K. Rool Support thread.

[xianfeng]

The 64 would have flopped without Rare they gave us all the good games for that system, If nintendo didn't sell rare then the gamecube would have been better

 

[Pika420]

well anyways....back to the topic at hand, i've also noticed kind of a misrepresentation of DKC in the smash series and say that (after adding Diddy first of course) King K. Rool would be an interesting character. i mean, prior to ssbm how many people could look at the ice climbers or G&W and legitimately think "wow, that's gonna be awesome!" whether or not you agree, the tendency is that ANY character in smash has his or her fanbase, and i would expect K. Rool to be no different.

Me personally though I'd rather have Klubba as the unexpected "villain." he seems more serious, more determined, more deadly. heck, i'd much rather fight K. Rool than go toe-to-toe with Klubba and that mean Spike...perfect fsmash if you ask me....

but i digress. yea, i'd support K. Rool in SSBB.

 

[xianfeng]

K.Rool has brains, Brawn and he looks funny, Klubba looks cool but is Generic so I would have to say Krool>Klubba

 

[Falco-Z]

I would just like to say that K. Rool got two votes on Sakurai's poll, and has nearly unlimited potential for originality. The closest we have to a reference to his moveset is in the Boxing match at the end of DK 64.

 

[xianfeng]

I would just like to say that K. Rool got two votes on Sakurai's poll, and has nearly unlimited potential for originality. The closest we have to a reference to his moveset is in the Boxing match at the end of DK 64.

What about the final boss battles in DKC 1,2 &3 and the final boss battles in DKL 1,2&3 why can't he get moves from there? DK64 was a great game but his best moves were in DKC1,2&3

 

[Falco-Z]

That's true i suppose they could take the moves from DKC and DKL games, its just that when I made my other post I had the DK 64 Boxing match in my mind. Thanks for mentioning that, and I think that is even further proof that K. Rool should be included in Brawl.
BTW I don't have as much extensive fanboy knowledge as you on DK xianfeng

 

[xianfeng]

I know, sorry I am a huge fanboy but yeah some DK64 moves would be good too I just want some DKC moves too because at the moment DKC has next to no representation with only having DK

 

[Muffin_man]

No offence xianfeng, but the only move that DK had in the original DKC that I haven't seen Nintendo put into Smash is his roll. Pretty much everything else from the game's been used, even his handslap. Besides, I want them to use DKC2 moves for K. Rool, as his blunderbuss is awesome, and would stop fanboys from claiming that the character's a knock off Bowser simply because he's also a reptile.

And god knows how reptiles didn't exist before Super Mario Bros. (Don't worry, I still love Bowser)

 

[xianfeng]

No offence xianfeng, but the only move that DK had in the original DKC that I haven't seen Nintendo put into Smash is his roll. Pretty much everything else from the game's been used, even his handslap. Besides, I want them to use DKC2 moves for K. Rool, as his blunderbuss is awesome, and would stop fanboys from claiming that the character's a knock off Bowser simply because he's also a reptile.

And god knows how reptiles didn't exist before Super Mario Bros. (Don't worry, I still love Bowser)

Like I said I don't use DK and when I do I pretty much only use his specials but yeah some DKC2 moves would be awsome with the whole pirate theme. I noticed that DK's taunt isn't the thing he does when you finish a level with him in DKC.

 

[notftomearth7]

I'd say K. Rool's more of Rare's cheap knock-off of Bowser.

At any rate, as bad as K. Rool is for a SSBB candidacy, he would be more appropriate than several other suggestions, such as:

Duck Hunt Dog
Balloon Fighter
Tom Nook
Shy Guy
Koopa Troopa
Waddle Dee

I mean, atleast he had moves...
Also, I'd prefer him over ANY more Pokemon.

I basically slammed the Duck Hunt dog thread and got slammed back. It's good to see someone who agrees with me

 

[notftomearth7]

Whoa yeah K.Rool looks alot like Kraid isn't it? O.o; Never thought of that that way.
I personally think he CAN become a nice fighter in SSBB. Yeah he's pretty slow but atleast you can make a intressting moveset with the character.

