Lucario Metagame Discussion

[ZTD | TECHnology]

^ Good discussion guys. Thanks for letting me be a part of it.

 

[culexus・wau]

We enjoyed having you around too tech chase.

:>

Although I have 2 questions that I remembered later.

Ftilt stale has 2 cues or 1 cue on two hits?

What our options if you dthrow us at the edge and we go into aerial

We probably gonna do DK next..

next Sunday -sometime around 5-8 EST

 

[A New England Winter]

Unprofessionalcario doesn't know how to run a successful thread >_>

 

[Underload]

*scoop*

yeah man we whoop dat poke ***.

Thats about it.

That's our input. Enjoy it.

*poocs*

 

[MBlaze]

I have weekends off now. So expect me to participate a lot more in these discussions.

I would too but idk how to use the chat and idk if I'ma continue with Lucario.

You the only on here that's play it so far Disciple. lol

 

[D. Disciple]

Oh yeah those dittos lol. The zoning, the punishing of approaches was ridiculous. Then fsmashing a second too soon or too late is gay as hell.

 

[RT]

I'll try to actually participate in this one...every time I go to one, I enter, put a few random things, and then leave the computer and go do something else, lol...

 

[culexus・wau]

6 EST.

for this one

 

[Linkshot]

Dinner at my aunt's came up.

 

[Browny]

I'll try to actually participate in this one...every time I go to one, I enter, put a few random things, and then leave the computer and go do something else, lol...

I dont get why you do this... you know its actually quite easy to leave irc open? Its not like it hogs the ram or anything.

 

[DKwill]

The DK vs Lucario discussion is today right? Can someone brief me on how that's gonna go down? =x

 

[RT]

Show up to to chat, discuss, and...that's it, lol. It's nothing really formal...just don't goof off.

 

[AlexoftheAura]

Flame can't make it so I guess I'm taking over for today. I'll move it back 6:30 to give people time to show up.

I don't really know how to get things started though so if you can, help me out :<

 

[DKwill]

Ok, I'm here but it turns out I am eating dinner right now. So that gives me a little bit of time to eat. lol I'll be back asap.

Edit: I'm back, is this still happening? =x

 

[Zucco]

I had to go practice driving with my dad, so I probably missed this one.

 

[AlexoftheAura]

I don't think it's happening, I'm actually the only person in the room right now so even if you do stop in it would be more of a lecture than an actual discussion :/

I'll still be there if anybody shows up though

 

[DKwill]

I've been in the chat room via Mibbit since 6:30pm... and I don't see you in there? Did I click the wrong link?

 

[Zucco]

this chat was trolled. so much for help lol.

 

[AlexoftheAura]

So yeah, nothing was really accomplished and there wasn't anything really worth saving amidst the trolls <.<

Flamey wants me to take over because he'll probably be away from the boards for a while but I have no idea what I'm doing and was wondering if somebody a little more "qualified" would want to do it instead. If not, I guess I could do it until he gets back.

And we need somebody for next week.

 

[hippiedude92]

shut up alex

u no lucario suxs ayuss anyways

*runs away screaming like a girl*

 

[Linkshot]

Hey, be nice. I find Weegee to be awesome and legit.

 

[RT]

I would recommend picking a character when it starts...if people don't even bother showing up, then...what's the point? <_<

 

[D. Disciple]

Talk about ZSS

 

[phi1ny3]

Yes, I would definitely recommend that character, since she's been gaining in status and capability, and it's a kinda weird MU.

 

[D. Disciple]

I just mentioned her because she was one of the neglected characters we've discussed.

 

[AlexoftheAura]

Soooooo, Zero Suit it is then :3

Hopefully there will be some discussion I can bring back to the boards this week <.<

Anyway I guess it'll start at 8 so try to make it :3

 

[Linkshot]

Watch as some emergency pops up this Sunday ~.~

 

[RT]

8 EST? Have to make sure, lol...

 

[AlexoftheAura]

8 EST? Have to make sure, lol...

8 should be fine.

Watch as some emergency pops up this Sunday ~.~

Shut up :x

 

[Linkshot]

I've just had terrible luck with these so far.

I'm Canada's best Lucario. I have responsibilies.

 

[D. Disciple]

Yo I say we discuss ZSS and Peach, let's get the girls together and break em down.

 

[RT]

That sounds good.

 

[Linkshot]

So far I'm free. I don't know the ZSS matchup very well. Only played against Frr.

 

[AlexoftheAura]

I guess we'll start at 8:30 to give people time to show up.

 

[D. Disciple]

guess I woke up in time.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

I don't know if this is the right place to post this... hi guys!

Anyway, something I would have said about her stages is that generally you want to treat CPing her like you would Meta Knight, because they share most of the same good/"bad" stages. ZSS doesn't have any "bad" stages really IMO, but Japes is probably her worst and Final Destination can be good or bad depending on who your opponent plays. Her best stages are straight-up MK CPs like Rainbow Cruise and Brinstar.

Also ZSS mains are going to slap me for this, but Lylat is not a good ZSS stage at ALL. People saw Snakeee take M2k there in 08 but... her high short-hop interferes with the weird height of the platforms and the tilting screws up her down-b recovery.

Good discussion overall!

 

[Linkshot]

Japes for sure is her worst because the ledges disable SH Plasma Whip.
Don't take her to RC, lol...you'll lose a stock on the boat inevitably, and she CAN maneuver across the stage.
If she bans Japes, go to Castle Siege (thank you, Winamp, for reminding me of this stage by playing World Revolution!)

My 3 cents as a former ZSS secondary.

 

[RT]

Looks like Peach is the next one...I should be able to give major contributions to this discussion.

 

[Zucco]

I was travelling back from ohio, so I missed it lol.

 

[Snakeee]

I don't know if this is the right place to post this... hi guys!

Anyway, something I would have said about her stages is that generally you want to treat CPing her like you would Meta Knight, because they share most of the same good/"bad" stages. ZSS doesn't have any "bad" stages really IMO, but Japes is probably her worst and Final Destination can be good or bad depending on who your opponent plays. Her best stages are straight-up MK CPs like Rainbow Cruise and Brinstar.

Also ZSS mains are going to slap me for this, but Lylat is not a good ZSS stage at ALL. People saw Snakeee take M2k there in 08 but... her high short-hop interferes with the weird height of the platforms and the tilting screws up her down-b recovery.

Good discussion overall!

Lylat IS a good ZSS stage, but probably not like the optimal choice. It screws up other characters much more than ZSS, and how do you mean it screws up down B recovery??? First off, you should NOT still be recovering from offstage with down B ONTO the stage, I said it many times that's a big no-no. Also, it does not affect her tether at all if you understand where point of the edge won't allow you to when you're underneath it (Be familiar with how this is affected by the stage tilting as well)

Also, one thing I semi-stole from you is down B onto the stage from the ledge, and tilted stages like this and Lylat allow you to do so a lot better and with little or no lag.

The stage hurts our grab game when we have the high ground, but actually when it's the reverse it's somewhat of an advantage at the right angle and works a lot better.

EDIT: Sorry, wrong board I know lol