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Guide to learning Princess Peach (Competitive)
Alright I decided to take the time and make a guide on how to use Peach well. This guide is not like others. I wont explain what % her attacks do and all. I will explain steps that you need to work on to get good with Peach.
Index-
1. Learn what your character (Peach) is like
2. Peaches problems in brawl
3. Peaches strengths in brawl
4. Learn control over Peach
5. Floating
6. Edgeguarding
7. Spacing
8. Approaching
9. Second jump tricks
10. Advance Techs
11. Turnip pressure
12. Turnip Damage with range
13. Turnip juggle
14. Combos
15. Learn your match ups
16. Lasering Falco
17. Dark.Pch strat to kill better
18. How to use your upthrow
19. Fsmash and their uses
20. Using turnips the right way
21. Killing with Peach (advance)
22. How to use Dtilt
23. Common Mistakes
Updates:
Turnip Juggle
second post contains match up info from me with Falco, Pika, Lucario, ZZS and IC.
1- Learn what your character (Peach) is like:
Peach was not like she was in melee at. Some of her strong points in melee got weak in brawl. And cause of that, many have just giving up on her. I will say its more of a pain to win with Peach now. Its no easy task at all. But once you get settled with what she can and cant do, the rest is up to you. Don't be fooled by people bashing Peach, you will hear that alot. Peach has potential. But it takes alot of work with this character. so if you dont wanna work that hard with Peach, this is not the character for you. And wishing she was like melee wont get you anywhere. Also Peach is a defensive time of character. If you plan to go offensive with her, make sure you understand Your taking a risk and that you know how to handle yourself. Peach can be played offensive. But you have to play with care. Not just throwing out attacks and hoping it will it. game is based on skills, not lucky shots. think about all your moves. Don't just attack out of random and have no idea if you are gonna hit. make sure you are gonna land the attack
Changes from Melee to brawl:
* Dash attack does two hits
* Down Smash has been incredibly nerfed (less damage + range + knockback)
* Turnips disappear when they hit a shield or attack
* Larger chance of pulling a Beam Sword, Bob-omb, or Mr. Saturn when Vegetable is used
* Aerials have less lag
* Aerial movement speed has decreased, no longer in the Top 5 like it was in Melee
* Peach Bomber releases a cloud of hearts instead of an explosion (possibly a homage to Super Princess Peach)
* Parasol design is from Super Paper Mario
* Second jump has become much shorter with lesser animations
* Peach Bomber covers more distance than in Melee
* Similar to the Peach Bomber, her up-tilt now releases a small cloud of hearts instead of a headbutt
* Parasol does more horizontal recovery
* Parasol and Toad can KO now
* Different Voice Actress. (Peach was voiced by Jen Taylor in Melee, while Samantha Kelly voices Peach in Brawl)
* New, carefree walk animation.
* Updated look from recent appearances
* Back Air and N-Air does two hits if angled correctly
* Forward throw has been nerfed
2- Peaches problems in brawl: A- Killing with Peach.
So lets start with what her problems are in brawl. For one thing, Some may have trouble killing with peach. or setting up for the final blow. problem is sometimes you have to use the moves you would need to finishes your enemy off to begin with. But using the moves alot makes it weaker. So in a sense, it is hard to kill with peach. But depending on how you play, that task can be reduce. But also keep in mind on how smart your enemy is.
B- Her recovery.
You can be left a sitting duck in the air with Peach. Recovering from the skies back to the stage can be a problem as well since she fall slow in the air. You can get juggled easy cause of this. So you need to be very careful when recovering to the stage. And when you land while in your Up-B animation, you will lag. Its not like melee when you touch the floor and you can move right after. So recover with care. also a tip, when you are coming down from the skies and did not use your Up-B, Dont try to attack while recovering. Its safe to just try to land without getting hit. a times you may be able to get a dair or w/e air attack in. But make sure you know you can hit. get the timing and spacing down right. Cause just doing that your putting yourself at risk for a KO. Your mission at this point is to land safe on the stage.
C- Dsmash.
One of the many reasons People complain about Peach or left her. Her Dsmash got weak. and cant kill. Its pretty much the same as in melee, but you cant kill with it and has less power.
D- No Float Cancel.
FC (Float cancel) was one of the best things Peach had in melee. it was about 80% of her game. She does not have that anymore. And so people wont get confused, FC is when you Float, do an air attack, then land and there is no lag after. Now it may seem like when you Float then do an air attack and land, you dont lag at all. Reason for that is if you land at the right time, you will auto cancel the move, so you can attack right after. try landing a Fair at different times while floating and watch you lag. So there is no FC for Peach.
E- Easily KO'ed.
You can die pretty quick with Peach due to her lightweight. there are some characters that can kill you at crazy %. So you have to be aware of that and be careful with how you handle yourself against them.
D- Her second jump.
it barely has any height. so you wont really get anywhere with it at all. But it does have its uses. Keep reading and you will see further in this guide.
Cons:
* Floaty.
* Slow dash speed (4th slowest dash speed in the game).
* Vertical recovery is rather poor.
* Shortest vertical mid-air jump in the game (Slightly shorter than Link's & Ganondorf's)
* Noticeable ending lag if you fail to connect with Peach Bomber.
