Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Gengar84]

I'd be slightly miffed if we got two Persona characters before a crumb of SMT - just on principle - but I can't even lie I really want Aigis in Smash.

Her character archetype appeals to me a lot, for the same reason I used to like when KOS-MOS was brought up. Robot girl who can spawn an artillery and big ass gatling guns - it's just a lot of fun. I've played her in P4Arena as well and she was quickly my favorite character in that game.

I wonder if getting any of 2B, KOS-MOS, or Aigis would exclude from getting the others in the same game. They all have their own unique skills and abilities but they’re pretty similar thematically. I think they’d all be pretty cool and I actually own a game with each of them but Persona 3 is the only one I’ve actually completed.

 

[aSMa]

2 persona before Waluigi would make me so mad.
The fanbase has been begging for him for a while now. We need to put the man in.

 

[Gengar84]

2 persona before Waluigi would make me so mad.
The fanbase has been begging for him for a while now. We need to put the man in.

I think Waluigi is the most likely Mario character and has a really good chance of making it into the next game. He’s been requested for a while now and most of the characters that were requested more than he was have likely already made it in. I don’t think his chances are in any way affected by whether we get another Persona character though.

 

[The Prankster 16]

2 persona before Waluigi would make me so mad.
The fanbase has been begging for him for a while now. We need to put the man in.

Speaking of Waluigi, does this moveset seem possible? I tried to make is similar to the Mario Bros. and Wario's movesets because I think that's how Sakurai would build his moveset, but still drew on his apperances in all the spin-offs.
Tennis Volley: Tosses a ball in the air and hits it with a purple trail. Can be charged on ground or in the air, and can be angled. Aerial version is angled down by default. Fully charged version can spike.
Waluigi Racer: Hops in his Kart from Double Dash and rides around. Works more like Bowser Jr.'s Side-B than Wario's.
Waluigi Whirlwind: Waluigi spins upward with a rose in his mouth like in his Special Shot from Aces, hitting multiple times. Draws from Wario's Up-B (Stole this idea from SSF2).
Dice Roll: A Mario Party Die appears above Waluigi's head with numbers 1-10, and rolls until the B-button is released. The number the die lands on affects Waluigi's move's knockback for the next 10 seconds. 1: Does 10% to Himself, gives a 1% knockback boost, 2-9: Gives a corresponding% boost, 10: Gives a 10% knockback boost and gives temporary invincibilty for 10 seconds. When the effect is active, a Mario Party-styled countdown from 10-1 appears above his stock icon. This move cannot be used again until the timer is over.

 

[DarthEnderX]

And given that marketing Smash is heavily focused on newcomers to the point where DLC-era Ultimate marketing was less "everyone is here" and more "the recent DLC newcomer is here", Nintendo would want to avoid it too.

This is gibberish.

Rash/Pimple/Zitz (Battletoads)
Fulgore (Killer Instinct)
Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
Jinx (League of Legends)
Illidan Stormrage (WarCraft)
Sarah Kerrigan (StarCraft)
Diablo (Diablo)
Tracer (Overwatch)
Scorpion (Mortal Kombat)
Doomslayer (DOOM)
Master Chief (Halo)
Crash Bandicoot (Crash)
Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)
Aloy (Horizon)
Kratos (God of War)
Lilith (Borderlands)
Rayman (Rayman)
Ezio (Assassin’s Creed)
The Prince (Prince of Persia)
Marcus Fenix (Gears of War)

It's funny how half of those are now owned by Microsoft.

 

[aSMa]

Honestly I feel like it would work, but dice landing on 10 would really need to be rare because

Speaking of Waluigi, does this moveset seem possible? I tried to make is similar to the Mario Bros. and Wario's movesets because I think that's how Sakurai would build his moveset, but still drew on his apperances in all the spin-offs.
Tennis Volley: Tosses a ball in the air and hits it with a purple trail. Can be charged on ground or in the air, and can be angled. Aerial version is angled down by default. Fully charged version can spike.
Waluigi Racer: Hops in his Kart from Double Dash and rides around. Works more like Bowser Jr.'s Side-B than Wario's.
Waluigi Whirlwind: Waluigi spins upward with a rose in his mouth like in his Special Shot from Aces, hitting multiple times. Draws from Wario's Up-B (Stole this idea from SSF2).
Dice Roll: A Mario Party Die appears above Waluigi's head with numbers 1-10, and rolls until the B-button is released. The number the die lands on affects Waluigi's move's knockback for the next 10 seconds. 1: Does 10% to Himself, gives a 1% knockback boost, 2-9: Gives a corresponding% boost, 10: Gives a 10% knockback boost and gives temporary invincibilty for 10 seconds. When the effect is active, a Mario Party-styled countdown from 10-1 appears above his stock icon. This move cannot be used again until the timer is over.