I thought of this:

A. Right Claw swipe
AA. Left Claw swipe

Ftilt- Punch (somewhat like Bowser's)
Utilt- Headbut
Dtilt- Sweep kick

Fair- Meteor punch (somewhat like DK's but higher knockback and sweetspot at the top of the arms)
Dair- Meteor stomp (like DK's... daymn Im getting unoriginal...)
Uair- Kickflip
Bair- Cape cut (very low knockback but pretty fast)

It's nothing special right now, you'd say it's almost a Bowser or DK moveset but here come's the real deal.

B- Gun Vacuum. (K. Rool grabs his gun and tries to vacuum you into it, this has pretty long range and once your close enough K.Rool smashes you with the gun, the gun smash would do 21% damage and has good knockback and it spikes.)
fB- Cannon Ball (Once again K.Rool pulls out his gun, this time he shoots at you. The cannon ball is a very strong and large projoctile and it has much startup lag. It does about 18% damage.)
uB- High Jump (K.Rool jumps up high. THis is used for recovery but also for attack. It has good vertical recovery but low horziontally. It's similair to the Bowser bomb is used for attack. K.Rool jumps high and lands somewhere you want him to land, it's hard to controll but has good knockback. Once K.Rool lands there will be a quake on the ground which does about 7% damage and stuns the opponement. If K.Rool directly lands on the enemy he does about 14% damage.)
dB- Cape reflect (K.Rool hides himself in his cape like Metaknight does in the trailer when Pit shoots him with the arrow. The cape works like another shield only it reflects all projoctiles like the shine does. However if K.Rool is hit by a melee attack the cape will all be gone. The cape has another effect to. If someone comes close and you cancel the Cape by releasing B. K.Rool now goes back to normall but before he does he will uses his cape to hit the enemy. This would do about 7% damage and works like Ganon's jab.)

Fsmash- Gun thrust. Uncharched 17% Charged 23% Long range.
Dsmash- Cape Twist (Works like Fox's shine, it will surely make you fall but sends you farther away) Uncharched 11% Charged 14%.
Usmash- Headbut. Uncharged 15% Charged 19%

Comments please...

Now that I see that someone has a moveset written out, I think this could turn out well.

Go K.Rool

 

[Gumball Man]

k rool is the best and he will e the best on this game.

 

[bijoukaiba]

k rool is the best and he will e the best on this game.

Well... it's clear you're in strong support of K Rool for Brawl, I'll give you that. However, there are other characters I believe will get in before him- case in point: The infamous Diddy Kong. However, it's probably safe to say after Diddy (or possibly Dixie), K Rool would be the next best bet for DK representation.

 

[Gumball Man]

ive been a king k rool fan ever scence i got donkey kong country. diddy would be my second choice. i want to know his B moves if they add him to the game.

 

[xianfeng]

K.Rool is the only good choice for a DK villain I mean Stanely the bugman is generic and boring and Ghastly King is well lame and so was his game.

 

[HiddenTiger]

Agreed. Rool really is the only good choice for a DK villain. That being said, I don't see why it's necessary to have a DK villain at all. There's no law saying that every franchise represented in Brawl needs to have a villain character. Sure, DK could use more respect in Smash, but that doesn't mean that it has to have a villain character. Especially one as lame as this tub-o-blubber.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Now that I see that someone has a moveset written out, I think this could turn out well.

Go K.Rool

Wow, that moveset is pretty old. Still thanks for the nice comments.
However I think Bowserlick has made a better moveset than mines. This one is a little unoriginal I think myself. However, any comments are fine with me. +Rep for you.

 

[MagnuM]

Smash Brothers needs more villians, Smash Brothers needs more heavyweight characters. I think King K. Rool would be a fine addition to the series.

 

[xianfeng]

Agreed. Rool really is the only good choice for a DK villain. That being said, I don't see why it's necessary to have a DK villain at all. There's no law saying that every franchise represented in Brawl needs to have a villain character. Sure, DK could use more respect in Smash, but that doesn't mean that it has to have a villain character. Especially one as lame as this tub-o-blubber.

