Marth's Moveset (Possibilites)

[Pheta Ray]

Was Marth even good in Project M?

 

[Diddy Kong]

He's pretty much exactly like Marth from Melee. Take your answer out of that.

 

[Hyal]

I was never good with melee!Marth, I feel like such a loser

But then again, I was like, eight years old.

Yep.

 

[Pheta Ray]

I picked up Marth like 3 days ago...

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

If they do change Shield breaker again, I wonder if it will be neither Brawl's or Melee's and rather something new altogether? They'll probably stick with Brawls rather than changing it at all though. Also, although not likely, I hope that they don't change the tipper mechanic.

 

[Clebus]

I hope they don't change the tipper mechanic. Wouldn't mind it being bigger though

 

[Shaya]

Tippering with Marth in brawl is easier than it looks. It's about general observation of how his moves actually work. Fair travels from up to downwards, so if you're spacing vertically in mind, then you are always tippering. Moves like ftilt and jab travel low and horizontal before moving up vertically, so characters moving in are auto tippering. Moves like fsmash just don't trend the way most character's move in this game though, so it is a lot harder to be consistent.

 

[Clebus]

Okay I understand now.
I suck at brawl

 

[Hyal]

I've been wondering about DS, I honestly hope that it conserves those invisibility frames and a little bit faster landing I think.
If DB can get some of the horizontal recovery from melee it would be nice, but it's isn't something I am really excited about. After all, DB is very practical and it works wonderful, maybe regaining that recovery would mess the actual properties???? We just don't know.

Shaya's post are always so educational.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Yeah I was wondering about DS as well, and worried too. So you're not alone out there.

 

[Sarki Soliloquy]

Marth feels very refined from Brawl. If anything, less lag on D-air and very slight weight adjustment so he isn't too floaty.

Marth's Shield Breaker in Brawl actually felt like it utilized the tipper mechanic perfectly. It's a straightforward hitbox that has a slight reach out. It also gave him more recovery options when fully charged in the air.

 

[AEMehr]

If they do change Shield breaker again, I wonder if it will be neither Brawl's or Melee's and rather something new altogether? They'll probably stick with Brawls rather than changing it at all though. Also, although not likely, I hope that they don't change the tipper mechanic.

I've always assumed it changed in Brawl so Marth's and Roy's neutral specials would appear different as well.
I do feel that the stabbing movement does fit Marth's overall style more than the overhead slash. It just seems a lot more elegant while the other sorta gives off a sense of brute strength, which really matched well with Roy's neutral special (Since he would cause an explosion with the immense strength of his sword).

But that's just me.

 

[Pheta Ray]

Think they'll keep the invincibility frames on DS?

Maybe a new animation for angled DB? Like, the four red slashes from Brawl of course. But do you think they'll change the animation of green? Like a downward slash that spikes, even? I don't know, I'm just tossing ideas out.

 

[Tepig2000]

All of Marth's confirmed attacks:

Down Smash

Counter

Dolphin Slash

Dancing Blade

Also the tipper mechanic is going to return. Sakurai's message for the daily image today is "Marth's sword has a powerful tip! So we gave his sword slashes a sharp look with an emphasis on its edge."

 

[Pheta Ray]

We only have the red slash confirmed so far. When they give us the blue and green ones if they do, then I'll be happy.

 

[Tepig2000]

Was Marth even good in Project M?

I never played Project M, but the goal of it is to make all characters equally good, nerfing the powerful characters and buffing the weak ones. Marth is good so he's probably not too changed.

 

[mimgrim]

I never played Project M, but the goal of it is to make all characters equally good, nerfing the powerful characters and buffing the weak ones. Marth is good so he's probably not too changed.

The goal of Project M is to play like/as close to Melee as possible, so Marth probably plays closer to his Melee self in PM. Character balance is more like a secondary goal. Balanced Brawl was/is the mod with the primary goal of balancing characters in Brawl.

 

[Tepig2000]

The goal of Project M is to play like/as close to Melee as possible, so Marth probably plays closer to his Melee self in PM. Character balance is more like a secondary goal. Balanced Brawl was/is the mod with the primary goal of balancing characters in Brawl.

Ah, OK, as I said I never played Project M so I don't know too much about it, but it should be obvious since it is project M and M is the first letter of Melee.

 

[mimgrim]

Ah, OK, as I said I never played Project M so I don't know too much about it, but it should be obvious since it is project M and M is the first letter of Melee.

No no no. The M stands for Marth for Project Marth. But they still want it to play like Melee.

Go ahead and shoot me. I couldn't resist.

 

[Clebus]

Think they'll keep the invincibility frames on DS?

Maybe a new animation for angled DB? Like, the four red slashes from Brawl of course. But do you think they'll change the animation of green? Like a downward slash that spikes, even? I don't know, I'm just tossing ideas out.

I seem to recall reading something about the third strike tilted down meteor smashing in Melee
and one of them meteor smashes in brawl if NOT sweetspotted...
i think

 

[Pheta Ray]

Marth is so weird. o_o

 

[-TAG-]

If hitstun is going to be in this game, Marth would really need his tippered Melee F-air back. Tippered F-air to D-air spike all day if that makes a return.