I feel like this would work to be honest. I just think his Dice Roll landing on a 10 would need to be REALLY rare or his invincibility would need to be less. A rushdown during 10 seconds could result in a stock.

 

[The Prankster 16]

I feel like this would work to be honest. I just think his Dice Roll landing on a 10 would need to be REALLY rare or his invincibility would need to be less. A rushdown during 10 seconds could result in a stock.

Yeah, the time limit was kinda arbitrary, I just used the duration of the Super Star item. But also I think that kinda fits, since getting a good dice roll in Mario Party can get you to the star or some other space that can help you win the game, which translated into Smash is giving him the chance to take a stock if the player can get some good hits in that "chance time".

 

[aSMa]

Yeah, the time limit was kinda arbitrary, I just used the duration of the Super Star item. But also I think that kinda fits, since getting a good dice roll in Mario Party can get you to the star or some other space that can help you win the game, which translated into Smash is giving him the chance to take a stock if the player can get some good hits in that "chance time".

Yeah, I feel like a good amount that will only cost a stock if the opponent is already close to kill would be about 5 seconds.

 

[PersonAngelo53]

Since this place tends to focus on a few commonly speculated characters, I wonder if we’re missing someone that will seem obvious once they make it in Smash. I didn’t see a whole lot of people talk about Joker, Terry, Sephiroth, or Kazuya prior to them actually making it in. In Kazuya’s case, that’s because people were more focused on Heihachi. It’s always fun to get characters not many people really saw coming.

Maybe something from a Gacha game? Seems like those type of games have been getting more popular lately. And who knows maybe they won’t choose the main Avatar player character since in Gacha games like Genshin Impact, Honkai star rail etc usually have different characters be the most popular.

 

[PersonAngelo53]

I think

Yeah, every guest character in the game has something going on that justifies them being there. My point wasn't to downplay these characters, rather address that cutting Snake and adding a less popular character isn't undermining Smash's ability to be a celebration of video games. Because if we wanted to nitpick every character that way, then we'd already find holes in this roster. Fortunately that's not really what Smash's goal is, I like it much better that way.



The classic folly of Smash speculation is when we try to find the answer to this, they become the norm. I was doing this with Off the Hook some months back and lately it seems people have really took toward Marina / OTH as a strong contender, and now similarly believe in the prospect of two new Splatoon characters. And I remember how quickly people hopped onto the Adol Christin train because of Terry... I think it's generally a good thing when new characters are pushing everyone to rethink their biases outside of their comfort zones, but it's funny how this effect sometimes becomes a once drastically overlooked character becoming maybe an overstated one.

Which is to say I think when we try to hard to find an overlooked surprise, we just end up missing the mark all over again. The answers IMO lie somewhere in the middle. But I think DLC also broke down many barriers that we didn't know would be broken - Joker, Terry, Sephiroth all to varying degrees - so I wonder if we have a better perspective now about what is possible. A character like Joker is no longer gonna be that surprising because we got Joker, so it propelled us to look beyond the immediate Nintendo umbrella and so forth. Stuff like Dark Souls, Nier, etc. have become common points of interest in their own right.

As far as things people don't speculate about that might have a chance...

Genshin
GTA
Call of Duty
Someone from Apex Legends
Rainbow Six Siege?
Assassin's Creed
Mobile game stuff (think candy crush, Bloons, clash of clans, etc)
PUBG
Arknights? FGO?

Almost forgot anime fighters that aren't GG. Y'all aren't ready for the Melty Blood rep.

A Melty Blood rep would be pretty cool.
Also let me add two more series to this list:
The legend of heroes/Ys from Nihon Falcom. Could end up being our unexpected Terry like pick from a nicher series but with a big legacy.

