How do you fight ZSS as a Super heavy?

[Dε√ilj∦o]

Hi there. I'm an Incineroar and Bowser main. I consider myself to have a very good level at the game, I won a few local tournaments in my province, but although I didn't came across a ZSS in locals...

.. Online she's the only character in this whole roster that I cant seem to understand how to fight. Every ZSS player I come across does nothing but flee and jump the whole match and being untouchable, either by being too high, using the intangibility of down B to land safely, use airdodges, or only attacks with moves that are almost unpunishable such as Neutral air which has no endlag and high shieldstun, or Forward air, which crosses shields up.

Playing against a ZSS really feels helpless for me and it's exceedingly hard to keep composed against her as it's too hard to land moves on her because of her mobility and evasiveness and it's really easy to get punished by her, even if she doesn't have a high amount of kill power if she doesn't land a raw Up B (which is still very strong against super heavies)

I'm here to ask for tips basically, from you ZSS players.

 

[Downshift]

I basically lick my chops when I go up against a Bowser, DK or Incineroar as ZSS; they're probaly her best matchups because she's faster, can outrange them and also has low percentage KO options that can skill KO heavies at around 120%.
It's just gonna be hard matchup, period.

That said, I'd look for footage of high level heavy mains taking on ZSS's on stream. Like this:

One thing to note is that ZSS lives and dies by the Bait&Punish.
Many of her KO options like Boost Kick, Flip Kick, and Fsmash have significant ending lag, at least by Ultimate's standards. Her grab also has a ton of lag if whiffed, as you can see at the end of the above video.
I'd recommend playing around as ZSS for a bit to get a feel for her movement and attacks. Then take her online and see when you get punished and when opponents are finding windows to put you in disadvantage. Those are the windows you want to exploit when fighting her. Regardless, I'd definitely go Bowser against her instead of using Incineroar. You're gonna need that rushdown mobility.

 

[SamusIsMommy22]

I know you likely are not active anymore, but here are my tips.
It is nearly impossible to catch ZSS with any charecter, esppecially a heavyweight, so wait for her to come to you, that is the best option. ZSS is a quick charecter, great for combos, so try not to let her get any combos on you, especially ones in the air. It also helps if you have long range attacks, such as King K Roll's canon move and Dedede's spiky urchin thingy move. (I sound very porfessional I know.) Again, don't try to catch her, its pointless.

 

[Janx_uwu]

Bowser Up Smash is invincible on the shell, so use that to call out the Down B from ledge that Zero Suit's are always itching to pull off. For Incin you can counter it with rage and immediately try to command grab her while you're both still near the ledge.

Don't use Flamethrower unless you're under a platform or if you're catching a low recovery with it. Otherwise it's a free bury for her.

I don't know as much about Incin but keep her juggled and side b her aggressive landings.

 

[SamusIsMommy22]

Bowser Up Smash is invincible on the shell, so use that to call out the Down B from ledge that Zero Suit's are always itching to pull off. For Incin you can counter it with rage and immediately try to command grab her while you're both still near the ledge.

Don't use Flamethrower unless you're under a platform or if you're catching a low recovery with it. Otherwise it's a free bury for her.

I don't know as much about Incin but keep her juggled and side b her aggressive landings.

Lol love your location.

 

[Veca Gorebyss]

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just for me to answer. because is fun.

but.

im sure it has something to do with his up b on the ground. and his down smash.

i havent played as smash ultimate bowser though. i dont know his comboing potential with those moves. the various hitboxes.

but. is very obvious with this matchup that should not use middle up air and stuff.

youll find maybe hes just outmatched unless applicable philosophy about him being on same team with another helper.

pretty much. and okay. thanks.


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