How is he lame?

This may be the fanboy and the 13 year old in me speaking but I think a giant lizard with a personality disorder and a weird eye is better than a big turtle with a spikey shell. K.Rool at least tries something different every time. I.E. Kidnap one of the kongs and he changes his attack style to suit his new personality and so that the Kongs are unprepared. Bowser does the same stuff all the time, Kidnap the princess BORING. K.Rool is just plain Awsome I mean he can be anything, A king, A Scientist, A Boxer or a Pirate and if Paon is in charge of the DK franchise now he will get many more looks so you can pick and choose between his personalitys so every one likes him. Bowser will never change, he may ditch 7 of his children to pay attention to one (BAD PARENT, GO TO HELL) but he will always just be a big turtle with a spikey shell. K.Rool > Bowser, (Bowser is no longer cool because he abbandoned 7 children, that's not cool)

With his multiple personality moveset I think K.Rool could be the first high tier villain and heavy weight character.

 

[Bowserlick]

Maybe Bowser simply sent his origianl 7 children out of state to colleges or they moved on with their lives, buying apartments and trying to fit in with the real world.

 

[HiddenTiger]

He's lame because he's a joke of a villain. First and foremost, his name is a pun, which in and of itself is a travesty. What was his big plot in DKC? He steals a bunch of Bananas. Ooo-hoo, I'm trembling. And, from what I've experienced, all of his dialogue is so cheesy and non-threatening that I can't take him seriously at all. They had him quoting Scooby-Doo in DCK3 for crying out loud. Yes, Brawl needs more bad guys. Does that mean that a DK villain needs to be included? No. There are better bad guys.

 

[xianfeng]

He's lame because he's a joke of a villain. First and foremost, his name is a pun, which in and of itself is a travesty. What was his big plot in DKC? He steals a bunch of Bananas. Ooo-hoo, I'm trembling. And, from what I've experienced, all of his dialogue is so cheesy and non-threatening that I can't take him seriously at all. They had him quoting Scooby-Doo in DCK3 for crying out loud. Yes, Brawl needs more bad guys. Does that mean that a DK villain needs to be included? No. There are better bad guys.

In Donkey Kong COuntry he plotted to steal the bananas, In DKC2 he wanted the bananas still but to get them he kidnapped his rival Donkey Kong (he was the first villain to manage to do this) in DKC3 he set up his new base in the northern krempisphere, he lured Dk and Diddy into a trap, it was no longer about bananas but now it was about revenge. In DK64 K.Rool stole DK's bananas and some kongs to distratc him long enough so he could destroy the island and kill all the kongs. What has Bowser done kidnap Peach, act as a bad father and Kidnap Peach again. In 20 years Bowser has only done 1 thing, K.Rool has done many things over the last 12 years. K.Rool is cool and funny, Rare always adds humour or sexual refrences in their games (best examples include Conker's Bad Fur Day and Banjo Tooie) and K.Rool was not only a main villain but funny and cool too. Personalitys aside K.Rool would also be unique.

Maybe Bowser simply sent his origianl 7 children out of state to colleges or they moved on with their lives, buying apartments and trying to fit in with the real world.

Nah Bowser's too stupid to do that, he can't even kidnap a woman right

 

[Diddy Kong]

K.Rool > Bowser.

Bowser is getting cliché. Sure now and then he does something diffrent, but the main goal of Bowser always remains kidnapping Peach. Bowser only is more respected because K.Rool sadly doesn't has a good devolped personality.

If K.Rool only just devolped some more...

Still that doesn't say he won't make an awesome and unique character. He's from DKC and he isn't an ape. I'd say put him and Diddy there.

 

[Muffin_man]

He's lame because he's a joke of a villain. First and foremost, his name is a pun, which in and of itself is a travesty. What was his big plot in DKC? He steals a bunch of Bananas. Ooo-hoo, I'm trembling. And, from what I've experienced, all of his dialogue is so cheesy and non-threatening that I can't take him seriously at all. They had him quoting Scooby-Doo in DCK3 for crying out loud. Yes, Brawl needs more bad guys. Does that mean that a DK villain needs to be included? No. There are better bad guys.