 

[ninjahmos]

I think Smash probably needs more "surreal" stages…which might be why they could bring back Poké Floats:

 

[The Prankster 16]

Speaking of Waluigi, does this moveset seem possible? I tried to make is similar to the Mario Bros. and Wario's movesets because I think that's how Sakurai would build his moveset, but still drew on his apperances in all the spin-offs.
Tennis Volley: Tosses a ball in the air and hits it with a purple trail. Can be charged on ground or in the air, and can be angled. Aerial version is angled down by default. Fully charged version can spike.
Waluigi Racer: Hops in his Kart from Double Dash and rides around. Works more like Bowser Jr.'s Side-B than Wario's.
Waluigi Whirlwind: Waluigi spins upward with a rose in his mouth like in his Special Shot from Aces, hitting multiple times. Draws from Wario's Up-B (Stole this idea from SSF2).
Dice Roll: A Mario Party Die appears above Waluigi's head with numbers 1-10, and rolls until the B-button is released. The number the die lands on affects Waluigi's move's knockback for the next 10 seconds. 1: Does 10% to Himself, gives a 1% knockback boost, 2-9: Gives a corresponding% boost, 10: Gives a 10% knockback boost and gives temporary invincibilty for 10 seconds. When the effect is active, a Mario Party-styled countdown from 10-1 appears above his stock icon. This move cannot be used again until the timer is over.

Also just realized the perfect final smash for him.
Bring back Luigi's Negative Zone from Brawl! It would totally fit Waluigi as a character, seeing as how he's considered the "wierd guy", and he's associated heavily with dancing (like him being in DDR Mario Mix).

 

[fogbadge]

I think Smash probably needs more "surreal" stages…which might be why they could bring back Poké Floats:

i'm telling you, pokemon smile

 

[Gorgonzales]

Also just realized the perfect final smash for him.
Bring back Luigi's Negative Zone from Brawl! It would totally fit Waluigi as a character, seeing as how he's considered the "wierd guy", and he's associated heavily with dancing (like him being in DDR Mario Mix).

Making it longer-ranged with more bizarre effects and calling this new souped up version "Omegative Zone" would make for the absolutely perfect Waluigi finishing move.

 

[Wonder Smash]

That’s sad to hear. I never really got into any Ubisoft games myself but it sucks for fans that really liked their games. I have no real attachment to Rayman but he seems like he would have been a fun a smash character.

On the subject of potential third party newcomers, would you all rather see Nintendo expand on Smash’s current direction as a “celebration of gaming” and include more popular game characters from around the world and branch out from being mostly Japan focused? Would you rather see Smash return to its roots as a big Nintendo crossover with a few guests sprinkled in here and there? Are you generally happy with how Smash is currently handling things in regards to newcomers and prefer it stay Japan focused but include guests mostly from Japanese developers?

I think Smash is a big Nintendo crossover either way. No matter how much third-party content is in the game, it's not as much as Nintendo's own content. I do want to see them branch out from mostly Japan focused, though.

 

[Gengar84]

This is gibberish.

It's funny how half of those are now owned by Microsoft.

Yeah, that’s one reason I feel like Microsoft actually owns enough interesting properties to fill out their own Smash game. At the very least, a Nintendo vs Microsoft themed Smash game could be really cool.

 

[Stratos]

If Waluigi comes as a newcomer to the Super Smash Bros. series, he will most likely have moves based on Mario spin-off video games, but there is also fan demand for Waluigi to get his own video game series, and that would be something which would give him the opportunity to have moves from his own turn.

 

[Ivander]

I wonder if getting any of 2B, KOS-MOS, or Aigis would exclude from getting the others in the same game. They all have their own unique skills and abilities but they’re pretty similar thematically. I think they’d all be pretty cool and I actually own a game with each of them but Persona 3 is the only one I’ve actually completed.

I don't think similar archetypes/themes will prevent the others from getting in if Sakurai wants them. Link didn't stop Hero from getting in. Ryu and Ken didn't stop Terry or Kazuya getting in. Villager didn't stop Isabelle from getting in. All that really matters is whether Sakurai wants them or not.

And all three have a good amount of differences to make them different from each other.