* Dies vertically at relatively low percents.
* Her Turnips disappear once they hit a shield, which removes the possibility of using a turnip again
* hard to KO at moderate percentages
* Vegetables can be used against her
3- Peaches strengths in brawl:
A- Speed
Peach is a lil faster now in brawl. This is what I kinda wanted from her. A lil speed. I suggest you take this to your advantage. Combine her speed with your strats and use it well. it can mean alot on the battlefield.
B- Floating.
The best thing Peach has in this game IMO and what makes her play style so unique. Learn to Float and do air attacks with it. At the right height of floating, you can be immune to group attacks, and your air attacks can nail your enemy. Learn to control your floating. This is one of her keys to victory.
C-Kill Moves.
Though it may be a pain to kill with Peach at times, she does have a few kill options.
**= Can kill well with and mostly used for a finisher
* Can Kill but not as great as a kill move with 2 starts
- Fair **
- Bair **
- Nair
- Uair*
- Dair (% has to be quite high. Best to catch them in the air with it to make it a lil easier to kill with)
- Utilt **
- Ftilt *
- Dtilt (% has to be quite high)
- Fsmash **
- F-B (High damage or gimps)
-Up-B (% has to be pretty high. But this type of task can be easier if you do it high in the air or on a platform)
- Usmash**
- Turnips(Yes I am serious....turnips)**
- Toad (Yes......toad, but the % of the enemy has to be pretty darn high and it depends on character and stage.)
Now remember that this all depends on:
- How many times you used the attack
- Stage
- character you are playing
- the % or the enemy
- What part of the stage you are on when you unleashed the attack.
So now you guys know what type of character she is, her good and bad sides as well. Once you understood all of this fully, lets put Peach to work.
D- Turnips
Another good thing about Peach. You can do so many things with turnips. Its a another big part of Peaches style. you can attack in the air while floating and still have one in your hand. It can lead to set ups. Traps. Play around with it and thing of creative strats. also here is a tip that can go a long way. When you have a turnip in your hand, your enemy is now put on the defensive for they dont wanna get hit with it. Now you can use that to your advantage with tricks and playing with the enemies head.
Pros:
* Can Float.
* Auto-Floating allows use of aerials at ground level, allowing for a highly-integrated ground and air game, and removing the need for dashing
* Between the float, her second jump, her parasol, and small contributions by the Peach Bomber and Toad, she has one of the longest and most versatile horizontal recoveries in the game.
* Her Turnips are useful projectiles, especially for edgeguarding.
* There is a chance of pulling a Bob-omb or Beam Sword when using Vegetable.
* There is a 1/58 chance that she can pull a Vegetable that deals 30% damage or more.
* Down Smash is quick and has several powerful, high priority hits.
* Neutral attack slap is good for disrupting combos and grabs, as well as starting combos of her own.
* When Parasol is canceled in midair, it can be opened up again.
* Forward Aerial Crown Slap is a great horizontal killer.
* Turnips can be used over and over.
* Can Glide Toss her Turnips.
* Turnips disappear once they touch a shield
* Remarkably long horizontal recovery if her float is intact
* Quick, effective close-up game
* Amazing edgeguarder
* Can chain throw medium-heavy weight characters with Down Throw
* Turnips are excellent for camping, lead ins, and edgeguarding
* D-tilt can meteor smash opponents in the air trying to recover back to stages
4- Learn control over Peach:
With steps 1-3, you already have a good idea of how Peach is and what she can do. Now now its time to get use to the fell of Peach. Think about what is best at the moment you execute an attack, move. Learn the timing of your attacks. the range. hit boxes. Moving Peach around and getting use to her speed of play on the field. Know when your attacks end and the range of them. This can help you in many ways in a fight. Also helps you make the right choices in a fight depend on how close you are to your enemy and the % they have. Also platforms play a role in this as well. Once you feel smooth using peach, your already on the right track.
5- Floating:
So now you got the hang of Peach. Your use to all of her attacks. range, etc. Peach feels like second nature to you. a reflex. But there is something else you have to get use to as well. you now have to combine all of that with some floating. Floating into air attacks Is a great way to deal some damage. it makes it harder for your enemy to hit you while at the same time. You can hit them with not much trouble. Here is what you get out of floating:
- You become hard to hit.
- Great for evasion
- Great to approach.
- Great for spacing
- You can get by projectiles just by floating over them.
- You can evade and attack at the same time.
From VaNz:
"yeah, it's a technique that most people already know about given that it was a staple technique for melee peach users.
it can be useful in brawl as well for
- Spaced Fair > land + roll dodge away
- D-air sheild pokes really well from the "low float" (that's what i've always called it)
- Uair land > Utilt
- moving in with a kill move ready (Nair, Fair, Bair)
- using it as a mindgame to create the illusion that you are going to attack. (my favorite method) you can use this method many ways. such as approaching with float, quickly land, and that rush w/ dash grab. or weave in and out draw out an attack, say.. marth's Fsmash, than punish."