I like how you 'forgot' to mention DKC2, where he was under his elaborate Kaptain guise, Blunderbuss and all, and commanded his own huge pirate fleet. That isn't much to laugh at, is it? Is K. Rool a fumbler of a villain? Of course he is, but is that any different from Bowser or King Dedede? As far as I can see, no. Those two have just been given better opportunities to develop more intricate personalities. And if you're going to drag into the mix his pun for a name, don't forget that Bowser's Japanese name is literally just Koopa with 'King' in front of it. (Or used to be, I can't remember if Japan phased in the Bowser name there or not yet.)

Though admittedly this entire agrument is probably just going to be nothing more then conflicting opinions then actual facts, but whatever, I'm bored at the moment.

 

[Bowserlick]

In Donkey Kong COuntry he plotted to steal the bananas, In DKC2 he wanted the bananas still but to get them he kidnapped his rival Donkey Kong (he was the first villain to manage to do this) in DKC3 he set up his new base in the northern krempisphere, he lured Dk and Diddy into a trap, it was no longer about bananas but now it was about revenge.

You are extremely wrong. Bowser kidnapped Mario in Mario is Missing which came out way before DK Country let alone DK Country 2. Plus Bowser is shown to have emotions and children and a life not intersected with Mario's. K. Rool is not. His focus is shown only to be related to DK. I want K. Rool to be in the game (even before Diddy), but Bowser is definately the more layered and explored villain.

 

[Muffin_man]

Well, he did say he had a wife in DKC3, though according to Leigh Loveday on Rare's website, that was an obscure refrence to an even more obscure British comedy, and Rare when they were still had control of the series didn't really intend on giving K. Rool a wife.

I'll agree that K. Rool's ambitions are linear considering Bowser (sometimes) has different motives, especially in the RPG's, but don't forget that Bowser has (probably) appeared in atleast three times the amount of games K. Rool has (which I think would be something like 9 -12, though some of them were just part of minigames in Konga.)

 

[xianfeng]

well personality plays absoloutly no role whatsoever in SSB hence why Link and other Nintendo characters are in. Moveset potential however plays the largest role and K.Rool would have a fun and unique moveset.

Bowser kidnapped Mario in Mario is Missing which came out way before DK Country let alone DK Country 2.

Wasn't that an educational game made by a north american gaming company only released in america. I don't think that counts, it's not a mainstream game.

 

[HiddenTiger]

I like how you 'forgot' to mention DKC2, where he was under his elaborate Kaptain guise, Blunderbuss and all, and commanded his own huge pirate fleet. That isn't much to laugh at, is it? Is K. Rool a fumbler of a villain? Of course he is, but is that any different from Bowser or King Dedede? As far as I can see, no. Those two have just been given better opportunities to develop more intricate personalities. And if you're going to drag into the mix his pun for a name, don't forget that Bowser's Japanese name is literally just Koopa with 'King' in front of it. (Or used to be, I can't remember if Japan phased in the Bowser name there or not yet.)

Bowser is not, and never has been a 'fumbling villain'. Just because he always ends up being stopped by Mario doesn't mean he's the same goofy, useless, and overall non-threatening waste of bad guy that Rool is. And, unless Koopa means something in Japanese that I'm not aware of, Bowser's japanese name isn't a pun. If you're refering to the koopa troopa enemies, it's more than likely that they were named after King Koopa, as 'troopas' or soldiers of King Koopa.

 

[GreenKirby]

Bowser is not, and never has been a 'fumbling villain'. Just because he always ends up being stopped by Mario doesn't mean he's the same goofy, useless, and overall non-threatening waste of bad guy that Rool is.

Have you played any Mario RPG? With the exception of Paper Mario 1, he is basically a comic relief and is goofy. Even in the cartoons he was comical. Again I say, people probably hate K.Rool because Rare created him and they left Nintendo for Microsoft (even though Ninty sold Rare to them)

And K.Rool has been a threat. I'm pretty sure trying to blow up your island counts as a problem.