• 2B is very combo-centered and focuses alot on being up-close and personal. Her main weapons are a small and large sword, a spear, combat bracers and her fists, so she's probably the least ranged focused out of all three.
• While Xenoblade 2 KOS-MOS had a focus on ranged combat, KOS-MOS actually has a whole variety of weapons besides her R-Cannon, Gatling Guns and X-Buster, between her dragon blade, R-Swords and even a scythe(yeah, the Scythe is not exclusive to T-ELOS, KOS-MOS uses a scythe in Xenosaga 1). She also kicks alot and Project X Zone even gave her bows, though it's possible they were borrowed from Momo from Xenosaga 3.
• Aigis has access to ranged weapons like a Gatling gun, a grenade launcher and a set of rocket launchers, but she also uses ignition bursts and jets from her body for fighting and utility and she has her Persona Athena.

So really, they all have enough differences to not stop each other from getting in. What really matters is Sakurai wanting them or not.

 

[SharkLord]

And I remember how quickly people hopped onto the Adol Christin train because of Terry...

Bit of an anecdote to add, Adol didn't pick up immediately after Terry was added. I distinctly remember he gained traction because of a 4chan "leak" saying the next fighter would be from Falcom, which just so happened to get attention on SmashBoards and allowed Falcom fans to talk about their games. There were some people who talked about Estelle and Rean as well, but Adol got the lion's share of attention.

 

[Louie G.]

Bit of an anecdote to add, Adol didn't pick up immediately after Terry was added. I distinctly remember he gained traction because of a 4chan "leak" saying the next fighter would be from Falcom, which just so happened to get attention on SmashBoards and allowed Falcom fans to talk about their games. There were some people who talked about Estelle and Rean as well, but Adol got the lion's share of attention.

Fair enough, I guess then the rise of visibility for Falcom just aligned nicely with the rising desire to find another historically relevant, oft-neglected Japanese studio like SNK. Much of the narrative revolved around finding a compatible foil as not to get caught offguard again by a character less celebrated within western circles. I imagine a lot of this also stemmed from the anime swordie rhetoric, people just kind of assumed we were getting another.

Nowadays though, I'm pretty sure we'd get Estelle if we actually did get a Falcom character. But I could vibe with Adol if not just for the music.

 

[SharkLord]

Fair enough, I guess then the rise of visibility for Falcom just aligned nicely with the rising desire to find another historically relevant, oft-neglected Japanese studio like SNK. Much of the narrative revolved around finding a compatible foil as not to get caught offguard again by a character less celebrated within western circles. I imagine a lot of this also stemmed from the anime swordie rhetoric, people just kind of assumed we were getting another.

Nowadays though, I'm pretty sure we'd get Estelle if we actually did get a Falcom character. But I could vibe with Adol if not just for the music.

Yeah, Terry opened people up to the idea of a relatively niche but influential company getting something in Smash. Falcom had enough parallels to latch on to and the "leak" happened at the right time to get attention, and I was just very active at the time and yapped about Ys whenever I could, and suddenly Adol became everyone's favorite "darkhorse" pick.

Despite wanting Adol more I'd expect Estelle over him, just because Falcom cranks out Trails games like the world's ending while we only get a new Ys every three or four years. That said, the president of Falcom has stated he'd want Adol to be in over anyone else, on the basis that he's the star of all the Ys games while Trails cycles through main characters.
https://miketendo64.com/2024/10/16/m64-interview-toshihiro-kondo-ys-x-nordics/

Of course, that would only matter if Nintendo/Sakurai approach them for a Falcom rep in general, instead of specifically singling out an Ys/Trails character. Falcom's fandoms tend to overlap a lot, somewhat like SNK's, but they don't have a big crossover franchise to keep everything tied together. I mean, they had one crossover, but it never became a series like KoF did

 

[PersonAngelo53]

Fair enough, I guess then the rise of visibility for Falcom just aligned nicely with the rising desire to find another historically relevant, oft-neglected Japanese studio like SNK. Much of the narrative revolved around finding a compatible foil as not to get caught offguard again by a character less celebrated within western circles. I imagine a lot of this also stemmed from the anime swordie rhetoric, people just kind of assumed we were getting another.

Nowadays though, I'm pretty sure we'd get Estelle if we actually did get a Falcom character. But I could vibe with Adol if not just for the music.