But to do all of this you gotta have good control of floating. The height that you float matters how one can hit you. Also how you can not be touched so easy while you unleash your air attacks. When floating try to float at the height of the enemies head. Thats usually the safe zone. then Kick them with a Dair. Make her feet touch the head of the enemy. They cant touch you with ground attack. (Be aware that some characters have ground attacks that can hit you out of floating so you have to space yourself well in this case.) also some heights of floating may not work all the time. So switch it up when the time comes.
6- Edgeguarding:
Peach is one of the best edge guards in the game. Her floating and turnips combined can lead to great ways to edgeguard. You can set up traps with turnips. and if they manage to avoid the turnips, they still have to deal with you, which then you follow up with something after the turnip. though some characters are a pain to keep out the stage. So learn how your enemy recovers and then take it from there. This may take some time to get use to. So dont stress it. But learn ways to keep your enemy out. be creative and play it smart.
7- Spacing
Peach is great at spacing. And mixed with her Floating Where you can move back and fourth when you please, Peach can be harder to hit then people think. Fair and Back air are good for spacing. For those not good or familiar with spacing with peach here is how it goes. When you Float and do a fair or bair, Move back a lil. Now if you miss or they sheild your attack, they cant really punish you for it cause you backed away while attacking, thus your to hard to hit. Try to hit with the tip of the attack. Your wont be that close to get punished if you miss or they block your attack. Also the height where you float depends on this kind of spacing. You can also space on the ground. Just by hitting with the tip of your attacks. Spacing may take some time to get use too. so just work at how you aim your attacks.
8- Approaching:
Peach has many ways to approach. It all depends on character cause some can kill some of your approaches. Here is a list of a Few.
- Fair
- FC>Fair
- Dair
- FC>Dair
- FC>Nair
- Turnip>Fair
- FC>Turnip>Fair
- Bair
- Glide tossing
- Nair
Advance approaches:
- Glide toss> FC>Nair
- Glide toss>reverse Bair
- Glide toss>Nair
- Glide toss>Grab
- Reverse Glide toss> Dsmash or Fsmash
- Reverse Glide toss> Bair
9- Second jump tricks:
While her second jump has barley any height, it has great uses on the edge. you can ledge hop to Fair or Nair. You can also stall on the edge till you see an opening to get back on. If you did not waste your second jump, you can let go of the edge, jump back soon after you let go and Float to an air attack and take it from there. And if you have a turnip in your hand while you are hanging, you can use the second jump to get back on while you throw it on the stage. another good way to recover.
10-Advance Techs:
Peach has alot of advance techs that she can use and help her out in battle. Here is the list of them and how it is done as well as a video to show you how it looks like.
[Glide Tossing]- As soon as you roll, toss the turnip up, down, left, or right and you will glide in the direction you rolled and toss the turnip. its easier if you use the c-stick to toss the turnip. You can glide toss foward or backwards. and toss the turnip in any direction you want.
Video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_-qWE3N84g
[Dtilt Cancel Glide]- If you Dtilt with Peach and time a move right as she pulls back, you will glide backwards while doing your attack. You can do this with jumping too. Takes practice but once you get the hang of it, its quite easy. And it is good for spacing.
Video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DKbKcTIlPI&feature=related
[Turnip Cancel]- You can pull a turnip out and cancel the animation half way off a platform or the edge. Run to the edge of the platform or edge and pull a turnip, as soon as you do it, hold it to the stick to the direction you was running. Done right and you can pull one off the edge/platform.
Here is the trick to do it, that people fail to realize or noticed. Just Run and pull a turnip towards the middle of the stage................Ok, Now do it but this time, after you pluck a turnip, Hold the control stick Foward. Noticed how Peach slides.
Now Run towards the edge, get a turnip and as soon as she goes to pull one out, hold the stick foward, and Peach will slide off and get a turnip. Thats how you REALLY do it. some people run to the edge and pull one out but dont hold the control stick foward. Thus you wont slide and can't turnip cancel.
Video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvFUOowcLa0&NR=1
[Turnip free Pull]- Video explains it all plus a couple of bonus tricks
Video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FieBCZAn_o0
[Floatland]- If you did not waste your float, you can do this by jumping off the edge and float. As soon as you hop off the edge., let go of it.
Video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPYB1zqJ810
[Dtilt Spike]- Here is a video explaining how to get a spike off of her Dtilt And Yes, this can be done off the edge for an official spike. For those who have trouble reading the text on the video:
You have to Dtilt Before it comes in contact with the enemy. if you do it as soon as your enemy is about to touch the floor, you won't spike with the Dtilt.
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfafXVa9Xmk&fmt=18
[Reverse Peach bomber and Toad Technique. (Fair ledge cancel *bonus*)]- To do reverse bomber, you have to dash. And as soon as you hit B, quickly tap the stick in the other direction. Done right, You will F-B the other way from your dash animation.
For the reverse toad, Do you a dash and hit the control stick the other way. As soon as you tap the stick, let go of it quickly and hit B. Done right Peach will stop and toad in the other direction.
If you do a fair on stage from the edge fast enough, you can attack with Fair and it will auto cancel and you can do w/e you want right after. fair is the only air move that lags if you land at the wrong. if you unleash the attack and Peach's arm does not swing all the way down a few frames before the attack is over, you will lag.
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2MD77y4eqw&feature=channel_page&fmt=18
11- Turnip pressure.
