I suppose it may be due to the fact Wii U players are more likely to be dedicated Smash fans (and possibly have a higher average age too) than those who play exclusively the 3DS version. Now I understand why we got Wii U exclusive DLC in the form of Pirate Ship.

Guess it may give a little more hope for the Ice Climbers as Wii U exclusives.

I think that's a possible reason. Maybe also (like in my case) people thinking it is pretty expensive anyway and it's not worth getting stuff for both versions if they know they would spend the vast majority of thier playtime with the DLC on the superior Wii U version.

So no point really to play it on 3DS if you have the U version, except for a few exceptions like missing 3DS stages or a holiday abroad.

 

[Kenith]

The only thing that could make the Wii U version superior is the controller options.

 

[volbound1700]

A lot of the picks here are very ambitious. Here is my guess:

Characters:

Wolf
Shovel Knight
Rayman
King K. Rool or Dixie Kong (I think we will only get one)
Inkling

Stages:

Corneria
Fountain of Dreams
Pokemon Stage (not sure which one)
Shovel Knight Stage
Rayman Stage

Modes:

Not sure if we will get anything. Perhaps Single Player Tournament Mode and Break the Targets

 

[XbusterKosmos]

So shovel knight has been deconfirmed

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

So shovel knight has been deconfirmed

When? What brought this up? Would you mind providing a source?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So shovel knight has been deconfirmed

If you're using the fact that the deadline was fake, Inklings are DISconfirmed too

 

[Wolfie557]

I simply think there will be an indie & a 3rd party character added in. Just a gut feeling.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I simply think there will be an indie & a 3rd party character added in. Just a gut feeling.

I think we'd get one or the other, not both. Indies are third-parties as well. I can see one, and only one, getting in, because the licensing is very tight.

So shovel knight has been deconfirmed

It'd be nice if you can provide a source. If its about a "leak" being debunked, that doesn't deconfirm a character. All it does is deconfirm the leak itself, the character could still get in. If Yacht Club said on Twitter Shovel Knight isn't in Smash, it only means Shovel Knight isn't in Smash RIGHT NOW, but he could be added later.

If its about the Tamaki rumor, the rumor was only about Shovel Knight being added to Smash (or just announced) within the next few months, that can be anytime really.


I don't think Shovel Knight is getting in, but I don't see anything to suggest he's deconfirmed.

 

[Vintage Creep]

My guess is that for Christmas a new pack of characters will be announced, probably a newcomer and two returning (Wolf and possibly Squirtle is my guess, or maybe even Pichu just to push the Melee nostalgia, even if Snake and Ice Climbers would be the best choice). As of the newcomer, the possibilities are literally endless. I wonder if it's yet again another third party.

Characters I think won't be in the next DLC:

- Inklings. For some reason I think they're going to hold off on them for the next Smash Bros. on NX, which is coming sooner than we think imho (maybe 2018). Inklings would definitely push the next installment.
- King K. Rool and Ridley. I still think they'll get in eventually, but probably as a result of the Smash Ballot. I don't think the probable November/December DLC will be about the Ballot since it's just ended.

 

[JaidynReiman]

My guess is that for Christmas a new pack of characters will be announced, probably a newcomer and two returning (Wolf and possibly Squirtle is my guess, or maybe even Pichu just to push the Melee nostalgia, even if Snake and Ice Climbers would be the best choice). As of the newcomer, the possibilities are literally endless. I wonder if it's yet again another third party.

I doubt we'll get another third-party (yet), and I highly doubt we'll get more than one more veteran. It'd probably be two newcomers and Wolf, or just two newcomers, or one newcomer and Wolf. I don't see more than one more veteran happening. The only real candidate people are pushing heavily for is Wolf anyway.

 

[Vintage Creep]

I doubt we'll get another third-party (yet), and I highly doubt we'll get more than one more veteran. It'd probably be two newcomers and Wolf, or just two newcomers, or one newcomer and Wolf. I don't see more than one more veteran happening. The only real candidate people are pushing heavily for is Wolf anyway.

Why not? They added three returning characters before the newcomer. They're obviously easier to make and make a quick buck (except maybe Mewtwo).
If I had to guess, the next pack will be: Wolf, another returning character (probably a Pokémon) and Balloon Fighter. I say Balloon Fighter because it's a nice touch since Iwata's passing, and they could implement it in somehow. I don't think it would be cynical or anything, just a pretty nice tribute. I think Sakurai pushed for something like this knowing the guy.

 

[TiaSilvia]

If the Wolf DLC to promote Star Fox Zero is a thing, do you guys think they will stick to the plans and release him on november or they will delay him as Star Fox was also delayed?

 

[LIQUID12A]

If the Wolf DLC to promote Star Fox Zero is a thing, do you guys think they will stick to the plans and release him on november or they will delay him as Star Fox was also delayed?

Even if promotion via actual character DLC were a thing, which it isn't, it makes no sense to delay Wolf until Spring(that is, if he's even coming, we don't know that). If they want the fans to be happy, why not do it sooner?

Unless they hypothetically barely begin work on Wolf in November, I see no reason for it to come later.

 

[Wolfie557]

I think we'd get one or the other, not both. Indies are third-parties as well. I can see one, and only one, getting in, because the licensing is very tight.



It'd be nice if you can provide a source. If its about a "leak" being debunked, that doesn't deconfirm a character. All it does is deconfirm the leak itself, the character could still get in. If Yacht Club said on Twitter Shovel Knight isn't in Smash, it only means Shovel Knight isn't in Smash RIGHT NOW, but he could be added later.

If its about the Tamaki rumor, the rumor was only about Shovel Knight being added to Smash (or just announced) within the next few months, that can be anytime really.


I don't think Shovel Knight is getting in, but I don't see anything to suggest he's deconfirmed.

I know indies are still 3rd parties. I just see 2 anyway despite the supposedly tight licensing.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Why not? They added three returning characters before the newcomer. They're obviously easier to make and make a quick buck (except maybe Mewtwo).
If I had to guess, the next pack will be: Wolf, another returning character (probably a Pokémon) and Balloon Fighter. I say Balloon Fighter because it's a nice touch since Iwata's passing, and they could implement it in somehow. I don't think it would be cynical or anything, just a pretty nice tribute. I think Sakurai pushed for something like this knowing the guy.

Mewtwo and Roy were made by scratch. Only Brawl veterans are easier to make, and the only one left that's not Konami or impossible because of technical issues is Wolf