As for the music I feel like if we got any Nihon Falcom character, the music would be based around all of Nihon Falcom’s history instead of only one series similar to how Terry’s music pack was.

I just hope at least that’s the case and we get some Trails of music. I would like a few of this at least. Trails has a lot of great music and so does Ys.

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[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Just sorta skimming and seeing a few things discussed, but even though I haven't played Persona 3 (original or Reload), I've watched a friend play through Reload and I would love Aigis in Smash, and I'm sure it'd make her (my friend) super excited too.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

KOS-MOS uses a scythe in Xenoblade 1

What version of Shulk's game were you playing?

 

[Ivander]

What version of Shulk's game were you playing?

Xenogears, Xenosaga, Xenoblade, Xenofighters, Xenoverse, Xenocrisis, Xenomorph, there's too many Xeno-something games!

And yeah, it's the low quality version. Only because the high quality version kept giving me an empty white bar of nothing on the bottom.

 

[NintenRob]

I just want the usual amount of first party newcomers in the base game. DLC is already primarily third party, as a guy who likes Smash Bros for Nintendo, I don't want to pushed aside entirely

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I just want the usual amount of first party newcomers in the base game. DLC is already primarily third party, as a guy who likes Smash Bros for Nintendo, I don't want to pushed aside entirely

This is what I want for next game and what I expect we'll get as we return to a more typical number of newcomers for base, rather than Ultimate's like 6+Echoes? And as Brawl and Smash 4 did, I expect maybe 2 new third party newcomers out of that number, one of which will be shown right away like Snake and Mega Man were.

EDIT: Unrelated, but the Nintendo Music App just added Wave Race 64 to its list. I don't know anything about Wave Race, so I'll just say the list also includes alternate versions of Sunny Beach and Southern Island labeled (1997 ver.), which I assume has something to do with its PAL release, but I have no clue since the most exposure to Wave Race I've had is collecting Blue Storm in Pikmin 4 lmao

 

[CannonStreak]

I would hate to bring up the discussion of cuts again, but I was wondering something; since there were no cuts between Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS and Smash Bros. Ultimate, what cuts may you expect or think will happen from Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS ALONE?

 

[Lionfranky]

As far as things people don't speculate about that might have a chance...

Genshin
GTA
Call of Duty
Someone from Apex Legends
Rainbow Six Siege?
Assassin's Creed
Mobile game stuff (think candy crush, Bloons, clash of clans, etc)
PUBG
Arknights? FGO?

Almost forgot anime fighters that aren't GG. Y'all aren't ready for the Melty Blood rep.

I just don't see Nintendo or Sakurai looking for playable characters from bold franchises. I do think aesthetic is still a huge factor in selecting fighters. You can argue that COD and PUBG somewhat have recognizable looks such as Ghost mask, Captain Price or PUBG's iconic iron mask. But, I think they will choose characters with more recognizable appearances. And, those characters have generally more interesting moveset potential.

 

[The Prankster 16]

I just don't see Nintendo or Sakurai looking for playable characters from bold franchises. I do think aesthetic is still a huge factor in selecting fighters. You can argue that COD and PUBG somewhat have recognizable looks such as Ghost mask, Captain Price or PUBG's iconic iron mask. But, I think they will choose characters with more recognizable appearances. And, those characters have generally more interesting moveset potential.

Yeah, COD is an iconic and recognizable game franchise, but I don't think it'd ever get in Smash simply because there isn't that recognizability factor. Like yeah, there are COD characters that some people will recognize, but I think even then if they were to be revealed in a trailer, people wouldn't go "Oh my god!, It's Price from CODMW!", they'd go "Who's this random white guy?"
And I don't think they would even have interesting movesets, they're just gun guys, and not even interesting guns, just regular ARs and pistols. Doom Slayer has his chainsaw, crucible and plasma gun. Master Chief has the needler, energy sword, and even the regular guns are still stylized sci-fi guns. And RE characters have knives, or could call zombies in like in MvC. What could you even do to make a COD character even remotley interesting?

 

[Louie G.]

I think it's possible we'll get a few more third party newcomers than usual on base if it involves double dipping into some of the currently represented series (ie Sonic, Street Fighter, Mega Man, Castlevania...) - odds are they'll still want to bring in one or two new universes on top of that. But I can't see us pushing much further than 4 or 5 guest characters collectively on release, and that's definitely already on the upper end.