I was playing A friend of mine not too long ago in a Peach ditto when I Started doing what I call the "turnip Pressure" I did this out of random and it seem like it would do some justice.
Basiclly how you do it is you Fair>Turnip>Jab> repeat the cycle from your Fair. The trick is, you have to grab the turnip within the jab OR if you are fast enough you can jab, then grab it and do a Fair then throw the turnip to a jab. Its good to pressure the shield and it eats the shield Pretty well. And then it makes it easy to shield stab, thus a free hit even when they shield. I jab one time to a Fair. You can jab twice but It may slow down the Pressure and also you cant get your Fair out fast enough as if you were to jab once. But Here is a trick with that.
if you hit them or thier shield with a turnip and you jab twice, If you can get the turnip with in the second Jab then you can throw it to a space Fair then go on with the pressure.
Ha ha, This is something I just came up with trying to be creative with Peach and make up random stuff. But I think its pretty cool and very useful.
EDIT- I thought of another way to do it. you can just Turnip to Fair and repeat Catch the turnip within the Fair. then throw it, then repeat it. Space yourself well and you will see just how hard it is to get hit, at the same time thier shield is getting eaten alive. Another good way to pressure and get a free hit off thier shield.
12- Turnip Damage with range:
The closer you are to the enemy when you throw them, the more damage it does. I noticed this while I was playing with the help menu. Here is a list of how much Power Each turnip has thrown up close when you throw it and smash throw it.
Regular turnips: =)
Regular throw- 9%
Smash throw- 12%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a regular throw- 5%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a Smash throw- 6%
Thrown in the air with a regular throw- 7%
Thrown in the air with smash throw-7%
Ditto turnip:
Regular throw- 19%
Smash throw- 22%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a regular throw- 15%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a Smash throw- 16%
Thrown in the air with a regular throw- 17%
Thrown in the air with smash throw-17%
Bored/tired turnip: -.-
Regular throw- 9%
Smash throw- 12%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a regular throw- 5%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a Smash throw- 6%
Thrown in the air with a regular throw- 7%
Thrown in the air with smash throw-7%
Winky/ow turnip: ;o
Regular throw- 13%
Smash throw- 16%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a regular throw- 9%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a Smash throw- 10%
Thrown in the air with a regular throw- 11%
Thrown in the air with smash throw-11%
Shocked turnip: O.O
Regular throw- 9%
Smash throw- 12%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a regular throw- 5%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a Smash throw- 6%
Thrown in the air with a regular throw- 7%
Thrown in the air with smash throw-7%
Sleepy turnip: -_-
Regular throw- 9%
Smash throw- 12%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a regular throw- 5%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a Smash throw- 6%
Thrown in the air with a regular throw- 7%
Thrown in the air with smash throw-7%
Laughing turnip :D
Regular throw- 9%
Smash throw- 12%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a regular throw- 5%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a Smash throw- 6%
Thrown in the air with a regular throw- 7%
Thrown in the air with smash throw-7%
Stichface: X_X
Regular throw- 37%
Smash throw- 40%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a regular throw- 33%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a Smash throw- 32%
Thrown in the air with a regular throw- 31%
Thrown in the air with smash throw-31%
Bonus- items
Mr. Saturn-
Regular throw- 6%
Smash throw- 8%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a regular throw- 5%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a Smash throw- 6%
Thrown in the air with a regular throw- 5%
Thrown in the air with smash throw-6%
Beam sword-
Regular throw- 12%
Smash throw- 15%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a regular throw- 12%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a Smash throw- 15%
Thrown in the air with a regular throw- 12%
Thrown in the air with smash throw-12%
Bomb-
Regular throw- 32%
Smash throw- 35%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a regular throw- 31%
Thrown with a lil more space in between with a Smash throw- 35%
Thrown in the air with a regular throw- 33%
Thrown in the air with smash throw-34%
So good distance with glide tossing matters and the space with you and your enemy to get good damage off of turnips. These can be one of the most powerful projectiles in the game and good at racking damage, and can be used again. So if you spam them on someone and they cry about it, screw em. What you may lack in killing, you make up for racking up damage, like with turnips, then go in for the kill.
13- Turnip Juggle
Few of you may have heard of me talking about this. Now what is it exactly for those that don't know? Well it's just as the title says. You are juggling turnips. You can juggle up to three at a time. Here is how it is done and its uses,
You grab a turnip, toss it up, grab another one, toss that up, then jump and Z grab the first you toss and toss it up again and do the same for the second. Then grab another. If you want you chain 2 turnip juggles and toss it off stage, so you have 2 turnips going out at the anemy, then you can follw up with an assult. You can aslo link a turnip juggle to a turnip cancel off stages. To cover more vertical range. And even horizontal range. Then go in for an assult of bait moves/airdodges and attack. You can have about three turnips guarding the air at once. Even 4. You would have to tunip juggle, Then platform cancel a turnip and toss it up. Then run back and quickly do it again as the turnip is about to come down and durnip cancel to a Z drop and grab the air. Do you realize how much you have covered? Just picture it for a min.
