Help with edge guarding marth

[zedy]

I have been playing sheik for a very short time now and I absolutely love the play style of the character and I have gotten alright at edge guarding fox/falco because of my brother(who I play frequently). I also play against a marth who always gives me trouble I feel like I can win in the neutral most of the time but I always have a problem closing out the stock with a edge guard, please help

 

[jeremy bateman]

Do a lot of mind games to the marth and fake him out because most Marths will just throw out hitboxes to be safe. So if you have marth off the stage what do you normally do to try to edge guard?

 

[zedy]

Normally I will try short hop needle to be safe if I am not being safe I will try and drop down back air to keep him away.

 

[jeremy bateman]

Those are good options If not the hedgehog them after the needles

 

[AbraxasHydroplane]

While Marth is off stage, go straight for the ledge. No matter how he recovers, you'll have adequate time to punish from the ledge. If he goes for a low recovery to get right back on stage, ledge hop nair. If he goes for a high recovery, ledge hop/dash and punish his landing lag. Ledge hop back air is an AMAZING edge guarding tool against Marth, it outspaces all of his aerials and can get easy gimps if you hit with the very tip of the hit box.

Have your brother practice Marth against you at high percents in training and practice your edgeguards, they'll come to you pretty naturally. There is a reason Marth's hardest matchup is probably Sheik.

 

[zedy]

While Marth is off stage, go straight for the ledge. No matter how he recovers, you'll have adequate time to punish from the ledge. If he goes for a low recovery to get right back on stage, ledge hop nair. If he goes for a high recovery, ledge hop/dash and punish his landing lag. Ledge hop back air is an AMAZING edge guarding tool against Marth, it outspaces all of his aerials and can get easy gimps if you hit with the very tip of the hit box.

Have your brother practice Marth against you at high percents in training and practice your edgeguards, they'll come to you pretty naturally. There is a reason Marth's hardest matchup is probably Sheik.

Thanks I will try it today against the Marth player, hoping to get some easy kills.

 

[Sweet™]

Do the Marth Killer with light shield.

Why has no one mentioned this yet.

 

[greener123]

You gotta mix it up against Marth. You always want to be holding the ledge (unless you're doing the marth killer). The main thing you should be looking for though is a side-b from a recovering marth too close to you. There, you ledgedrop bair. Ledgedrop nairs are also really good, but punish the marth for lower recoveries.

Marth killer is good just because you can punish landing lag with a waveland backthrow or fair. However, it should really only be used at higher percents, as fairs and backthrows wont do much against a low percent marth.

Needle lower percent marths offstage or if you cant get to the ledge fast enough. It'll mess with their recovery. make sure to grab ledge though after the needle if you can to punish marths landing lag after up-b.