I think we've missed out on so much development within Nintendo's homegrown series too that it's just unrealistic to assume they won't go nuts on that anyway. Less so in the realm of new IP, so make what you will of that, but surely with some of their biggest franchises flourishing and introducing / elevating memorable characters they're at no loss for new first party characters. Seeing how the game was proposed late 2015-early 2016... we're encroaching on a decade's worth of untapped material with just three major exceptions. In other words, I'm not worried about it.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

What could you even do to make a COD character even remotley interesting?

TACTICAL NUKE INCOMING!

 

[BuckleyTim]

add Tank Dempsy to the game and watch a segment of the gaming population that was previously thought to have no overlap with Nintendo entirely pop off with insane glee.

 

[Ivander]

You know, thinking about the talk with 2B(Square-Enix), Aigis(Sega) and KOS-MOS(Namco) and how Nintendo has Pyra & Mythra, it surprises me that Capcom doesn't have a main character of that notable archetype. Sure, Capcom has female robots, especially in regards to Megaman, though none of them got anywhere near the focus the main leads get. And Vanessa Schneider from P.N.03 is not confirmed to be a robot/android/etc.

So yeah, kinda surprising. And maybe to some people's relief, considering we already have a ton of Capcom characters people want in Smash Bros. Wouldn't want a new popular Capcom character to suddenly appear and take away Bomb Man's chances.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I just don't see Nintendo or Sakurai looking for playable characters from bold franchises. I do think aesthetic is still a huge factor in selecting fighters. You can argue that COD and PUBG somewhat have recognizable looks such as Ghost mask, Captain Price or PUBG's iconic iron mask. But, I think they will choose characters with more recognizable appearances. And, those characters have generally more interesting moveset potential.

If it's just a recognizable character you're looking for, I don't think Grand Theft Auto fits into your argument. It's series protagonists may be a collection of "just a guy" characters, but you could still pick them out of a crowd. Much moreso than "guy in green military gear" anyway.

What could you even do to make a COD character even remotley interesting?

My first thought was cursed guns, but those are from Modern Warfare. They can get really funny though:

Spoiler: Video has swear words: some censored, some not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_pSOVrmgeI

EDIT: lol Modern Warfare is Call of Duty. Shows how much I know about the series. So yeah. Just give 'em really dumb gun designs.

 

[smashkirby]

Are there any third parties that you’d like to see represented by something other than a fighter?

I was thinking of Ace Combat and how insanely good the music is in that series and would love to see it represented as a stage for the music alone.

Same with Silent Hill. I don’t imagine they’ll ever put Pyramid Head in Smash but at the very least seeing the town as the stage with easily the best music in the horror genre is a dream of mine.

Sort of unrelated, but seeing Ace Combat here reminds me that Nintendo technically has the likes of Jet Impulse as an answer to this series, if they ever wanted to add a realistic flight combat IP to Smash Bros..

If Naomi Moriha isn't ever playable in Smash Bros., maybe a Jet Impulse stage could work? Imagine fighting on fast-moving fighter jets in the middle of a dogfight.

I'd love to see a stage based on Time Crisis with music from both Time Crisis and Point Blank.

And maybe a stage based on the Daytona International Speedway with music from Daytona USA and other SEGA racing games:

Just like what I mentioned in regards to Ace Combat and Jet Impulse, Nintendo has Cruis'n under their belt for a realistic racer IP to add into Smash Bros., if it ever came down to it.

I think they only revealed everyone pre-release in Ultimate 'cause

• A: EIH meant none of the vets were a secret, and
• B: There weren't many newcomers.

With both of these likely not being true for Smash 6, we may go back to the status quo. Granted, I expect more unlockables to be revealed pre-launch than before, but not all. I imagine it'd be mostly lower priority veterans held off, not many newcomers (if any). Sure the internet means they wouldn't be secret, but even during Smash 4, when there were leaks and stuff, Sak still held some characters back, I don't think he cares.

--

...Since someone else brought up Waluigi, he's interesting to me 'cause he'd for sure be one of the first reveals and prolly heavy in the marketing, but I think he'd be unlockable regardless. Especially if Luigi's unlockable again (likely), I don't think they'd let you play Waluigi first. Can't think of many other characters in that position. Even if Luigi isn't though, I could see Waluigi inheriting that status.