Working with this some more, I noticed you can do it with three. Here is how. Grab a turnip, toss it up, grab another and toss it up. Grab a third one and toss it up. Now remember the first one you toss? By the time you toss the third one, the first will be in your face. But you won't have time to Z grab it. Sp Just Tap A. And Peach will just grab it. Then toss it up agaib. And repeat with the other 2. Once you toss that last one for a second time, it will vanish in the air. And this is where you start from step one to perform the juggle.
Now, when you catch the third one with her Jab, you can jump, toss it in the air and then isntantly Z grab the other 2 and toss them in the air. Ether way you will create a nice wall if done correctly. three turnips at a time if you do this correctly will be on stage. And at least one will always be on the stage no matter what.
Now here is a lil somthing I thought of with this. I was praticeing this in training mode. When I said to myself "I have all these turnips out here at once. it be nice to send an army of them off the stage to the enemy at one time" So was thinking how this can be done. And I figure it out. There is something called instant throw. it's where you grab an item by air dodging and quicky toss it. Like as soon as you grab it from an air dodge. it takes pratice and timing. but it is not that hard.
So How would this work out? Start the tunip juggle. When you grab the third one with her Jab, toss it out the stage quickly. Then instant throw the last 2 that come down. You will send a barrage of turnips at the enemy. making it a pain to get back. And can time an edgehog or an air assult for the K.O Can even lead to a gimp. From doing this, 2 turnips can be right close to each other back to back. And there be a lil distance between the other one. So incase people wanna be bold and dodge or even catch one air bor., they still have 1-2 more turnips to deal with. I call this one "the turnip barrage"
Now this is really putting that instant throw to use. Also from the turnip juggle, You can create a temperary wall in front of you. When you toss all three in the air, get them and jump, Z-drop and then do the same with the others. You can do this while move back a lil for evasion. Or to set stuff up. Be creative with it.
I love doing all this. Edgeguarding has never been more fun. You can also do the juggle with turnip cancles off the platforms/edges. Like on battlefield. turnip cancel off the top platform, then do the same off the other. Then start the juggle grounded. You may be able to have more then three turnips on the statr for more longer juggles. his is good of characters are over the stage comming down. if done on the top platform on battlefield. Do the turnip cancels in this direction:
----------->
<---------
Or
<--------
------->
That way it is all lined up before you touch the ground. But you can go in a straight directions from platforms if you wanna keep a lil wave going. This also has it's uses. And for faster juggles, do this with the instant toss. Takes time getting use to all of this and you need goof reaction speed. if you are slow while doing all of this, It wont work too well.
14- Combos:
Peach is good at racking up damage quick with the combos she has in this came. mostly do to her Dair. Here are a list of them
Basic combos
-Dthrow>uptilt
-Dair>Nair
-Dair>Uair
-Dair>Fair
-Dair>Bair
-Jab>Dtilt
-Jab>grab
-Jab>Nair
-Jab>Nair
-Turnip>fair
-Turnip>Nair
Advance combos ( you would need good control of Peach and her floating as well)-
*= Depends on where your enemy is/goes after the first or second hit of the combo
-*Dair>Dair>Fair
-Dair>Dair
-Dair>Dair>Dair
-Dair>Dair>Dair>Uair
-*Dair>Dair>Dair>Uair>Up-B
-*Dair>Dair>falling Dair>Usmash/Utilt/Up-B
-*Dthrow>Ftilt>Uptilt/Usmash/Up-B
-*Dthrow>Ftilt>Jab>grab>Dthrow>Utilt/Uair/Up-B
-Bair>grab
-Fair>Jab>grab> (look at the list of what you can do after grabs)
-*Falling Dair>Jab>(look at the list of what you can do after jabs/grabs)
-*Falling Dair> Usmash/Utilt/Up-B/Nair/Bair
15- Learn your match ups.
Now that you know all of this, your final step to having a good Peach is learning how to fight the characters in the game. But all this stuff to use and learn how to fight different characters. Learn what works, doesn't work. maybe you need to be defensive more than anything. have different strats for the characters you fight against. If something is not working switch it up. Use all the tools you learn worked on and learn to help you in these fights. Some characters are hell for peach, so it will take time to finally figure out your own way to handle them and win. And it will be no easy task at all. Different players of skill play characters different. so you will always have to get use to what is going on. But if you know how to deal with the character, thats half the battle. The other half is how the player uses that character against you. and its up to you to figure out a way to deal with it even if you know the match up.
16- Lasering Falco
He can easily shoot you down. So being in the air 2 much is not always a good option. So your bound to the ground most of the time. But I did notice the pattern of the camping.
If Falco shots a laser grounded, he can't move. he will lag while putting the gun away. Now while he shoots in the air, he wont lag will firing. Even if he touches the ground while in the middle of firing, it will cancel out the lag, so he can do anything he wants soon after.
limit your floating here when getting close to him. You can Float to get to falco but you pretty much leave yourself open and you have to be high in the air. And if you come down with a Fair. It can be quite obvious and Falco will just roll away or run and lazer some more.
When Falco shoots on in the air, that is your chance to get a few feet close to him. You can get a turnip the first time. Second time he shoots in the air, you can run or glide toss to get close. In order for falco to keep lasering you he has to jump in the air to get close or retreat. Him being in the air is your chance to get close or get a turnip.
