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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread
- Thread starter Linguini
- Start date
rofl. I don't know what else to do. People are switching to falco and fox in my area... like all of them, we only have one marth player now. And i'm getting autocomboed by people that have just picked up falco. Like today was my worst run at my weekly so far. Our puff player literally did nothing but space bairs into my shield for 7 minutes straight. Then a brand new falco played me in friendlies, showed me that all he had learned was SH Laser and he bodied me on final destination. Like... it feels like any minor amount of skill is enough to trump 8 months of ganon play and it just gets me salty. So IDK what to do lol.
It's annoying to get autocomboed no matter what my DI is and only be able to get anything going... when they mess up xD like everyone here is learning to play as lame as possible.
It's annoying to get autocomboed no matter what my DI is and only be able to get anything going... when they mess up xD like everyone here is learning to play as lame as possible.
Linguini
Smash Master
Some good matches went down today. Videos recorded vs druggedfox, gravy, jason, and porkchops. Lost to Drugged 3-0 and gravy 3-1. At least put up a fight tho. Beat jason 3-0 and porkchops 2-0.
Jason shoulda beat gravy he just booked hsi own flight to gotem -_-
Also some ****ing hilarious ganon doubles matches recorded of me and tippy vs jason and ace...hype!
Jason shoulda beat gravy he just booked hsi own flight to gotem -_-
Also some ****ing hilarious ganon doubles matches recorded of me and tippy vs jason and ace...hype!
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Gotem City Vigilante
Yeah I know Jason's back hurt from carrying the team lol
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Gotem City Vigilante
ForTheLulz
Smash Apprentice
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Gotem City Vigilante
#20SD lolGo kill yourselves >
X WaNtEd X
Smash Lord
Is there a bar at your venue or something? I keep hearing about getting drunk during the tournament.
Our main weekly venue used to be the bar of a Japanese steak house (sake for days) but now we're in a church :/
Our main weekly venue used to be the bar of a Japanese steak house (sake for days) but now we're in a church :/
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Gotem City Vigilante
It's literally at a casino lol. Temptation always gets me. Those long island iced teas haha. Sounds like I just John about it but at the end of the day I go to have fun, and fun was had. Thought we were going to have a rap battle on stream at one point lol.
ForTheLulz
Smash Apprentice
All you netplay ganons need to step it up
this is a disgrace
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Gotem City Vigilante
I'd def like to play hbox's Ganon.
Coastward
Smash Lord
i feel like netplay would be easy as ****
Ganon/falcon/fox tri-mains
Sheik secondary
X WaNtEd X
Smash Lord
Well netplay is based more on how much you play. So rankings don't really mean much. I mean eikelmann is a silver I or something. But he's definitely much better than that rank ya know
Swagic
Smash Journeyman
Netplay tests how well you can read/adapt without techskill.
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
Swagic
Smash Journeyman
There are. My phone is being moronic, but check TGL's channel. They've been uploading them throughout the afternoon to youtube.
Swagic
Smash Journeyman
Also, tm, good **** beating Indy's #3
Linguini
Smash Master
lol somehow all the vids were recorded this time, you can peep them here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVtshrBUOVvM7GjCRhu4K4A
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVtshrBUOVvM7GjCRhu4K4A
SwiftNinjaBlackMan
Smash Apprentice
Mfw i see Fd game 1 with bigdaddyganon vs hax
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Gotem City Vigilante
Man dizzkid had a hell of a run at fight Pitt 6, so glad Colin stopped him cold. n0ne got 3-0'd (duck, abate and hugs got bopped too), coming very close to taking a game after switching to Ganon game 3. Dorf is the answer to climbers lol.
Swagic
Smash Journeyman
Every hit is a free separation
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Just give me the ICs!! I see on twitter everyone's whining about how ICs break the game, I can just shake my head.
https://www.youtube.com/user/evenmatchupvod/videos?view=0&shelf_id=3&sort=dd Also more vids from this weekend esports tournament. I dont say this often but i recommend you guys to watch doubles WF. =D
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Epic Murloc
Smash Rookie
out of curiosity since i'm new to the thread but is it known that ganon can catch turnips/bombs after his recovery?
I don't believe that he can grab items during his upB or freefall. I'm not sure anyone does
Epic Murloc
Smash Rookie
he can though :D I figured it out while facing a local peach who edgeguards consistently with them, although it may only function during the freefall
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Divinokage
Smash Legend
I've been trying to figure out how to edgeguard Fox consistently but in some cases i feel like Ganon can only cover 2/3 choices in his recovery so there's always a chance to miss. =(
Epic Murloc
Smash Rookie
i havent faced to many upper lvl foxes the best we have at our local venue is jace who consistently wrecks with falcon
Swagic
Smash Journeyman
Fox recovering high is the one I have the most trouble with. Low is easy, level with stage is iffy (I jab for side-B then react to firefox), but I don't really have anything for high, except just trying to have a hitbox out.
Epic Murloc
Smash Rookie
i think its easier to get reverse up airs off on foxby jumping backwards towards him so it forces him to limit his options on angles or to just take the hit and get knocked off
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I think the problem is when they are far enough to not get hit with a punch or uair off stage but also close enough to do the angle to the edge and getting the sweetspot. In those cases I find myself committing maybe too early and then they get a free recovery. The reason that happens is because they still have the option to side-B or Up-B so you have to commit to one of those timings. The only answers I found to that is either low angled Ftilt or perhaps reverse uair but you have to be also timed really well. They can also delay their jumps to make the task even more difficult.
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Epic Murloc
Smash Rookie
is it possible to time the fast fall or normal fall off a wavelanding from platform quick enough before the phantasm or firefox comes out as a successful edgeguard?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Ya you can but the range on that is kinda limited I think since you'd have to commit below the ledge which will put you at risk if you miss. Usually the Foxes recover further from that range.
Epic Murloc
Smash Rookie
so for close range recovery on fox reverse up air is good but whats debatable is the option for far recovery on fox
hmm how about falling up air on stage to deny the phantasm revovery to force them into a firefox to limit their options first?
hmm how about falling up air on stage to deny the phantasm revovery to force them into a firefox to limit their options first?
If they never had sideB, I think it's possible to cover all upB angles on reaction on FD, assuming that you have good positioning first. When you add platforms into the mix, even that becomes less certain.
Add sideB and there's no way. Unless you're in a position to jab, you can't even cover both shorten & non-shorten on reaction, assuming that one of those is to ledge or to platform cancel.
I think the answer is some combination of:
1. Covering some options (duh)
2. Conditioning (discourage them from choosing options which are difficult to cover or react to)
3. Paying attention to which options they choose and when
and then mixing it up when you have a hard read on them.
But it's definitely good to have at least 1 plan vs every recovery position when you aren't sure what they'll do.
Add sideB and there's no way. Unless you're in a position to jab, you can't even cover both shorten & non-shorten on reaction, assuming that one of those is to ledge or to platform cancel.
I think the answer is some combination of:
1. Covering some options (duh)
2. Conditioning (discourage them from choosing options which are difficult to cover or react to)
3. Paying attention to which options they choose and when
and then mixing it up when you have a hard read on them.
But it's definitely good to have at least 1 plan vs every recovery position when you aren't sure what they'll do.
PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
God damn if fox and falco didn't have side b, edge guarding would actually be so free lol
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I'm still trying to think of ways to force them to do bad recoveries but it's really not that easy when they know Ganon inside and out.
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PseudoTurtle
Smash Champion
If they didn't have side-b as a recovery tool, you could literally just jump out there and get them every single time though. Unless they were too low, which is a reactable edge hog with invincible ledge hop up air if necessary.