 

[HiddenTiger]

Have you played any Mario RPG? With the exception of Paper Mario 1, he is basically a comic relief and is goofy. Even in the cartoons he was comical. Again I say, people probably hate K.Rool because Rare created him and they left Nintendo for Microsoft (even though Ninty sold Rare to them)

And K.Rool has been a threat. I'm pretty sure trying to blow up your island counts as a problem.

Yes I've played SMRPG. Bowser never actually struck me as 'goofy'. He never even did anything that resembled comic relief. If anything, Mallow was the comic relief in that game.

So what if Rool tried to blow up an island once? More often that not, his 'evil schemes' boil down to stealing bananas and making robots out of kitchenware.

 

[GreenKirby]

Yes I've played SMRPG. Bowser never actually struck me as 'goofy'. He never even did anything that resembled comic relief. If anything, Mallow was the comic relief in that game.

So what if Rool tried to blow up an island once? More often that not, his 'evil schemes' boil down to stealing bananas and making robots out of kitchenware.

He cried in SMRPG which proves he's not always a big bad. In M&L, M&L 2, and PM:TTYD, Bowser was goof. He usually got caught in comical situations and was the butt of much slap stick humor. Also, his speaking makes you question his intellegence too. (In Partners in Time, he couldn't recognize his younger self. )

And also, Bowser's 'evil schemes' boil down to kidnapping Peach or taking celestial shaped items.

 

[HiddenTiger]

Hmmm.. lets compare:

Kidnapping royalty and stealing all-powerful artifacts from the stars.

Stealing a bunch of bananas.

Yeah, sure. That seems about the same to me.

Listen, I'll admit that Rool is the only choice for a DK villain. But nobody ever said that having a DK villain was mandatory. Put simply, there are better bad guys out there. Wolf O'Donnel, Claus, Ridley, Skull Kid, or King Dedede would all make for much better choices as far as vilains go. Heck, if we're being perfectly honest, I'd rather see Pokey Minch from Earthbound than Rool. Rool just doesn't strike me as being an all-star. He's more of a filler villain.

 

[Super_Cool]

Hmmm.. lets compare:

Kidnapping royalty and stealing all-powerful artifacts from the stars.

Stealing a bunch of bananas.

Yeah, sure. That seems about the same to me.

Listen, I'll admit that Rool is the only choice for a DK villain. But nobody ever said that having a DK villain was mandatory. Put simply, there are better bad guys out there. Wolf O'Donnel, Claus, Ridley, Skull Kid, or King Dedede would all make for much better choices as far as vilains go. Heck, if we're being perfectly honest, I'd rather see Pokey Minch from Earthbound than Rool. Rool just doesn't strike me as being an all-star. He's more of a filler villain.

Why are you against a comical villain in Brawl? He's not filler, he's funny.

To us, stealing bananas isn't much, but to apes in the jungle, that's the worst thing you can possibly do!

P.S. Get your facts straight. K. Rool kidnapped Donkey Kong (twice) and Diddy Kong, not just stealing bananas.

 

[Bowserlick]

well personality plays absoloutly no role whatsoever in SSB hence why Link and other Nintendo characters are in. Moveset potential however plays the largest role and K.Rool would have a fun and unique moveset.


Wasn't that an educational game made by a north american gaming company only released in america. I don't think that counts, it's not a mainstream game.

It counts. You are saying that K. Rool was the first to kidnap the hero. But the facts say otherwise. Bowser has done alot more then K. Rool. And sure, you can say Bowser does the same thing again and again. But there is more variety in it. Sometimes he uses his kids, sometimes artifacts, sometimes he goes back in time, sometimes he uses magic, and other times he just plain brawls it out with Mario while floating on a star shaped rock out in space. K. Rool just changes his theme. Now I am a pirate. Now I am a scientist. Now a boxer. Now I am going to pick a random theme out of a hat and go to Party City and find an appropiate halloween costume.