Just want to quickly say that I PRAY Smash Bros. doesn't ever drop the concept of unlockable characters. Just saying, some of us still enjoy the reward system, and the series is already losing a bit of its replayable side content as it is for me.

On the subject of potential third party newcomers, would you all rather see Nintendo expand on Smash’s current direction as a “celebration of gaming” and include more popular game characters from around the world and branch out from being mostly Japan focused? Would you rather see Smash return to its roots as a big Nintendo crossover with a few guests sprinkled in here and there? Are you generally happy with how Smash is currently handling things in regards to newcomers and prefer it stay Japan focused but include guests mostly from Japanese developers?

Personally? I'd like Nintendo to return to its roots as a big Nintendo crossover with some guests sprinkled in. Heaven knows it'd be the only chance I'd have of Smash Bros. adding more retro/obscure/niche characters from their own catalog into the games...

Realistically? I'm cool with what they're currently doing.

EDIT: Unrelated, but the Nintendo Music App just added Wave Race 64 to its list. I don't know anything about Wave Race, so I'll just say the list also includes alternate versions of Sunny Beach and Southern Island labeled (1997 ver.), which I assume has something to do with its PAL release, but I have no clue since the most exposure to Wave Race I've had is collecting Blue Storm in Pikmin 4 lmao

If I remember correctly, Wave Race 64 had a 'Super edition' version released in Japan only, similar to Super Mario 64, where a bit of the game's OST had remade tracks (hence the '1997 ver.' marker you mentioned).

 

[Kirbeh]

You know, thinking about the talk with 2B(Square-Enix), Aigis(Sega) and KOS-MOS(Namco) and how Nintendo has Pyra & Mythra, it surprises me that Capcom doesn't have a main character of that notable archetype. Sure, Capcom has female robots, especially in regards to Megaman, though none of them got anywhere near the focus the main leads get. And Vanessa Schneider from P.N.03 is not confirmed to be a robot/android/etc.

So yeah, kinda surprising. And maybe to some people's relief, considering we already have a ton of Capcom characters people want in Smash Bros. Wouldn't want a new popular Capcom character to suddenly appear and take away Bomb Man's chances.

I'd happily take Roll or Marino but they're definitely not getting in over X or Zero. If we did get X/Zero, maybe they could pull an X8 and include Alia and Layer as costumes. As for Vanessa, I believe it's implied she's a clone iirc, but I'm pretty sure she's still human. More to the point, she's a long shot if there ever was one. Most people don't know what P.N.03 is and Capcom likely doesn't have much interest in it (if they even remember it themselves).

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

If Naomi Moriha isn't ever playable in Smash Bros., maybe a Jet Impulse stage could work? Imagine fighting on fast-moving fighter jets in the middle of a dogfight.

Orbital Gate Assault is crying right now, I'm sure

 

[Ivander]

I'd happily take Roll or Marino but they're definitely not getting in over X or Zero. If we did get X/Zero, maybe they could pull an X8 and include Alia and Layer as costumes. As for Vanessa, I believe it's implied she's a clone iirc, but I'm pretty sure she's still human. More to the point, she's a long shot if there ever was one. Most people don't know what P.N.03 is and Capcom likely doesn't have much interest in it (if they even remember it themselves).

If Roll were to ever have a chance, it'd be as a Megaman Echo, similar to her MvC appearance. Although maybe her specials replaced with some of the custom Specials from Smash 4. Oh, and before someone mentions that she has never played the same as Megaman in any of the Mega Man games she's playable in(like Megaman Powered Up for PSP), yes she has. Specifically in a Japanese-only Megaman 1 mobile port released in 2008.

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Yeah, Vanessa is a clone, though for some reason, a couple sites have her listed as a robot character, despite it never being confirmed if she is a human or robot, just that she is a clone. Anyway, the closest anything P.N.03-related was given was a MvC3 Jill color scheme being based on Vanessa.

 

[Idon]

Unlocking characters is all fine and good.

Unlocking the entire ****ing roster was the biggest load of bull**** time-wasting I think I've seen in any fighting game ever. As someone who's had to do that more than once, the reality of how stupid it actually is sets in pretty damn fast.