Floating at normal height will get you shot down and being too high will not do much to get a clean shot on falco. And falling to a Fair is too obvious. But what you can do if do a falling Dair to him in certiain cases. though I dont recommended it too much. But the Dair stabs shields so its a lil tatic to keep in mind if you know where he is gonna go.
Also when Falco is doing a falling laser, You can get hit trying to get close by ground. But I think you can crouch or pull at turnip at this time to evade the falling laser. though this may not always work depending on the falling height he shoots.
17- Dark.Pch strat to kill better
Save your moves that you need for killing. Use lots of jabs, get damage off of grabbing. When you grab them don't always launch them so fast. Kick them a few good times then toss them. N-air cant kill so well so use that alot. Dair helps since its not a Kill move. Space dtilts. And turnips. Once you get them to a good % Now you can fely on your kills moves like Fsmash and Up smash. Your fair and bairs, even upairs. uptilt as well. Try to save your most important moves to kill. Cause when you get them to that good %, all of your kill moves will be at full power. And it will be less of a struggle to kill
18- How to use your upthrow
At 50% and over, you really can't combo into anything. if you was to Fthrow them and Back throw them, then what. They are out of your range. and have to repeat the process of approaching them again. When you up throw them, They are over you, you can use turnips to at least hit them, or make it harder for them to touch the floor. And set up to land an attack on them. This is the more better ways to hit someone after a throw. This is center stage though. Near the edge you can just toss them out. but with some characters, Like DDD, DK, you are not gonna kill them off of a throw. So the hell with that right? Toss them up and get extra hits of of turnips, and even if that dont hit, they have to worry about evading them and then you hitting them while trying to land saftley to the floor. They will still Be in your attack range for turnips and even finishers more than any other throw at 50%+
19- Fsmash and their uses
Racket:
it is good for killing horizontally. and it launches you really quick when you sweetspot it., Also it can be a semi spike cause while you travel, you get sent downward a lil. In melee it was like that as well. But in melee the Racket laucnhed you more downard. In brawl that distance was reduced a lil. This is good against Fast fallers/heavy characters. I have killed a DeDeDe at 110-120 with this move sweetspotted. he just got launched. This move can also be used against light characters to kill them well. But has the best affect of fastfallers/heavy characters.
Golf club:
It can be a good kill move but not all that as much as a racket. This usually depends on the DI and where you hit with the golf club. That move pakcs a punch sweetspotted. That move usually sends people both vertical and horizontal.
Pan:
This move Also packs heat, But launches you mainly upward. This is usually best for light characters to get the best kills off.
While all moves have different affect for all types of characters,the problem is it just comes out at random, you can't tell what move you will get. But the good thing to it is, you will never be ready to DI in the proper direction. So that makes up for it.
20- Using turnips the right way
turnips are not a weapon for damage. You just don't get one and toss them hoping to hit one. Turnips are a damm mindgame. Just by holding a turnip in your hand. You are already toying with your opponents head. When you get one, it buts your opponent on the defense cause they do not wanna get hit. You did not have to do anything to them to screw with them. Turnips are a tool to mess with the mind and THEN get your damage off.
"pluck turnip"
"toss it"
NO!^ There is about maybe 6 steps before you toss it. Also Peach can fight with items in her hand via floating. And she can bring that Floating to the ground for more of a confusing. Your opponent won't be able to tell when you will toss the damm turnip. She is like the drunken master. Maybe His wife, w/e. Just holding that thing in your hand can lead to so much confusing. Hell, might even confuse the hell out of you. Yes it is that serious.
21- Killing with Peach (advance)
Yes Peach is not one of the best killers. But I tell you this, Nether are characters like Falco. Yet cause there is a lot more to this character, he can make up for it. I'll let Falco players explain that situation.
First in the words of Mikey Lenetia:
"One thing to use an aggressive style is to know EXACTLY when moves will work and when they won't, and not limiting yourself to only a few moves because of them not doing a lot of damage.
Jabs, dair, turnips, dash attack, grabs, everything HAS to be used so that when you finally get around to the higher percents, they'll do a heck of a lot more. Don't worry about using powerful moves, but... don't abuse them. What I mean by what I say is that you have to have a mix of the weaker attacks that don't send far(including down smash, I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH, it's useful!) with the ones that do.
That way, even though you're aggressive and moving in and out of range, they really won't know what's going to come out. Also, the most important point that goes for Peach, in my opinion, across the board. Just because they're at percents that things like fair and usmash will kill doesn't mean it's then time to break out the killers. One, to keep them guessing even more and making it actually easier to land a fresh killer. Two, you also build enough damage so something they don't expect, like say uair, will kill."
Now words from me:
Save your moves that you need for killing. Use lots of jabs, get damage off of grabbing. When you grab them don't always launch them so fast. Kick them a few good times then toss them. N-air cant kill so well so use that alot. Dair helps since its not a Kill move. Space dtilts. And turnips. Once you get them to a good % Now you can fely on your kills moves like Fsmash and Up smash. Your fair and bairs, even upairs. uptilt as well. Try to save your most important moves to kill. Cause when you get them to that good %, all of your kill moves will be at full power. And it will be less of a struggle to kill.
Also Her upthrow can be a good tool for Killing.
"What, an Upthrow? the hell, How, that throw sucks and people hardly use it."
