Does he? I'm talking about an equipped spike, not an AT one. I tested his spike by having my friend jump off FD and I'd spike him in midair. He was sent down at the speed other spiked players travel when they're at 100% from someone else's spike (not Ness's). Is it the most powerful spike?
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Ness Has Most Powerful Spike?
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Conclusively
Smash Journeyman
I think Ganondorf has the strongest spike.
Levitas
the moon
it's up there, def. top three overall.
it's either number 1 or 2 for base knockback (knockback at 0%), but I don't remember which, as it's been a few months since someone tested it.
it's either number 1 or 2 for base knockback (knockback at 0%), but I don't remember which, as it's been a few months since someone tested it.
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
Zamus, Zelda, Samus and Ike are the other strongest ones.
It's number 2 in spiking power. Ganondorf is number 1.
Ness actually has the strongest constant-knockback spike, meaning it does the most knockback of any spike at 0%. This is similar to Ness's forward throw, which always throws the opponent a large constant distance and increases very little with damage. Ganondorf or Ike have spikes with extremely high linear knockback, similar to Ness's back throw.
at 0 % percent ness' is the stongest in terms of knockdown speed
from 15- 110% it ganondorfs
and from 120+ i truley believe zelda sweetspot is the fastest at this point, they are gone in a matter of frames.
in terms of damage i think ganons is the most damaging, unless you count yoshi's dair a spike
from 15- 110% it ganondorfs
and from 120+ i truley believe zelda sweetspot is the fastest at this point, they are gone in a matter of frames.
in terms of damage i think ganons is the most damaging, unless you count yoshi's dair a spike
panique365
Smash Cadet
Hell yeah! Ness has the 2nd strongest!
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
No, Ness hasthe strongest spike in terms of hitstun (which is all you really need for a spike).
Ganon's spike has more knockback and killing power bascially. If you are in the water, Gnon's spike will kill a few points earlier, and it will kill much earlier than Ness' on a grounded opponent, BUT, hitstun is what you want in ta spike.
Ganon's spike sends opponents 5 stage builder squares down before the hitstun wears off. Ness' sends them down 7 squares.
Even if people consider Ganon's stronger, Ness' has a humongous disjointed hitbox under him (think Snake's utilt downwards) that FAR surpasses Ganon's.
Ness spike>All
Ganon's spike has more knockback and killing power bascially. If you are in the water, Gnon's spike will kill a few points earlier, and it will kill much earlier than Ness' on a grounded opponent, BUT, hitstun is what you want in ta spike.
Ganon's spike sends opponents 5 stage builder squares down before the hitstun wears off. Ness' sends them down 7 squares.
Even if people consider Ganon's stronger, Ness' has a humongous disjointed hitbox under him (think Snake's utilt downwards) that FAR surpasses Ganon's.
Ness spike>All
Crystanium
Smash Hero
Yay for Ness m'boy! PK Spike You In the Face!
Gindler
Smash Champion
Yeah, I read at zero is does (no idea why just at zero but hey).
And I do love the hitstun on it, I've spiked a few snakes after a Dthrow for a kill (that's like 9 percent before the spike) which is pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
And I do love the hitstun on it, I've spiked a few snakes after a Dthrow for a kill (that's like 9 percent before the spike) which is pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
Ness' spike is more powerful than Ganons even after 0%
Ness' awesome fthrow works together with it.
Ness' awesome fthrow works together with it.
automatic pinball
Smash Rookie
Of course he has the second most powerful spike. Have you ever spiked with a yo-yo? (I haven't, but, hey I almost got it!
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PK Starstorm
Smash Journeyman
It's very strong, but i have a question. Isn't a spike supposed to be invincible. because i fought my friends game and watch, and he canceled it and jumped back up. then i was so stunned by the fact he survived, i died.
Gindler
Smash Champion
Yeah, but alot of people refer to meteor smashes as spikes since there are only like 2-3 real "spikes" in the game.
ChileNess
Smash Apprentice
actually ness spike is awesome no doubt the thing is that agains good players they just evade or just survive the meteor smash and ness spike is a meteor is just that in brawl the timing is a bit hard. In melle was more "easy" actually a meteor smash if you dont know is a spike you can escape by either jumping or UP B (if my meory dont fail me..) with the timing and there is it.... keep in mind in melle falco Dair wasn't a meteor but ganon dar was a meteor.... hope that "helps"
is just that in brawl the timing is a bit hard. In melle was more "easy" actually a meteor smash if you dont know is a spike you can escape by either jumping or UP B (if my meory dont fail me..) with the timing and there is it.... keep in mind in melle falco Dair wasn't a meteor but ganon dar was a meteor.... hope that "helps"
kennypu
Smash Journeyman
I spiked a MK yesturday 0%, he couldn't get back up so I suppose its quite high up there.
Gindler
Smash Champion
As far as powerful if you bounce them off the level and kill them off the top. I think Gdorf's is way better at that, thunderstomping (think that's what they call the shorthopped lagless Dair) is too good.
FNLY
Smash Rookie
he has the second one after Ganon.
But he has one of the strongest spike in SSBB =D
But he has one of the strongest spike in SSBB =D
--WAMY--
Smash Rookie
no, luigi's taunt spike is an auto kill, and you get the kill
marcus0103
Smash Apprentice
Fair to dair sometimes can lead to a pseudo ken combo if you aerial rise after the fair. it's cool
There still is a problem with that bcuz we can never test how powerful zeldas is bcuz you cant sweetspot it on the ground, for all we know it could be the best at that
Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
But... Zelda's can't bounce the foe off of the ground, so it shouldn't even be qualified for this. Even if she could, I don't think it could compare to just getting flat out stomped by Ganon.
MRTW113
Smash Journeyman
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Falco's seems more like the fastesti always thought falco's was the strongest...
i guess i was wrong
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
Yes, it has an extremely high amount of hitstun
Chis
Finally a legend
Gannondorf has the most powerful spike, Ness 2nd.
Levitas
the moon
I love how people think in absolutes here. There's more than one factor at work here, meaning that Ness's spike is the most powerful for a range of percents.
Dxt XXII
Smash Journeyman
^^^And it is also more convinient than ganon's. It's faster, easy to hit with, and non-punishable.
Gaussis
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Actually, Ganondorf's is exactly the one you describe there. It is faster, easy to hit with, and in most cases non-punishable. So, Ganon's is more convenient.
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
Ness' spike is easier to hit with. Ganons isnt very disjoineted at all, but Ness' is. It goes like a Ness height under the extension of his foot.
Neon Ness
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OK, I've been wondering this for a looong time. What the heck is hitstun?
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
After getting hit with an attack, the time you cannot do anything.