 

[Pheta Ray]

So long as it doesn't have Melee-long hitstun, I'll be totally cool with the Ken combo.

 

[mimgrim]

So long as it doesn't have Melee-long hitstun, I'll be totally cool with the Ken combo.

Try playing Brawl without Hitstun Cancel and you will see the hitstun is the same as Melee's. Ridiculously long hitstun is in 64.

 

[Pheta Ray]

I recognize 64 has the worst hitstun. I'm saying don't make the hitstun as long as Melee's, and yeah I guess, nor as short as Brawl's.

I mean for the love of Pete if the game is the middleground between Melee and Brawl, the hitstun ought to be as well.

 

[mimgrim]

I recognize 64 has the worst hitstun. I'm saying don't make the hitstun as long as Melee's, and yeah I guess, nor as short as Brawl's.

I mean for the love of Pete if the game is the middleground between Melee and Brawl, the hitstun ought to be as well.

But technically the sitstun in Brawl is the same as Melee. Just a programming error made it to where it can be canceled, but otherwise Brawl actually has the same hitstun as Melee. There really isn't a middle ground to find on hitstun. You have 64 hitstun, regular hitstun, regular hitstun that can be cancled via programming error, or less hitstun. Personally I would prefer to stick with regular hitstun that isn't able to be canceled.

 

[Thor]

They definitely should keep the Bair turnaround. I think not being able to turn around in air with his Bair would leave Marth in a vulnerable position.

Edit:

Also, we need to discuss this.

Look at the range on that Counter.

Actually, I'm thinking look at the range of that dash attack, given that the Counter bubble appears to be at least partially over Marth's body... or maybe both now have disjoints that can be noticed in a freeze frame (I'm seeing that the Fox foot is barely inside the bubble - he's about two Fox boot lengths from actually hitting Marth...).

More on topic, don't mess Marth up. I wouldn't mind dair always meteoring (even though I'm a Brawl Pikachu main...) [and not nerfing knockback, knockback would be same for Brawl dair except always knocks downward] but that might be ridiculously good if fall speeds and game physics are closer to Brawl than Melee (being able to jump out and just meteor someone, even weakly, with a decent degree of safety afforded by Brawl's relative "floatiness" would be nuts). And I support Brawl shield breaker for aesthetics, also I think DB should give a boost only once and slow momentum (like Melee) once before being a net detriment to recovery if used (sort of like Doc's cape except slightly better boost for first use). EDIT: This recovery boost resets once landing on solid ground or grabbing a ledge - if hit back out you don't get it back (unlike Diddy's Monkey Flip).

 

[Cereal Bawks]

Was Marth even good in Project M?

Everyone is good in Project M.

 

[Pheta Ray]

I agree with Thor. If they make DB detrimental to recovery after the first aerial use of it, it should keep Marth from having the infinite vertical recovery I mentioned earlier in this thread. Kind of like how it was in Brawl, you see.

 

[Commander]

Regarding Marth's shield breaker, it has to stay the Brawl version. The Brawl version is closer o how he fights in his games, mainly just stabbing, and it makes more sense for the mechanics of Fire Emblem. Lords are always given an anti-armor weapon, usually a rapier, and often stab with it to attack and it is that mechanic which inspired the shield breaker move. It being a slash just doesn't make sense for Marth's character.

 

[Pheta Ray]

I'm all for keeping the knockback on a good Dolphin Slash. That KO potential in Brawl was really high in my opinion.

 

[Clebus]

I'm all for keeping the knockback on a good Dolphin Slash. That KO potential in Brawl was really high in my opinion.

Seconded.

 

[Pheta Ray]

Also, guys. Ftilt confirmed for a return in Smash 4. See Tuesday's featured picture.

 

[SaturnFrost]

So excited hes been announced.His costume looks so dope and he overall looks more masculine.If he plays like he did in Brawl/melee, then hes definitely gonna be one of my mains. I hope they keep his Brawl shield Breaker,It has character and fits his tipping game very well.If the melee S-B returns I wouldn't mind it though I prefer Brawls.

 

[Commander]

So excited hes been announced.His costume looks so dope and he overall looks more masculine.If he plays like he did in Brawl/melee, then hes definitely gonna be one of my mains. I hope they keep his Brawl shield Breaker,It has character and fits his tipping game very well.If the melee S-B returns I wouldn't mind it though I prefer Brawls.

He has to keep the Brawl Shield Breaker. It is how he actually fights in his games. The melee shield breaker was only correct in its effect but not in they way the Falchion was actually used.

 

[PLATINUM7]

I hope this is the Dancing Blade from Brawl.

 

[Pheta Ray]

Still waiting on those pictures for the angled Dancing Blade.

 

[PadWarrior]

HI guys I've never really used Marth, but was wondering, what is the best way to play him? Any general tips?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

It's kinda different in both smash bros, but in general you have to space in order to get the most utility out of your moves and also prevent yourself from being hit. You also have to switch from playing defensive and offensive throughout a match, from stage control, to preventing yourself from being camped.

 

[Clebus]

They'll keep Brawl SB no doubt.
Wish they wouldn't though =\