Oh? Well let me explain. At 50% and over, you really can't combo into anything. if you was to Fthrow them and Back throw them, then what. They are out of your range. and have to repeat the process of approaching them again. When you up throw them, They are over you, you can use turnips to at least hit them, or make it harder for them to touch the floor. And set up to land an attack on them. This is the more better ways to hit someone after a throw. This is center stage though. Near the edge you can just toss them out. but with some characters, Like DDD, DK, you are not gonna kill them off of a throw. So the hell with that right? Toss them up and get extra hits of of turnips, and even if that dont hit, they have to worry about evading them and then you hitting them while trying to land saftley to the floor. They will still Be in your attack range for turnips and even finishers more than any other throw at 50%+
Also she is good at racking up damage in w ways. Her Attacks and turnips. If you are gonna spam anything. it should not be your fair. it should be:
-Nair
-Dair
-Dtilt
-Jab
-Dsmash
-Turnips
-Grabs
-Up-B, used right and I am dead serious. 12% of damage I believe and good knock back at the final hit so you can't get punished for it that easy.
-Bair (sometimes.)
Uptilt (sometimes)
Uair (sometimes)
Now look at this list here. What is missing from here? Thats right, her kill options:
Fair
Fsmash
Upsmash.
The moves that have (somestimes) in them are moves that can kill as well but sometines are used to rack up damage, like within comboes. Now when I say spamm I don't mean be a dunce with the moves. uses them wall and with a brain to get some hits off. Then you still got your kill moves to kill earlier than expected. You can't just play Peach to play her. if your character can't just boldly kill, you can;t just go swinging attacks and playing so typical. This is why Peach does not get anywhere and people don't really see what she is about. Thus she is bias on her self and against characters. As well as people saying the typical stuff about her for over a year now.
"how can Peach rack up damage quick and early?"
Besides the chain grab we have:
Basic combos
-Dthrow>uptilt
-Dair>Nair
-Dair>Uair
-Dair>Fair
-Dair>Bair
-Jab>Dtilt
-Jab>grab
-Jab>Nair
-Jab>Nair
-Turnip>fair
-Turnip>Nair
Advance combos ( you would need good control of Peach and her floating as well)-
*= Depends on where your enemy is/goes after the first or second hit of the combo
-*Dair>Dair>Fair
-Dair>Dair
-Dair>Dair>Dair
-Dair>Dair>Dair>Uair
-*Dair>Dair>Dair>Uair>Up-B
-*Dair>Dair>falling Dair>Usmash/Utilt/Up-B
-*Dthrow>Ftilt>Uptilt/Usmash/Up-B
-*Dthrow>Ftilt>Jab>grab>Dthrow>Utilt/Uair/Up-B
-Bair>grab
-Fair>Jab>grab> (look at the list of what you can do after grabs)
-*Falling Dair>Jab>(look at the list of what you can do after jabs/grabs)
-*Falling Dair> Usmash/Utilt/Up-B/Nair/Bair
Now look at the list of moves I said to use alot that have (sometimes) in them. Then look at the combo list. Makes since to why it has (sometimes) next to them right you might already be using the move to get damage. So the won' be fresh for kill. other times they will.
Peach is like Chess, you just CAN'T go in there and say "ok, I wanna get this pawn with my rook" When there is a pawn right by it that can take you out. Now in Brawl terms.
You can just go swinging all your kill moves and all. You can get all the hits you wan't. Then when you get to that kill %, you are in trouble, you can't kill them at % they should be dead. And that sucks for you, and you already not a solid killer. oh man. then your enemy is gonna take you out easy. So you have to think how you gonna keep them kill moves fresh, and get your damage by new means. Peach and chess have something in common so you know.
22- How to use Dtilt
For one thing, you got the Dtilt Slide. It helps with my spacing and evasion. You get 2 things out of this. Really three cause you can counter attack. This is what I do with it:
Dtilt>slide>Jab
Dtilt>slide>Fsmash
Dtilt>slide>Ground Float>Fair
Dtilt>slide>Ground Float>Nair
Dtilt>slide>Turnip>Glide toss>Dtilt>slide> w/e you want after
Dtilt>slide>Toad (mindgame material)
Dtilt>slide>reverse bair
Dtilt>slide>Dair (if they come to you and wanna attack from the ground.)
Dtilt>slide>Dtilt>Slide>w/e
All this leads to many things and can be mixed and match. You can get pressure, spacing, evasion, and counter attacking all at once. And thanks to Peach's range, It would be hard for people to touch you. This is really effective against fast characters. This one thing improves Peach spacing by alot to create this annoying wall.
23- Ledge options
When on the ledge you do have options to get back on. You can Legde hop on to the stage to Jab if you feel your enemy is waiting to strike. Or do a jab combo, like Jab to w/e. Float under the stage to a Uair or Fair. You can Ledge hop on the stage to an auto canceled Fair. (need to have quick fingers for this.) Time a ledge hop to a toad if you think the enemy will strike then up-B to grab it again. You can ledge hop to Nair and do w/e from there. For stalls or bluffs you can let go of the ledge, go below and up-B over and over again. Yor pull back and F-B to the stage. (but be aware you can risk getting hit with this, so you have to be smart about it and know what you are doing)
24- Common Mistakes
Here are some quotes from the boards and common mistakes people make and think. Then under it stating what is wrong here.