Still bring him on in. I say only with his pirate motif though.

 

[MagnuM]

What is so bad about having your name as a pun? King Kruel?

 

[xianfeng]

Yes I've played SMRPG. Bowser never actually struck me as 'goofy'. He never even did anything that resembled comic relief. If anything, Mallow was the comic relief in that game.

So what if Rool tried to blow up an island once? More often that not, his 'evil schemes' boil down to stealing bananas and making robots out of kitchenware.

he stole the bananas twice and once it was a distraction.

Listen, I'll admit that Rool is the only choice for a DK villain. But nobody ever said that having a DK villain was mandatory. Put simply, there are better bad guys out there. Wolf O'Donnel, Claus, Ridley, Skull Kid, or King Dedede would all make for much better choices as far as vilains go. Heck, if we're being perfectly honest, I'd rather see Pokey Minch from Earthbound than Rool. Rool just doesn't strike me as being an all-star. He's more of a filler villain.

Why isn't he an all star? Is it because DKC didn't get a game on the gamecube? Is it because he is the main villain of one of the largest and most succesful Nintendo series? Is it because unlike Bowser he shows human emotion? or is it just because he was made by a british company and not a japanese one like every one else in Brawl?

Stealing a bunch of bananas.

Ok play a DKC game and then tell me K.Rool has only stolen bananas, he has stolen bananas, kidnapped Donkey and Diddy, tried to kill all of the kongs and destroy their island (when was the last time Bowser tried to kill mario) and stolen some medallions.

It counts. You are saying that K. Rool was the first to kidnap the hero. But the facts say otherwise. Bowser has done alot more then K. Rool. And sure, you can say Bowser does the same thing again and again. But there is more variety in it. Sometimes he uses his kids, sometimes artifacts, sometimes he goes back in time, sometimes he uses magic, and other times he just plain brawls it out with Mario while floating on a star shaped rock out in space. K. Rool just changes his theme. Now I am a pirate. Now I am a scientist. Now a boxer. Now I am going to pick a random theme out of a hat and go to Party City and find an appropiate halloween costume.

In the platformer Mario series Bowser hasn't done anything apart from kidnap Peach, it doesn't matter how he does it all it matter is that's all he does because he is an uncreative villain. K.Rool has never done the same thing twice, DKC he stole bananas, DKC2 he kidnapped DK to get the bananas, DKC3 he kidnapped DK and Diddy to get revenge, DK64 he kidnapped some kongs and stole some bananas to distract the kongs while he tried to blow up their island and KILL them and in DKKoS (the most recent DKC game) he stole some medallions to annoy the kongs.

Still bring him on in. I say only with his pirate motif though.

He would need all his personalities to make him have a wacky and fun moveset and all his costumes too. He wouldn't just be one thing but rather 4 things a pirate, a king, a scientist and a boxer. With all those things in one he could easily be the first high tier heavy weight (even though I think the tier list is BS)

 

[shinehex]

I would love to have K.Rool in Brawl just for the fact that he could be on Bowsers team! Boss!

 

[DevilRoseFoxMcCloud]

Are you ****in' kiddin' me? K. Rool is the main DK badguy. They want to add in everyone elses bad guy so why not him? People think Kamek should be in as Yoshi's then K. Rool should be in as DK's. They already don't put very many charcters from his games in anyways. Such as Crazy Cong, but I don't think he has a chance. Either way, I support K. Rool because Donkey Kong needs a bad guy too.

 

[Lord_Deathborne]

LOL Bowser and K. Rool tag-team... That would be fun...

 

[Icetrash]

Are you ****in' kiddin' me? K. Rool is the main DK badguy. They want to add in everyone elses bad guy so why not him? People think Kamek should be in as Yoshi's then K. Rool should be in as DK's. They already don't put very many charcters from his games in anyways. Such as Crazy Cong, but I don't think he has a chance. Either way, I support K. Rool because Donkey Kong needs a bad guy too.

Yeh I am with him. I really dont think in the game he is going to be all that slow as you think he might be by the way...