Fair: "To be fair peach's Fair is a good kill move.........it's just always stale"
It's always stales cause Peach players would do anything to a Fair. That is one of Peachs abused moves from a typical Peach player. That is why it is always stale. I explained this already. It's not stale cause of the character. it is stale cause of the player.
" In related news, Peach has to "abuse" her FAir. Peach can't space worth a **** outside of her FAir, basically requiring its consistent use and making it no better a kill option than her weaker kill moves once that time comes. That's not a player flaw, that's a character flaw."
Who, who in the world said You have to abuse her fair? I can space like a God and not have to use that move to do it. She has more spacing options than that one move:
Bair
Nair (Yes I am serious ask NinjaLink how I spaced the hell out of him with this move. wether short hopping or ground floating
Ftilt
Dtilt (plus I can slide back to add spacing x2? What????????)
You don't have to abuse that move, get your spacing up with Peach or learn more about it.
Again its the players fault for not playing and thinking on point, not the character.
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I noticed that alot of people players are aggressive. like 95% of them. really when they first start her out. Peach is a character you can't be risking stuff. You can't be playing aggressive so loose when this increases the chances of not killing the enemy. This also increases punishment, and meta will have a freaking field day with you. Peach is a character you seriously need a defense and ground game with.
Peachs good quiality will be the end of you. What do I mean by that?:
Fair: Good move with Range and one of her beast killing moves and godly spacing tool that can be auto canceled.
It ends you because: people will be expecting it, you will be using it alot. you just cost yourself a killing move. You will get baited and be predictable. Most Fair to jabs. This is good but doing this over and over (really double jabbing) the player can just jab you our of shield. I do this to Peach players who go in for Fair to double jabs.
Floating: Good for evasion and being immune to most ground attacks while dishing out yours and you become hard to hit. Mix it up for shield pressure.
This sucks for you cause you will be doing this alot. Going for the obvious dairs or Fair to jabs. In nearly all Peach dittos I been in, all I do most of the time is uptilt out my shield to end all this. And other characters will hurt you more for it. You are also slow in floating speed. So if someone has a good roll, they will just be doing that and the match won't go anywhere (Lucario anyone?)
Dsmash: Good speed and has good priority and shield pokes. And has muti hits. Ok move to eat shields.
This move will end you cause most will do anything to a Dsmash.
- Fair>jab (all that was blocked) so Peach player gets scared and they roll/side step>dsmash
- Dair drop>Dsmash
-Roll/side step, Dsmash.
-On a platform>Dsmash
A few or many examples. Smart players will know this and will just get at you for it.
Turnips: So much you can do with them I have no need to explain the good on this.
This will end you because most just wanna get turnips so bad. In some Peach dittos I know when a player would go for a turnip so when they run I case them and keep going cause I would know they pull away and turnip. So that was a free grab or attack for me. Also people just like tossing them or floating to a turnip toss and Fair. All this and more is too expected.
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The next one would be people going on about the player behind tuff match ups. this destroys the true vision about looking and understanding the character fully in the match up. THEN, go on about the player behind them. The next thing is people abusing good moves of Peach, which people expect so much from her and just bait it, and then it's done
- Floating to Dairs
- Fair
- Dsmash
- Usmash (when a character is coming back on stage most Peach players rentlessly go for the move. Player weaves it and you open for a counter air/ground attack.
- Aggressive play
What? why I say aggressive? as I said before, no many are aggressive, this is getting rally old. You are not gonna get anyway with this, seen to many times. And it hurts Peach, she can't kill well. Being aggressive leads to:
- Obviously gameplay of Peach people will just shut down
- You are making it harder to kill than it should be
- You make a mistake and you are done, Peach is not fast, so you can't cover up or break away well from a mistake.
- Easy to punish.
- no to poor defense/ground game.
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Floating too much. makes you slow and you have no quick horizontal attack out side Nair. But the enemy has to be really close to you. Aside from that, You can be easy to hit with projectiles. And it is not hard to see what you are gonna do when coming to your enemy. You are nealy a sitting duck when floating.
-Your speed is reduced
-Easy to hit with Projectile/long range attacks
-Easy to read on incoming attacks
-Lil Horizontal Protection
I believe this concluded my guide on Peach. Remember, its hard to win with Peach against good players and the characters used. Peach is not easy to win with. It will take some time. and don't stress it if you lose. To get it right, you have to get it wrong first. play people who can abuse your mistakes alot. Good players. That will help you realize that what you are doing is costing you the match. And you will learn to switch up and think of a way to get at them. With hard work, Peach does her damage. and pretty damm good at that. It took me nearly 2 months to get to the level with peach that I am now. and that was not easy. I got beat alot and bad too. And I still feel I have many things to work on with my Peach. So take my word for it, Peach is gonna be hard work. But if you set your mind to it and work hard at it, you will slowly see improvement in your game. And will be a great Peach player that can beat the hell out of these characters that are so called the best. Its not impossible. Just work as hard as you can no matter how many times you lose. till you get it right and go for the win. Practice makes perfect.
